ns' crumbs weren't subtle. any scum actually paying attention would have recognized his sakihydra read for exactly what it was. i found them in like 30 seconds of iso'ing him when he died.In post 2164, Juls wrote:Unvote, Vote: Feu
If that isn't some damning evidence against Feu Then I don't know how to play this game anymore.
Sugoku is next.
In post 2169, Juls wrote:You guys should have killed me...that's a bad slip.
:barf::barf::barf:In post 2172, Juls wrote:Stalling...
In post 2184, Feu et Vol wrote:perpetual nonsense is saying things about desp that are making me paranoid about that claim too.
exactlyIn post 2192, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:(though ftr I feel it is horribly dumb if PN/Fue was scum and actually killed NS because he was a mason since he presented no threat plus they would receive major suspicion from a move that earned them... what a dead confirmed townie that presented no threat? Might be WIFOM but meh)
her conviction is based on a bunch of bullshit and her lynch would likely lead to a jason lynch tomorrow (think nacho >>> magenta in tales)In post 2199, pieguyn wrote:oh also: I can't find any scum motivation for scum Juls to request a 1v1 like she's doing here. given the current gamestate, it's p obvious in a Feu v. Juls 1v1, Juls would lose. it doesn't make much sense as scum to request a 1v1 you can't win, and again, I love her conviction.
so when you're scum you look for crumbsIn post 2213, Juls wrote:Fuck yeah I am concerned. He was a fucking town mason who was barely playing nod got night killed. I am also town so yeah, it concerns me. There is only one reason for his night kill and that is scum knew. I was wrong about NS. Wasn't the first time I have voted a town person, won't be the last. See, it's called scum hunting. You should try it some time.
While this could be non alignment-indicative, I thought that her emphasis on developing reads and frustration that she can't develop them because of the hydras felt genuine, like she wanted to keep track of everyone so she could read us all.In post 329, Juls wrote:It's not about being included, it's about being annoyed because I can't form reads when hydras are talking about each other and then other hydras referring to them by their heads names. I don't like to replace out but this game is going to be real difficult for me to follow. Everyone seems to know each other and that's great, but I don't know most of you, I don't know what side-games you are talking about and it's not something I am enjoying at the moment.In post 312, helium-3 wrote:if you replace out (especially when efforts have been made to try to include you) we will have to decide whether or not that you genuinely feel excluded (and I do not know what else to do to get you to feel included but vote you) or if you are throwing your hands up in the air cos your scummates are [redacted].In post 303, Juls wrote:I'm seriously thinking about replacing out. Everyone seems to know the heads of the hydras and it's all very confusing to me. I have to keep looking at the main post. Like who the hell is pie? And talking about the other head of your hydras is making me confused too.
The suspicion of Helium felt genuine and the focus on lynching someone else after she is lynched and flipped town comes across as a mild towntell. I guess it is possible she as scum is flustered at letting her team down but the "I did a stupid thing" felt genuine and not like she is trying to cover up anything or make herself look good.In post 443, Juls wrote:Look guys, I am not saying I don't get why you saw my flip-flop as scummy, I do. I am pretty resigned to my lynch and that's fine. It will be a lesson I learn and play better next time. I don't find myself under suspicion very often in the game of mafia as either alignment but when everyone piles on I get a little flustered. Especially when I am town and my only defense is, I did something dumb. I will be at work all day then have somewhere to go after. I will post from my phone but won't be able to respond with a word count that is probably sufficient enough for you until probably late tonight or early tomorrow.
That being said, when I do get lynched! please look at who is being the most opportunistic and that is helium
Other things to address
@Skrew - why would I need to crumb from the get go as a neighbor? People I neighborize will confirm that ability. I crumbed more to explain my vote than to confirm my role.
@helium - I keep this line of communication open to show how ridiculous of an argument you are making so let me talk real slow for you ( well read it real slow ok?). I am Juls. I joined back in 2008. My husband is Moratorium. He also joined back in 2008. The hydra, Julatorium was created in May of 2014. I don't "not understand" hydras. I generally do not like playing with them unless the present themselves as one person with the occasional "hydra head A thinks this". In this game, people are addressing questions and talking to hydra heads specifically. They are also posting on their mains. Not all but some. The fact there are like 6 hydras in this game are compounding the problem.
The emphasis on players both on and off her wagon feels like paranoid town that is afraid that scum are whiteknighting her for the cred. I feel that scum don't usually attack players defending them as to not antagonize them unless they are playing at a very high level. I liked that Juls was paranoid, she was certainly paranoid of us, felt that we were scum with Slandaar, and once Slandaar flipped, thought that she was legitimately onto something. The one thing that concerned me though was the bolded in light of her suspicion on us now. It is clear that we struggled to read her which she characterizes as flipping reads through convenience but it could just be confbias.In post 908, Juls wrote:I have fought. But people keep voting me so I will keep fighting right up until you do lynch me. It will be YOUR (collective town) responsibility to go back through the day and see the disingenuous people pushing me. Pay close attention to those who are defending me as well becausethere is likely at least one scum in that bunch who doesn't want to touch my wagon with a ten foot pole. It will likely be the ones who believed me beyond a shadow of a doubt, not the ones who have struggled to read me.I have admitted that I can see where people thought I was scummy. I have no delusions that I will make it very late in this game. In fact, I strongly suggest not keeping me around longer than maybe 3 days max so we don't have to revisit questions surrounding my day one play and lose. The "when" you lynch me doesn't necessarily only apply to today.
