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but i revoted him?In post 186, skitter30 wrote:@firebringer - this post is where the you/dunn thing comes from
if he's scum you basically took the oppurtunity to hop off and prevent him from being at l-1Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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really? because when i pushed him on it he basically confirmed it was mostly made up read.In post 189, skitter30 wrote:
that's the post i'm townreading him for; don't think scum actually push the boldedIn post 176, OkaPoka wrote:In post 115, TemporalLich wrote:You posted the same "I'm town" post twice, once in pregame and once in D1.
You're clearly scum trying to fool the town into thinking you're town, the second post seems to be for those that didn't see your first post.
The same content in the two posts makes it not even seem like you're trying to be genuine.
why did it take you so long to vote him for this post?Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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In post 195, OkaPoka wrote:
whats hard to understandIn post 194, skitter30 wrote:i think his read was fine for that stage of the game
i don't understand ur scumread on him reallyIn post 196, skitter30 wrote:The fact that i think his read was fine for that stage of the game and that yours feels fabrocated
oka feels townie in thisIn post 197, OkaPoka wrote:it doesnt seem like you dont understand my scumread
sounds like you disagree with meShow"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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and ur not gonna try to understand because....?In post 198, skitter30 wrote:Ok i disagree with you that this is a good reason to scumread him and don't understand why you're reading him this wayShow"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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I think that genuinely reading someone as scum for those two posts is more reasonable than genuinely reading someone as scum for scumreading someone for those two posts.In post 199, OkaPoka wrote:In post 17, Dunnstral wrote:Hey guys, glad to be a member of the town once again
attacking someone over these two posts and being serious about scumreading it is a fabricated readIn post 86, Dunnstral wrote:Hey guys, glad to be a member of the town once again
About the only potentially town-sided explanation I can see is Dunnstral intentionally doing something mildly scummy to spark discussion (and one of those posts would likely have been enough for that).scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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Yes it is.
Can you go a little deeper into this? The only reason I can think of to feel this way is you think scum would have stopped the wagon, but in a micro he likely only has one buddy so an all town wagon isn't out of the question. Or you think scum must have been on the wagon, but for some reason wouldn't be willing to vote their buddy in that spot. So let me ask you this. Why does the wagon tell you more about Dunn than those who voted him and who on the wagon is most likely to be scum?In post 120, skitter30 wrote:Dunn wagon was kinda fast, i'm not sure scum get to l-1 this fast this early in a micro
I see from post 123 now you're going with the resistance thing. How much resistance can really be expected if Dunn as scum only has one buddy, maybe two but most likely not? Especially if his buddy wasn't around. Ugh, I type that out and see callforjudgement beat me to that point. I'll leave in in my post anyway and my questions in the above paragraph still stand. Im also curious what you think of the timing of firebringers (why did my phone auto correct to fire fingers?) vote on you and whether you'd consider that to be resistance.
This is why I shouldn't fall behind. Firebringers vote on dunn kind of makes Dunn/firebringer unlikely. I wasn't really leaning that way, but skitter's opinion on it would have helped.
Why?skitter wrote: Hot take:temporal lich is town
What changed from 127 to 133 and why not vote there?oka wrote: im reaching the opposite conclusion
I'm through page 6 and my phone's being dumb so may or may not finish reading now. Gonna hit submit though just in case3-2 as scum and 5-8 as town
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The don't vote someone who got prodded post caught my attention and then the Dunn vote and some stuff after it felt off. First of all, voting someone to saying they are town is kinda weird. What's he supposed to say? He's scum? I mean yeah I'm not dense, I know it's the way he went out of his way to do it unprompted but to say he did it as an attempt to cook anyone feels either newbish or just looking for a reason to vote the popular wagon and temp doesn't feel newbish. And then he keeps pushing it. It just doesn't feel natural to me.In post 162, skitter30 wrote:
a) why are you voting temp here?In post 158, Sleepless Assassin wrote:24 hour work shifts should be illegal
I'll read what I missed when I wake up
Unvote, Vote Temp
I assume oka got what he needed from the Dunn wagon
b) how are you reading oka?
