NY129-Mafia on Werewolf Island! (Game Over)

[Reckamonic]

TL:DR

The only case where Gorilla is town is if it's 4-4-1, unless the RB is town which is freaking unlikely OR the mafia is stoopid.

actually if mafia is stoopid Gorilla is still scum, so nevermind that section!

[Reckamonic]

wait... redirection is not allowed in normal games?

So mafia IS stoopid 0_o

Anyways...

@DemonHybridIs the scum wincon to have majority or to not be able to be taken down?

Not sure he'll answer, but that would play a part in proper play assuming you flip town.

[gorilla]

oh, I messed up that URL. my bad.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 3#p3047783

looking at my list of reads, mastin is probably right about singersinger being the last mafia, no one else makes sense

I wonder if he'll vote her when he's confirmed scum

[ConSpiracy]

Reckamonic, did you read my theory about mafia trying to push us in the direction of a gorilla lynch?
And yes you were supposed to if town.
Gorilla asking to mass-claim certainly does show us there is some kind of roleblocking role in the game.
Redirecting roles are non-normal. They shouldn't be in the game.
Don't forget the two neighbours.
Would a scum neighbour outweigh a rolecop/roleblock? It is unusual.

[ConSpiracy]

And yes you were supposed to if town.

I meant claiming. Sorry, it is late.

[gorilla]

mafia might have thought implosion was actually scum? I literally don't know, it's a strange kill to me. They went and disproved their scumbuddy, so they probably aren't paying much attention or don't care.

speaking of me asking for a mass claim I was doing that because I was hoping I'd be uncced and therefore clear, I thought today was going to be all roses

if you lynch mastin tomorrow it goes 4-1-1, and assuming lack of crosskills here which will probably happen because the scum have things figured out, it goes 2-1-1 which even if you're a PGO I see no way out of

[Reckamonic]

lynch a scum, the other can't kill me or endgame me assuming his wincon is to have absolute majority.
That gives a draw, which is better than a loss.
All this assuming you flip town of course.

No Conspiracy, I missed tha post of yours and reading back I cant find it.
note to self: If we want ConSpiracy to see us as town, we need to lie about our role!

Also since there's no redirector the mafiakill on Implosion makes 0 sense, through and through.
I am so confused by the mafia's play.
I assume your counter to the roleblocker would be a scumneighbor Con? Doesn't seem balanced at all.

[gorilla]

they kill the other townie and i'm pretty sure you get endgamed from there, ask the mod.

I will flip town, I believe I have explained myself on the matter. I understand that you think my actions were bad play, I ask you to consider what the value of claiming such an action as scum would be. Do you want me to point out how I was leading into investigating you?

[ConSpiracy]

Eehm, gorilla?

T-Bone was put to death Day 4. He was an

East Side Mafia Tracker

His team is one down.
Why would he suicide with something that stupid (three players), when he could also claim tracker and tracked you/mastin to the kill?
Keep in mind that it is in his best interest to lynch werewolves now, too.
This is why mastin should have claimed yesterday. Werewolves didn't know yet the opposing team had a tracker (at least I assumed that). If he did claim the action to be true, we knew he was scum. But noooo, nobody even cared about him claiming...

And mafia shows us that imp wasn't the one being tracked with killing implosion. He wants to direct our lynch today and I completely agree with lynching scum.

Thinking about it, the C-Worl lynch might suggest that the werewolves think there aren't any PRs left. At least no PR that would hinder them.

PE: No way vig pool is going to work.

This post I meant.

And with unclaiming I meant that you are either town PGO or scum. I won't buy an unclaim and another RB claim any more.

they kill the other townie and i'm pretty sure you get endgamed from there,

ask the mod.

Love this Trying to get town points with reasoning with us together, and then he says this.

[ConSpiracy]

And a scum neighbour Role Cop vs. a Roleblocker?
And if so, which one would you put with the tracker and which one with the watcher?

And while we are at it, Charlie, can you comment on this, too, if you are online again?

[gorilla]

what the hell? What did I do?