Three things I liked about this post:In post 921, Juls wrote:The more people talk, the more information town will have when I get lynched.
It's clear I don't fit in with this group. I don't know if that is due to scum jumping on me and riding me or if it's just personality conflict. Either way, I think my presence is hurting town. Therefore, if I am not lynched, I will choose my target and then replace out during the night.
In post 923, Juls wrote:Fuck, even my decision to replace out is argued over. I thought it would be better to pick someone so that they didn't have to make a snap decision without getting fully caught up. I'm trying to have as little impact on the flow of the game as possible.
These two posts concerning the replace out also felt genuine.In post 925, Juls wrote:I've let Zach know my intentions and asked to have someone start reading up. If I don't get lynched and he has a replacement who is ready to go when night gets here they can pick their target.
if jason is town this is the juiceist mislynch opportunity to ever grace a mafia team and it never materialized. why?In post 1681, Zachrulez wrote:2nd vote count of day 2:
jasonT1981 (4): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,Speedy Saki, Nobody Special
Speedy Saki (2): jasonT1981,Slice of Life
Slandaar (1): Desperado
Not Voting (8): Oversoul, Juls, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne,Slandaar,Hoopla, Perpetual Nonsense, SleepyKrew
In post 1726, Zachrulez wrote:4th vote count of day 2:
jasonT1981 (5): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,Speedy Saki, Nobody Special,SleepyKrew
Speedy Saki(3): jasonT1981,Slice of Life, Perpetual Nonsense
Slandaar(2): Desperado,Hoopla
Not Voting (5): Juls, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne,Slandaar, Oversoul
In post 1759, Zachrulez wrote:5th vote count of day 2:
jasonT1981 (5): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,Speedy Saki, Nobody Special, SleepyKrew
Slandaar(4): Desperado,Hoopla, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne
Speedy Saki(3): jasonT1981,Slice of Life, Perpetual Nonsense
Not Voting (3): Juls,Slandaar, Oversoul
In post 1775, Zachrulez wrote:6th vote count of day 2:
Slandaar(5): Desperado,Hoopla, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Juls
jasonT1981 (5): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,Speedy Saki, Nobody Special, SleepyKrew
Speedy Saki(3): jasonT1981,Slice of Life, Perpetual Nonsense
Not Voting (2):Slandaar, Oversoul
In post 1814, Zachrulez wrote:7th vote count of day 2:
Slandaar(6):Hoopla, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Juls, Desperado, Oversoul
jasonT1981 (5): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,Speedy Saki, Nobody Special,SleepyKrew
Speedy Saki(2): jasonT1981,Slice of Life
Not Voting (2): Perpetual Nonsense,Slandaar
In post 1882, Zachrulez wrote:9th vote count of day 2:
Slandaar(6):Hoopla, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Desperado, Oversoul,Nobody Special
jasonT1981 (4): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,Speedy Saki,SleepyKrew
Speedy Saki(2): jasonT1981,Slice of Life
Nobody Special(1): Juls
Not Voting (2): Perpetual Nonsense,Slandaar
In post 1900, Zachrulez wrote:10th vote count of day 2:
Slandaar(7):Hoopla, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Desperado, Oversoul,Nobody Special, Perpetual Nonsense
jasonT1981 (3): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,Speedy Saki
Speedy Saki (2): jasonT1981,Slice of Life
Nobody Special (1): Juls
Not Voting (2): SleepyKrew,Slandaar
In post 1925, Zachrulez wrote:11th vote count of day 2:
Slandaar(6):Hoopla, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Oversoul,Nobody Special, Perpetual Nonsense
jasonT1981 (3): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,Speedy Saki
Speedy Saki (2): jasonT1981,Slice of Life
Nobody Special (1): Juls
Not Voting (3):Slandaar, SleepyKrew, Desperado
In post 2026, Zachrulez wrote:13th vote count of day 2:
Slandaar(7):Hoopla, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Oversoul,Nobody Special, Perpetual Nonsense, SleepyKrew
jasonT1981 (3): Feu et Vol, Sugoku Sugoi,Speedy Saki
Speedy Saki(2): jasonT1981,Slice of Life
Nobody Special(1): Juls
Not Voting (2):Slandaar, Desperado
there is no way in hell a sogoku/feu/slandaar/??? team fumbles this situation this badly. none.In post 2039, Zachrulez wrote:Final vote count of day 2:
Slandaar(8):Hoopla, helium-3, Ser Arthur Dayne, Oversoul,Nobody Special, Perpetual Nonsense, SleepyKrew, Sugoku Sugoi
Speedy Saki (2): jasonT1981,Slice of Life
jasonT1981 (2): Feu et Vol,Speedy Saki
Nobody Special(1): Juls
Not Voting (2):Slandaar, Desperado
desp claimed encryptor so why would he need to hint to his buddies in thread?In post 2118, jasonT1981 wrote:Desp Desps 2104 seems weird to me... its like he is announcing confirmed towns to scum, helping identify confirmed town so they can take out confirmed towns and leave non confirmed for lynches hoping for mislynches.
