NY 171: An Education in Telling Jokes (Game Over!)

[Ythan]

The slot isn't scum, mollie, ns has been lurking in all of his games from the looks of it.

this is not true. he has been actively posting elsewhere on site.

Yeah but where?

[Kagami]

Well, quick post search gave me prod dodges. But I see you're not wrong...

Doesn't change the fact, role PM says town.

[Green Crayons]

He has beef with me but can't back it up.

GC is trying to kill it

So many lies.

This is an intelligent way to address your concerns. Let's see where it leads.

Ythan: "but MY one-liners are acceptable!"

[Green Crayons]

And, to actually underscore that I have actual substance to my points, in contrast to your flurry of "look at these idiots" barbs:

He has beef with me but can't back it up.

This is a lie, because:

The closer we get to the end the less I can chalk your tunneling up to being terrible at mafia.

Mischaracterization. It's not "tunneling" when I have voiced suspicions of you in tandem with voiced suspicions about other players, and now that those other players are no longer alive, and you are still alive and still playing scummy, that I vote you.

I also want to hear more out of Green Crayons and Elyse.

I find that I don't really have much to say at the moment. I want mala to respond to my post, and in the meanwhile I'm happy with my PeregrineV vote.


I'm happy to do a recap about my feelings about players. For ease of future reference, I'm even going to include a bold notation as to those who I would be comfortable lynching today.

2. PeregrineV: willing to lynch today for reasons stated in Post 1659. (

Happy to lynch.

)

4. DeathNote: I thought was scum for about the first half of D1, and now I find him neutral. Hasn't done anything exceptional since that point in time, which I think might be attributable to the blowup between him and UT right about when his posting seemed to drop off. That strikes me as discouraged town, rather than scared scum licking his wounds.

5. pisskop: no real read. I just wrote a snippet about some minor feelings I had towards pisskop, only to do a quick double check and realize that they were not about pisskop at all, but another player. This leads me to conclude that I have absolutely no feelings about pisskop.

6. Yates Matias*: no read

7. pirate mollie: town

8. serrapaladin OhGodMyLife*: I realized I didn't have a read on him and then realized I couldn't actually put even a personality with the name. 9 posts all game. Would lynch this lurker today. (

Happy to lynch.

)

9. Untrod Tripod XLAV: town

10. Malakittens: leaning scum. (

Happy to lynch.

)

11. Elyse: still town in my book.

12. Marquis: still town in my book. I've read the posts about people who think she's scummy, and they didn't strike me as solid enough suspicions to take the time and synthesize and think hard and deep thoughts about.

13. Nikanor: no read.

14. Ythan *: I feel like he's pulling a "I'm hot shit" gambit and the only one who is noticing that it isn't working (and shouldn't be, because Ythan hasn't exactly delivered this game) is tman. Would be happy to vote again. (

Happy to lynch.

)

15. Porochaz: still think he's town

17. evilpacman18 *: I would have been happy to lynch today -- I recall in my distant memory where EPM played more or less like he has this game (basic actively lurker scum template) and he was scum GF or something silly like that. Plus there were some pretty good suspicions thrown about earlier by another player re: EPM that struck me correctly. I don't know how I feel now that he's going to be replaced. (

Happy to lynch.

)

18. RadiantCowbells: leaning town. He's been pretty quiet with the occasional not particularly helpful tidbit, so I guess possible lurker scum, but he doesn't really strike me that way.

20. tman2nd: solid town

21. Green Crayons: me

That answers two of the points I could glean through all of your bluster.

You're basically taking a "I'm obviously and incredibly right, and my rightness stems from the fact that I'm obviously town, and therefore my townness and rightness is unquestionable and I'll barrage anyone who says otherwise was insults and sarcasm" tactic, and it looks like scum bluster.

I noted it in Post 1822, and it has continued since that time. Up to and including your interactions with Serra and about how everyone should be voting Serra lest they be True Newbies.

Good luck. <3

After you've assessed that my suspicions are not up to par, I see that you've safely retreated from slandering my play as being scummy. Good to know you kick up a whole bunch of dust as soon as someone votes you!

Keeping my vote.

Good luck. <3

After you've assessed that my suspicions are not up to par, I see that

you've safely retreated from slandering my play as being scummy

. Good to know you kick up a whole bunch of dust as soon as someone votes you!

Keeping my vote.

Are you making this up as you go along.

That didn't happen.

You are literally too much, don't worry you'll have your turn.

You're making my vote more comfortable the longer we go on. I lynch liars, too:

The closer we get to the end the less I can chalk your tunneling up to being terrible at mafia.

