BLOODBORNE MAFIA - GAME OVER

[Almost50]

@Mixed & RI:

when "the four of" you guys have settled on either of the slots, one could easily switch their vote to the other so we won't end up in a tie.

[Reasonably Irrational]

Re: this HUNTMASTER voting, I'd prefer every candidate to announce their intended team formation if you want my vote. I'm still behind Cerb bc he's obv.towning the most + his mechanical bla bla (whatever that is), but I don't like him taking ABR along with him. If someone else has a better formation (including themselves being obv.town) I would consider switching my vote.

RI, Mixed, R&L and GW are all confirmed townies to me.

Ranger & KC are strong town leans, while H&M, D&D and Zulfy are mild town leans.

Everyone else is between null-town and a strong scum read.

OK, done! *Sigh of relief*

HUNTMASTER VOTE: Mixed

vote: Bogre

Please explain the progression of your Mixed6 read.

-Cerb

[Shinobi]

I'm okay with Bogre being lynched.

[Shinobi]

I'm also kinda confused why any of the three hydras care about who's going to be huntsmaster?
You're all going to end up in the hunting party together regardless so why is it even relevant?

[Sensei]

VOTE: Bogre

Think that's L2.

[Toogeloo]

People are putting WAY too much thought into the way a Huntsman needs to be elected.

Success of a Chalice Dungeon is great and all, but Failure can also help us in some manner as well. Truth be told though, we have no idea what the Dungeons even do, the rewards they give, and the causes of success and failure. From a purely game perspective, 4 players in Pthumeru Depth 1 is overkill, and I highly doubt it fails regardless, but again, without knowing the specifics of how Chalice Dungeons work from a Mafia perspective, I don't think overthinking who goes and who's Huntsman based on leadership skills and their ability to town/scum read players should be that important.

Let's put it this way, say you are scum and in the Huntsman's party. Don't you think you would get more benefit from helping it succeed anyways since A) all players in the Hunting Party get rewards for completion, and B) it helps make you look more townie as a result as well?

Simply put, the Huntsman Mechanic is certainly not going to help us by choosing who we think is town because everyone is trying to look town, and scum probably even more so just so they can get in on the Hunt. The fact that people can self vote for Huntsman doesn't really do any favors either.

[Toogeloo]

Updated Reads List:

T - Rylai and Lina, Shadow_Step, Randomidget, Almost50
L/T - Mixed6, Shinobi, Daenerys and Dragons
N/T - Ranger, Klingoncelt, Zulfy, Nahdia
N - PeregrineV, Xkyfu, Heuristic_Arrow, Hastur and Muriel
L/S - Gee Willikers, Sensei
S - Bogre, Reasonably Irrational, Liger_Zero

[Shinobi]

L-2 is fine - wait for either a replacement or a claim.

[Toogeloo]

Let's put it this way, say you are scum and in the Huntsman's party. Don't you think you would get more benefit from helping it succeed anyways since A) all players in the Hunting Party get rewards for completion, and B) it helps make you look more townie as a result as well?

This is also why I want R&L as Huntsman. They are far more transparent than most the other candidates, and I think their Hunting Party picks will also be generally good candidates that will help us figure out the Mechanic more instead of just a bunch of Alphas.

[Mixed6]

Will discuss something I noticed with Albert B. Rampage before we see a hammer, but I'm prepared for the flip of Bogre if he is today's lynch.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Almost50]

Please explain the progression of your Mixed6 read.

Not today. Just trust me on -at least- my top 4 town reads for now.

[Mixed6]

UNVOTE:

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Reasonably Irrational]

I'm also kinda confused why any of the three hydras care about who's going to be huntsmaster?
You're all going to end up in the hunting party together regardless so why is it even relevant?

R&L isn't going to end up in my party. I *doubt* they'll end up in Mixed6's, but I could be wrong.

Toogeloo: How have they been more transparent than anyone else? I said I have a mechanical reason for it. Mixed6 just says they're the best choice for it. R&L just said "they have a plan that guarantees a town win".

-Cerb

[Reasonably Irrational]

Please explain the progression of your Mixed6 read.

Not today. Just trust me on -at least- my top 4 town reads for now.

There's a clear contradiction there. You disliked Mixed6 strongly enough to prefer R&L over me, your top townread at the time, but you forgot that they were the reason for that choice. As far as I can tell, no major statements were made about them over the intervening 1500 posts or whatever, and they have suddenly become strongly town.