because i don't think the scum planned on bussing slandaar from the beginning. i think they didn't know how to handle competing scum wagons on jason and slandaar so they sat back until they decided to bus slandaar.In post 2267, Sugoku Sugoi wrote:@desp: I like your post and agree with just about all of it but I'm confused as to what the conclusion is. while I think it's likely both the jason and Slan wagons were on scum, even if jason is town, his wagon not being run up makes sense if scum had planned to bus slandaar from the start. although I don't think that's the case given there wasn't much of a push on him D1 iirc
who do you think the scum who bussed SKrew were? overall I think SKrew's push makes a lot of sense as a bus. he was pushing jason as a counterwagon and didn't make any push on Slan at all until he was at L-2 and it feels like scum abandoning ship. (his push on jason might also make sense as a bus given he still hasn't made that case he was talking about, but that's for later)
In post 1335, Zachrulez wrote:20th Vote Count of Day 1
Not_Mafia(6): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,Imperium,Speedy Saki,SleepyKrew,shos
SaintKerrigan(4): Oversoul, Desperado, Juls,Hoopla
shos(3): Perpetual Nonsense,Slandaar, helium-3
Juls (1): Feu et Vol
Speedy Saki(1): jasonT1981
Oversoul (1):Slice of Life
Not Voting (3):Not_Mafia,Nobody Special,SaintKerrigan
In post 1350, Zachrulez wrote:21st Vote Count of Day 1
Not_Mafia(7): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,Imperium,Speedy Saki, SleepyKrew,shos, Juls
shos(4): Perpetual Nonsense,Slandaar, helium-3,Not_Mafia
SaintKerrigan(3): Oversoul, Desperado,Hoopla
Oversoul (1):Slice of Life
Juls (1): Feu et Vol
Speedy Saki(1): jasonT1981
Not Voting (2):Nobody Special,SaintKerrigan
In post 1376, Zachrulez wrote:22nd Vote Count of Day 1
shos(6): Perpetual Nonsense,Slandaar, helium-3,Not_Mafia,Hoopla, jasonT1981
Not_Mafia(5): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,Imperium,Speedy Saki, SleepyKrew
SaintKerrigan(2): Oversoul, Desperado
Oversoul (1):Slice of Life
Juls (1): Feu et Vol
jasonT1981 (1):shos
Not Voting (3): Juls,Nobody Special,SaintKerrigan
In post 1403, Zachrulez wrote:23rd Vote Count of Day 1
shos(8): Perpetual Nonsense,Slandaar, helium-3,Not_Mafia,Hoopla, jasonT1981, SleepyKrew, Juls
Not_Mafia(4): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne,Imperium,Speedy Saki
SaintKerrigan(2): Oversoul, Desperado
Oversoul (1):Slice of Life
Juls (1): Feu et Vol
jasonT1981 (1):shos
Not Voting (2):Nobody Special,SaintKerrigan
In post 1499, Zachrulez wrote:24th Vote Count of Day 1
shos(8): Perpetual Nonsense,Slandaar,Not_Mafia,Hoopla, jasonT1981, SleepyKrew, Juls,Slice of Life
Not_Mafia(4): Ser Arthur Dayne,Imperium,Speedy Saki, Sugoku Sugoi
SaintKerrigan(2): Oversoul, Desperado
Slice of Life(1): helium-3
Juls (1): Feu et Vol
jasonT1981 (1):shos
Not Voting (2):Nobody Special,SaintKerrigan
2 points here:In post 1634, Zachrulez wrote:Final Vote Count of Day 1
shos(10):Slandaar,Not_Mafia,Hoopla, jasonT1981, SleepyKrew, Juls,Slice of Life, Ser Arthur Dayne, Perpetual Nonsense,Speedy Saki
SaintKerrigan(2): Oversoul, Desperado
Not_Mafia(2):Imperium, Sugoku Sugoi
Slice of Life(1): helium-3
Juls (1): Feu et Vol
jasonT1981 (1):shos
Not Voting (2):Nobody Special,SaintKerrigan
it's a possibility, but I think it makes a lot of sense for there to be one scum sitting back and avoiding the giant clusterfuck of wagonsDesperado wrote:i wouldn't necessarily rule out all four scum on the shos wagon, btw. oversoul just makes more sense with the way d2 played out than sad or nonsense.