So I'm literally reading your iso to try to prove to myself that you're not retarded

and failing. Explain your vote on me with like a big boy.

Wooow it took forever to drag you onto those two scum lynches.

Guys open Desperado's iso, ctrl+f green, start hitting enter and watch.

Oh is this the part you were supposedly responding to:

Good luck. <3

After you've assessed that my suspicions are not up to par,

I see that you've safely retreated

from slandering my play as being scummy. Good to know you kick up a whole bunch of dust as soon as someone votes you!

Keeping my vote.

Are you making this up as you go along.

That didn't happen.

You are literally too much, don't worry you'll have your turn.

Then I point out:

That's pretty dumb/not where I can imagine putting my vote in town-gc's shoes but as long as you're up front about it.

Good luck. <3

Also, lol @ Ythan's additional discrediting of anything I say when his statement of "That didn't happen" was about as opaque as a glass of milk, and I responded accordingly.

In sum, just so you can't bluster more about Just How Wacky That Green Crayons Is Being!: my first response showed you slandering my play as scummy, my second response showed you retreating from that hardline stance.

And, as a final cap: yes, yes that did happen.

I'm not really following the Ythan-GC thing

It's quite simple:

1. I vote Ythan.
2. Ythan calls me scummy for <reasons>, and says I don't have a basis for voting him.
3. I clarify my reasons for voting him.
4. Ythan says those reasons are weak.
5. I make a submissive post or two where I agree that maybe my scumhunting skills are pretty weak.
6. Ythan, sensing victory, then retreats from his stance that I'm scummy, satisfied with my own posts that presumably undercut the veracity of my own suspicions of Ythan.

In-between all of this, you get insults and words words words from Ythan. And lots of questions about things already answered. The goal of which is to muddy the water, I presume, as Ythan is scum in my book.

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GC is trying to kill it, Mollie might be trying to kill it.

And this is a lie, because:

I also want to hear more out of Green Crayons and Elyse.

I find that I don't really have much to say at the moment. I want mala to respond to my post, and in the meanwhile I'm happy with my PeregrineV vote.


I'm happy to do a recap about my feelings about players. For ease of future reference, I'm even going to include a bold notation as to those who I would be comfortable lynching today.

2. PeregrineV: willing to lynch today for reasons stated in Post 1659. (

Happy to lynch.

)

4. DeathNote: I thought was scum for about the first half of D1, and now I find him neutral. Hasn't done anything exceptional since that point in time, which I think might be attributable to the blowup between him and UT right about when his posting seemed to drop off. That strikes me as discouraged town, rather than scared scum licking his wounds.

5. pisskop: no real read. I just wrote a snippet about some minor feelings I had towards pisskop, only to do a quick double check and realize that they were not about pisskop at all, but another player. This leads me to conclude that I have absolutely no feelings about pisskop.

6. Yates Matias*: no read

7. pirate mollie: town

8. serrapaladin OhGodMyLife*: I realized I didn't have a read on him and then realized I couldn't actually put even a personality with the name. 9 posts all game. Would lynch this lurker today. (

Happy to lynch.

)

9. Untrod Tripod XLAV: town

10. Malakittens: leaning scum. (

Happy to lynch.

)

11. Elyse: still town in my book.

12. Marquis: still town in my book. I've read the posts about people who think she's scummy, and they didn't strike me as solid enough suspicions to take the time and synthesize and think hard and deep thoughts about.

13. Nikanor: no read.

14. Ythan *: I feel like he's pulling a "I'm hot shit" gambit and the only one who is noticing that it isn't working (and shouldn't be, because Ythan hasn't exactly delivered this game) is tman. Would be happy to vote again. (

Happy to lynch.

)

15. Porochaz: still think he's town

17. evilpacman18 *: I would have been happy to lynch today -- I recall in my distant memory where EPM played more or less like he has this game (basic actively lurker scum template) and he was scum GF or something silly like that. Plus there were some pretty good suspicions thrown about earlier by another player re: EPM that struck me correctly. I don't know how I feel now that he's going to be replaced. (

Happy to lynch.

)

18. RadiantCowbells: leaning town. He's been pretty quiet with the occasional not particularly helpful tidbit, so I guess possible lurker scum, but he doesn't really strike me that way.

20. tman2nd: solid town

21. Green Crayons: me

It's quite simple

Is that why you aren't on the NS wagon? Or do you think NS is town?

Because one more vote will lynch NS.
Because I'm waiting to see if NS actually posts anything.
Because the only thing I recall being chalked up to NS = scummy is someone saying that Mollie said to vote him.