There is no "not today".

A lynch isn't happening until you explain yourself.

-Cerb

[Toogeloo]

Toogeloo: How have they been more transparent than anyone else?

I'm referring to their slot being more transparent in general. Frozen wears her heart on her sleeve, making her less deceptive in general when it comes to motivations.

[Reasonably Irrational]

Toogeloo: How have they been more transparent than anyone else?

I'm referring to their slot being more transparent in general. Frozen wears her heart on her sleeve, making her less deceptive in general when it comes to motivations.

...

Have you ever played with scum frozen?

-Cerb

[Toogeloo]

Honestly, the Hunting Party should be such a low priority for discussion for Day 1, but it feels like everyone is trying to hunt through it more so than the lynch. Let the first Hunt Party figure out the specifics of the Hunt first, and then we can be better informed on the best way to go about electing Huntmasters and Party Members.

I'm almost inclined to say we should all just revote Kling as Huntmaster again until the specifics are revealed.

Honestly, unless RI wants to specifically out that his role somehow empowers the Hunt, then there's no reason to believe that his role is specifically Huntmaster related over anyone else. My role flavor suggests I would make an amazing Hunting Party member, but I have zero interest in campaigning for that at the moment (and I'm not concerned about sharing that info because I'm not going anywhere for at least a full cycle anyways).


PEDIT: Yes, they were scum in one game with me, and yes, I am fully aware that she is emotional regardless of alignment, but there are certain nuances that can't be faked, and thus far she hasn't tripped any suspicion and only strengthened my town read.

[Reasonably Irrational]

Umm. There's little to be informed about? I asked the moderator how the whole hunt thing functions before game start. And now you're weakening that transparency thing. What exactly is so transparent about her if she is the same way regardless of alignment.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Irrational]

What do you think we could possibly learn beyond what's in the mechanics of the game? We know the master chooses whether to proceed or withdraw, we know the dungeon is detrimental to those who enter, we know failure has a small reward, success has a larger reward, and rhe huntmaster gets the largest reward for success, and that the boss encounters victory or failure is determined through garnering votes.

-Cerb

[Rylai and Lina]

Are you suggesting that I'm not a good huntmater or a good candidate for party as I am a real manipulative scum player RI ?

really?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

huntmaster : Mixed6

I asked more than 10 times from you to explain your read or thoughts about me and your dodging that question again and again ...

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

that was @RI

and wagur is just shit posting to get more supports on his friends which is pissing me off tbh.

I can choose a town block and I'm capable of leading one. I won't let RI to take that position over Mixed6 never.

~Rylai

[Reasonably Irrational]

I also had a theory that the A50/Toogeloo/Shadow_step votes represented a rebellion against the forming town bloc by those who have been excluded from it.

A50 and shadow_step both said they'd be willing to vote for one of the two of us as well, but for some reason they ended up voting for R&L and propping that particular wagon up to compete with ours, rather than propelling anyone into a clear lead.

It's something I'd do super deliberately to see how people reacted, but I somehow doubt that's why they did it.

A50: Why did you vote R&L over me again, for huntmaster?

R&L: Anything less than an incredibly strong town read I will not be voting for as huntmaster. You're null, and that's because I'm rebelling against a desire to scum read you solely because of the composition of your support(as GW just mentioned). You're quite far from town. What makes you think I town read you? What have you EVER done in this game that I've expressed approval of or agreement with?

-Cerb

pedit: But, I agree with it? Obviously he implied a greater degree of certainty than you can have, but he said the same thing i've been saying, only in absolute terms.

[Reasonably Irrational]

Are you suggesting that I'm not a good huntmater or a good candidate for party as I am a real manipulative scum player RI ?

really?

~Rylai

You're a bad huntmaster because I don't trust your able to select town for your party, and I don't have any reason to think you're town.

huntmaster : Mixed6

I asked more than 10 times from you to explain your read or thoughts about me and your dodging that question again and again ...

~Rylai

What else do you want me to say beyond what I said in the bolded part of that quote?

-Cerb

[Varsoon]

Several enemies in Bloodborne react uniquely to fire.
The three most effective uses I've found are;
1. The monsters in Old Yharnam cower in front of a flame.
2. The nightmare beasts that explode into centipede monsters will not do so if you defeat them with fire.
3. Beasts typically take much more damage from fire. Molotovs are always worth carrying around.