I'm not trying to get town poins so much as I'm trying to get scum lynched and save my own ass in the process. I'm reasoning with you guys because I need to convince you of the truth - not mastin.

If T-Bone had an actual guilty on me, don't you think he could have just claimed that? He'd be rolling in the towncred from there.

[Reckamonic]

He's not getting town points for that, I asked in post 2301 <_<

scum neighbor rolecop would be... pretty ridiculous <<

Also, the main argument for there being a rolecop is that T-Bone said his team had one who saw Implosion. However with no redirection that is a proven lie, so does it matter? <_<

Also the roleblocker would be mafia, duh. How would it block WW-rilla otherwise?

@Gorilla: He did, except he got greedy and tried to claim three at once <<

[gorilla]

No, he just claimed that stuff assuming you guys would be insane enough to listen to the results of flipped scum

and it's working, apparently

he had a legit guilty and he claimed three, ensuring there was no chance he would be believed?

No, he probably tracked me to himself and tried to incriminate me because hey, free mislynch

or something

but he didn't have a guilty on me

literally eating out of the scum's hands by lynching me

[gorilla]

also if I was roleblocked as scum why were there 2 kills? T-Bone said I did the kill on nacho, assumption would be that I'd be killing again, yes?

[Reckamonic]

No, he just claimed that stuff assuming you guys would be insane enough to listen to the results of flipped scum

and it's working, apparently

It's really not. The reason you're getting lynched is for the most part Mastin CCing you and being way more credible. That's not related to T-Bone's BS.
Also the existence of the rolecop has been disproven.

EDIT: No, considering T-Bone said "GORILLA IS SCUM!", assumption would be you'd ask your buddy to do it <<

[ConSpiracy]

But scum has to have something right?

2x goon, tracker
2x goon, watcher
BP SK
Seer, Cop, Voyeur, JK, 2 neighbour, PGO, 11x VT

This seems ridiculously town sided.

[Reckamonic]

roleblocker for one, something for the other.
I already said Gorilla is a scum watcher who did get blocked.

[ConSpiracy]

And what would even out a roleblocker, but not being the same PR?

I seriously hope Gorilla isn't the watcher and flips something entirely different...

[Reckamonic]

I do too, because otherwise I'm starting to seriously fear 4-4-1.

[gorilla]

again, he shouldn't be more credible. I've explained myself, mastin has been all braggadocio and bullshit. I have an unusual investigation for night 4 I wouldn't claim as scum. He claims to have investigated a player who was highly unlikely to be mafia and is withholding a result for no reason. You two aren't bothering to read, apparently. Do I need to show you who I was crumbing investigating the PGO for most of day 4? Do I need to give you a case on why mastin is scum? There's plenty of reasons to believe he's scum, if you've actually been reading the thread at this point. You are being stubborn and can't really justify what you're doing because it's a bad decision.

[gorilla]

And what would even out a roleblocker, but not being the same PR?

I seriously hope Gorilla isn't the watcher and flips something entirely different...

you'll get your wish

10. gorilla,

Town Cop

, Put to Death Day 5!

[ConSpiracy]

Gorilla, instead of being useless. Give us a case of who you think is the last mafia.

[Reckamonic]

I have an unusual investigation for night 4 I wouldn't claim as scum.

WIFOM

Do I need to show you who I was crumbing investigating the PGO for most of day 4? Do I need to give you a case on why mastin is scum?

... well, duh?

You are being stubborn and can't really justify what you're doing because it's a bad decision.

You're really not making us feel like not lynching you.

[gorilla]

last mafia? Don't know, think singer is a likely pick at this point. powerrox is mastin's scumbuddy, though. like 99%.

I am being useful, I am trying to convince two very stubborn and foolish players that I am town, but they are being rude and not giving me the time of day. If you actually stopped to reason here and think about this, you might realize you are coming to the wrong conclusion but you are voting without thinking. mastin is scum and I'll do whatever it takes to prove it.

[Reckamonic]

how about making a case?