I said I was willing to vote EPM for being an active lurker. NS, being EPM's replacement, has not done much to change that perception of the slot. That said, I can have multiple suspicions and right now I prefer pursuing my Ythan suspicions with a vote.

[Ythan]

You quoted a bunch of your posts which I have already had the misfortune of reading once. Can you express in any other/actual way why you are voting me?

[Elyse]

Also, reading through that Day 3 again made me realize we should lynch pisskop.

And if pisskop flips town we should lynch UT and if pisskop flips scum UT is basically conftown.

Based on your Day 3 reading, do you think the reverse of your flip-reveal holds true -- that is, now that UT is flipped town, pisskop's replacement is likely scum?

I think pisskop is likely scum but not because of UT's flip.

[Green Crayons]

- Ythan: "He has beef with me but can't back it up."
- Me: quotes a bunch of posts where I have already explained why I find Ythan's play scummy to show that, in fact, I have backed it up and there's no need for me to restate my already stated suspicions
- Ythan: refuses to address those points and instead makes the issue about something else -- now, he's complaining that those reasons aren't stated with the right words



I'm not going to play into your attempt to make the focus of my voiced suspicions be anything but those voiced suspicions. Even in your flopping about, you're revealing your scumminess: you've already admitted that you understand my suspicions against you (Post 2346), but you fail to understand my suspicions against you when you want to discredit me (Post 2410, Post 2429).

[pirate mollie]

Also, reading through that Day 3 again made me realize we should lynch pisskop.

And if pisskop flips town we should lynch UT and if pisskop flips scum UT is basically conftown.

Based on your Day 3 reading, do you think the reverse of your flip-reveal holds true -- that is, now that UT is flipped town, pisskop's replacement is likely scum?

I think pisskop is likely scum but not because of UT's flip.

why?

[tman2nd]

Ythan, I am not sheeping GC. Notice I'm not scumreading you yet. I might, but right now I'm undecided.

[Ythan]

- Ythan: "He has beef with me but can't back it up."
- Me: quotes a bunch of posts where I have already explained why I find Ythan's play scummy to show that, in fact, I have backed it up and there's no need for me to restate my already stated suspicions
- Ythan: refuses to address those points and instead makes the issue about something else -- now, he's complaining that those reasons aren't stated with the right words



I'm not going to play into your attempt to make the focus of my voiced suspicions be anything but those voiced suspicions. Even in your flopping about, you're revealing your scumminess: you've already admitted that you understand my suspicions against you (Post 2346), but you fail to understand my suspicions against you when you want to discredit me (Post 2410, Post 2429).

So you can't do it? K.

Tman, what you are doing is saying you agree with points he has made but failing to specify a single one. After repeated prods to do so. It should be simple.

[Elyse]

Also, reading through that Day 3 again made me realize we should lynch pisskop.

And if pisskop flips town we should lynch UT and if pisskop flips scum UT is basically conftown.

Based on your Day 3 reading, do you think the reverse of your flip-reveal holds true -- that is, now that UT is flipped town, pisskop's replacement is likely scum?

I think pisskop is likely scum but not because of UT's flip.

why?

pisskop tried to dismantle the mala wagon

[tman2nd]

- Ythan: "He has beef with me but can't back it up."
- Me: quotes a bunch of posts where I have already explained why I find Ythan's play scummy to show that, in fact, I have backed it up and there's no need for me to restate my already stated suspicions
- Ythan: refuses to address those points and instead makes the issue about something else -- now, he's complaining that those reasons aren't stated with the right words



I'm not going to play into your attempt to make the focus of my voiced suspicions be anything but those voiced suspicions. Even in your flopping about, you're revealing your scumminess: you've already admitted that you understand my suspicions against you (Post 2346), but you fail to understand my suspicions against you when you want to discredit me (Post 2410, Post 2429).

So you can't do it? K.

Tman, what you are doing is saying you agree with points he has made but failing to specify a single one. After repeated prods to do so. It should be simple.

I agree that you haven't been responding to most of his points, and instead just calling them stupid without explaining why.

[Green Crayons]

- Ythan: "He has beef with me but can't back it up."
- Me: quotes a bunch of posts where I have already explained why I find Ythan's play scummy to show that, in fact, I have backed it up and there's no need for me to restate my already stated suspicions
- Ythan: refuses to address those points and instead makes the issue about something else -- now, he's complaining that those reasons aren't stated with the right words



I'm not going to play into your attempt to make the focus of my voiced suspicions be anything but those voiced suspicions. Even in your flopping about, you're revealing your scumminess: you've already admitted that you understand my suspicions against you (Post 2346), but you fail to understand my suspicions against you when you want to discredit me (Post 2410, Post 2429).

