Mini 1517 - Game Over - The Sun Sets on Duskville


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Post Post #2225 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:38 pm

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1 Mafia 1-Shot Ninja
1 Mafia 1-Shot Rolestopper
1 Mafia Encryptor

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Post Post #2226 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:46 pm

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GG wp.
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Post Post #2227 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:47 pm

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Most of my thoughts are logged in the Moderator/Dead QTs.

Here's my original conception of this setup's core idea, as quoted from the review QT:
The Mafia 1-Shot Rolestopper cannot kill and rolestop in the same Night. As far as I can tell, there are no confusing interactions between the Rolestopper and the Roleblocker because of this.
If the Weak Doctor targets a Mafia member, but is roleblocked or rolestopped, then the Weak Doctor will not die.
The Mafia 1-Shot Ninja is a complete red herring, and affects nothing in the game.
The core idea behind this setup is to have somewhat unusual power roles who have a chance to interfere with each other. The Weak Doctor is less powerful than a Cop, in that the results are less trustworthy; I believe that a competent Weak Doctor will realize this, especially if the Roleblocker or Rolestopper flip. The compensation for this reduction in investigative power is that the Mafia have no counter to the protection ability other than attempting to kill the Weak Doctor. The Roleblocker's power is limited in comparison, but does gain significant usefulness in the event that only 1 Mafia member remains.

The Encryptor doesn't really play into this dynamic, but it does give the Mafia a boost in the day game, since their night game is relatively weak.
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Post Post #2228 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:50 pm

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Congratulations to the scum team. This is the first game in history that I have voted wrong in a MyLo/LyLo.

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Post Post #2229 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:53 pm

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I'm confused. The two town players voted first in mylo? Why'd it take scum so long to end it?
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nk bastion cos he is never being lynched imo.


I don't honestly think Sir Bastion is a PR, he's too outspoken for it. But he's also a pain in the ass.
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Post Post #2230 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:56 pm

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There's nothing wrong with being cautious in endgame.
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Post Post #2231 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:58 pm

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Oh my fucking god

I cannot fucking believe this on any level.

I told you all it was Nacho. No one believed me. I told you all it was Mindgamer. No one believed me.

This game was a clusterfuck.

Thank you for modding and for a balanced setup where I at least feel like my faction had a chance before it was fucked over.
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Post Post #2232 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:00 pm

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Let's avoid each other in the future, Lord Mhork.
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Post Post #2233 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:02 pm

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And this is precisely why

A) Meta is absolute shit. Players who rely on this are bad and should feel very bad.
B) Never give fucking passes to good players. Treat them like they can be scum BECAUSE THEY CAN. I don't care how fucking good at scum they are.
C) No one is super awesome and no one should try to one man show the game. Mafia. Is. A. Team. Game. Don't bitch at getting mislynched a lot and not play. Don't bitch and demand a lynch and not do anything to contribute.

God damnit. I didn't wanna get lynched by fucking Mindgamer scum. Have some fucking pride man. Your end vote on me was so transparent I'm surprised no one saw through their confbiasing.

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Post Post #2234 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:03 pm

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Well I think it's clear after this and the last game that me and abr should avoid each other. :)


Or will it be third time the charm?
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Post Post #2235 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:06 pm

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maybe if you stop voting me lol
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Post Post #2236 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:07 pm

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Oh yeah. ABR. You also need to try working with the town. It's your job. Town isn't there to listen to you whine and follow every order you give. That's not the game. Try making a case once or twice. It'll do you some good.
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Post Post #2237 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:10 pm

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Lord Mhork I don't think you're in any position to give any sort of advice. You did the town a great disservice in this game.
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Post Post #2238 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:12 pm

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What the fuck?

How, ABR? How? Please get up on your pedestal and teach me the ways of destroying town spirits and bitching and distracting the town and how that is optimal town play.

I am DYING to fucking know how that translates.
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Post Post #2239 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:12 pm

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I had pegged 3/4 of the scum by end of Day 2 and PM'd the mod about it. My reads are good. I just need time. Lord Mhork your reads were bad, and you got lynched. You weren't able to even lynch mindgamer.
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Post Post #2240 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:14 pm

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I think you were the only one who was so butthurt about my lynch rate and kept moaning about it when everybody else didn't think too deep into it. Anyway, you're not a good player, feel free to avoid me if you want.
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Post Post #2241 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:15 pm

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You know why? Because I didn't care?

Why didn't I care? Because you bitched your way through the first days and I got tired of it. I stopped caring. I stopped being attentive. It wasn't fun.

There is more than 'OMG MY READS WERE RIGHT GUYS' in the post game. If you're so fucking good at the game, talk to the fucking town and convince them. As it is, you're just as bad or worse than me because you were mislynched with such spot on reads.

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Post Post #2242 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:19 pm

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You should have asked for a replacement a long time ago because you lost all objectivity in the game. You didn't vote for scum until you were about to be lynched for the lose lol. You have no understanding of mafia and I don't want to ever see your username in one of my games again. You sound extremely butthurt with your comments "I don't care about losing this game because ABR ruined it for me a long time ago" go get a life. Who calls themselves a "Lord" anyway you have a huge ego and come across as immature. Grow up please. Goodbye.
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Post Post #2243 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:21 pm

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ABR PM'd me FakeGod, Thor, and Mindgamer, which is pretty good.
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Post Post #2244 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:22 pm

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And my 4th was Nachomamma :)
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Post Post #2245 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:23 pm

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Oh yeah, I told you FG was Town and Nacho was your next guess.

Mhork, you should rage less. Just sayin'.
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Post Post #2246 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:25 pm

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Also, let's keep post-game insults to a minimum please.
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Post Post #2247 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:34 pm

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A) because it's easier, I do not call myself Lord for an ego trip. You cannot possibly think that. Anyone who has spent any time with me knows that I have 0 ego. At all. It's one of my biggest weaknesses at mafia and I'm trying to correct it. I have difficulty standing up to/dealing with aggressive personalities, especially the arrogant ones, and also towns who townread people for meta reasons and dismiss my scum reads as wrong.

B) I have excellent understanding of mafia. Brilliant understanding. I understood the fact that bulletproof made no sense. I understood the fact that scum really obviously had more than just an encryptor. I understand theory very well. I also understand the social dynamics but--guess what---they're harder in practice. Don't you dare try to tell me that I don't understand mafia. And it is disgustingly arrogant for you to tell me not to be in one of your games again. I mean I would rather never have the displeasure of interacting with you in a mafia setting again, but I'll play any game I damn well please.

C) Replacements ruin games. I kept trying to get back into the swing but it really wasn't happening. Not until the end at least. Yeah I should have played better. It's true. You too should have played better. And instead of saying what I did was wrong, maybe you could look at your own issues and work on those. Yeah I might have only voted scum at the end. That's mafia. I made some bad calls. However you had 'perfect' reads and got mislynched really early. Honesty who is the worse player in that case?

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Post Post #2248 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:38 pm

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It was between me and Sir Bastion to get lynched. I knew that SB was town, and he had better credibility in the game due in large part to players like you who refused to give my alignment a second thought. This is on you. Don't make excuses. It's pathetic.
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Post Post #2249 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:42 pm

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Hah. I found a better rant buddy elsewhere.

The point here is that you need to learn to play better. If you're getting constantly mislynched, it's on you. Mafia is and always will be a team game. You cannot dictate the way things go. Don't try to pretend that you meant to die.

And there is no way this is all my fault. This loss belongs to all of the town. We all lead to it in our own ways.
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