On oka, I don't really have a strong read yet. There are things that stand out but I can see oka doing them as either alignment. The Dunn vote was either Okatown looking to start a wagon for info and Okascum testing the waters. And then there's his stance on temp that I just asked him about. I think oka will be easier to read later in the game. Although I see temp OMGUS'd oka after you asked me this so if I'm right about temp, oka is likely town. And the more I read oka's posts on temp, the more I'm agreeing with him. So yeah, actually, consider oka a town read for me.
His later posts show at least a basic understanding of the game though. Comments like saying the game is stagnating don't come from people who aren't familiar with mafia.the worst wrote: i thought that post was kinda derptowny personally3-2 as scum and 5-8 as town
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The biggest thing if you're town is just look for people's motivations. Read what they're saying and ask yourself is this person really trying to find mafia (if you see us call them scum it's the same thing) or are they just trying to give off the appearance that they are. When you think someone is scum, vote them, see how they react, and continue to think critically. Keep an open mind.In post 212, SweetNSassy wrote:I need tips to this game any advice?
Another thing you can do, and I don't think I'd recommend this once you get the hang of things on your own, is pick someone you think is town and seems to really know what they are doing, and just follow their lead. But if you do that, keep in mind that the person you are following could easily be scum manipulating you. So be careful with that.
Ask specific questions. If something stands out to you or confuses you, don't be afraid to ask. Your alignment (meaning which side you are on) will become more clear as you post more which can only help if you are town. So post often, openly, and genuinely. You should have nothing to be afraid of doing so unless you are mafia.
Try to develop an opinion on everyone as far as whether they are town or scum and make that opinion clear and make your reasons clear. Be willing to admit you are wrong at times and it's ok if your read changes as long as it's for a good reason.
If you're mafia, sorry but I'm not helping you
Have you read the game in full? If not, please do and get back to me. If so, what is your read on temp? What about anyone else? Does anyone stand out to you more than anyone else?3-2 as scum and 5-8 as town
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ehhh he always feels like scum to me so i kind of want to say townIn post 211, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Firebringer what is your read on temp?Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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townShow"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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Can you elaborate and/or give a case on Oka being town?In post 218, Firebringer wrote:towntime will end-
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VOTE: the worstIn post 220, OkaPoka wrote:the_worst do you actually scumread me or?
#215 feels really off to me. In this situation, if OkaPoka is town, I'd expect scum who are on the wagon to be sitting on it in the hope that town hammers or forces a claim. (We don't have enough information yet to shake the "town outnumbers scum, so any particular player is more likely to be town than scum" assumption that applies in the early game.) the worst joined the OkaPoka wagon with no stated reasoning (#169), and is definitely sitting on it – and yet posting a popcorn emote, while it draws attention to the fact that that's what the worst is doing (both due to its content and due to the simple fact that it's a post), doesn't seem to have much town motivation behind it (why not either unvote, try to information-gather, or try to push if it's a strong read?). For what it's worth, the worst's play isalsosomewhat consistent with a bus, probably of the "intentionally failed bus" variety.
OkaPoka seems to have something of a parallel thought process on this, which IMO increases the chance he's town (although not by as much as if the wagon was on someone else, as players tend to be more sensitive to their own wagons).scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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i actually forgot that happened, my bad, sorryIn post 202, Firebringer wrote:
but i revoted him?In post 186, skitter30 wrote:@firebringer - this post is where the you/dunn thing comes from
if he's scum you basically took the oppurtunity to hop off and prevent him from being at l-1ShowHiatus once more.
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ok, where did this happen?In post 203, Firebringer wrote:really? because when i pushed him on it he basically confirmed it was mostly made up read.ShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
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