So you can't do it? K.

There's no need for me to use different words to restate my already voiced suspicions of you that you have already acknowledged as understanding.

Or, rather, there is no

town

reason for doing so. Scum would, of course, make an issue out of the fact that I'm not going to continually rephrase my suspicions.

[Ythan]

I agree that you haven't been responding to most of his points, and instead just calling them stupid without explaining why.

He's calling me scum without explaining why, I've explained why I'm calling him stupid (see before the comma).

[Ythan]

Gc if those posts weren't shit I wouldn't be asking you to do better? All you do is bitch, you have to give it more than that.

[Nachomamma8]

mollie can you vote notscience again please?

[pirate mollie]

wat happened to "bad mollie"

[Bulbazak]

Note to self: Actually bookmark the thread next time. I might pull a Kuribo with the leading wagon. I haven't decided yet.

[Yates]

Dear Kagami,

Welcome to the game. I'm going to hammer you today. Please claim.

Love,

Yates

[Kagami]

Hammering before I've finished reading is a scum-claim, there's absolutely no town motivation for doing so.

I'm vanilla.

[Yates]

I guess I'm scum, then.

VOTE: Kagami

On the plus side, now you don't have to read.

[Ythan]

That Yates hammer.

[Kagami]

Spoiler: Day 1 wagons

Vote Count 1.7 - zek+fish wagon

Zekrom25

(7) - Marquis,

Porochaz

, pirate mollie, DeathNote, pisskop,

kagami

,

Formerfish

Formerfish

(6) -

Nikanor

, Yates,

Cabd

,

Untrod Tripod

, Elyse, Ythan
Untrod Tripod (3) - tman2nd, Green Crayons,

Zekrom25

pirate mollie (1) -

sthar8

Gooner (1) -

PeregrineV

PeregrineV (1)- RadiantCowbells

Not Voting (2) -

OhGodMyLife

,

Malakittens

Vote count just after zekrom claimed vig. At the time of the claim, UT was on DN and Elyse was on zek. Suggests tman and GC are not scum together, since 3 scum on UT here seems pretty unlikely.

I would expect one or even two scum to be on formerfish, and at most one on zek here. There's the vague possibility that many scum are on zek and the whole claiming thing was organized as a bus given daychat, but I have a hard time seeing zek as anything but a hardcore derp in this game.

Elyse was on zek just prior to this VC, but she jumped immediately on hearing the claim. Not sure that's damning, since I'd have done the same (lynching a claimed 1S vig on day 1 is stupid).

Vote Count 1.10 - burgeoning Sthar wagon

sthar8

(5) - Elyse, Green Crayons, pisskop, Ythan,

Nikanor

Marquis (4) - DeathNote,

PeregrineV

,

Porochaz

,

Untrod Tripod

Zekrom25

(2) -

Formerfish

, Marquis

Formerfish

(1) - Yates

Untrod Tripod

(1) -

Zekrom25

Elyse (1) -

Cabd

RadiantCowbells (1) - RadiantCowbells

Malakittens

(1) - pirate mollie
pirate mollie (1) -

Malakittens

Not Voting (4) -

OhGodMyLife

,

sthar8

,

kagami

, tman2nd

State of the game 2 days prior to deadline, where we see the sthar wagon beginning, which will eventually lead to a lynch. After this point, it's pretty unlikely that an alternative wagon will spring up with the deadline looming, so if marquis is town, scum should be feeling pretty comfortable here. If marquis is scum, then I would presume the wagon is entirely town, while if marquis is town, DeathNote has a good chance of being scum, since the marquis wagon would be a great safety spot for scum-votes. Either way, prob at least one scumvote on sthar by now.

Vote Count 1.13 - lynch wagons

sthar8

(11) - Elyse, Green Crayons, pisskop, Ythan,

Nikanor

,

kagami

, Yates, pirate mollie, Marquis,

Malakittens

,

Formerfish

(LYNCH)
Marquis (6) - DeathNote,

PeregrineV

,

Porochaz

, tman2nd, RadiantCowbells,

Untrod Tripod

Untrod Tripod (1) -

Zekrom25

Elyse (1) -

Cabd

Not Voting (2) -

OhGodMyLife

,

sthar8

Deadline lynch, but interesting in that all of the non-zekrom scum are on a wagon. Do we believe that all of them (almost certainly 4) are on sthar? Prob not. There is one or very likely two scum among DN, tman, and RC.

[Kagami]

Funny. I claimed thinking I was at L-1, but remembered that mollie had unvoted. That wasn't hammer.

[Kagami]

Day 2 wagons prob not worth discussing, since zek scum-claimed. Going through day 3...