Open 908: Mafia PT

[Klick]

Yessssss

[Klick]

This is the thread that I post in to make me feel like a Goodie in this narrative

Look at me, I'm a Goodie, ready to go catch the Baddies

[Klick]

Oh my god I just realised I have a thread all to myself

I can make people read my rambling thoughts on Mafia theory!!

[Klick]

I often wonder how many people let the broken-down fundamentals of games like this live in their head rent-free to the extent that I've cursed myself with

I feel like most people already have functional answers that they're happy to roll with to questions like 'what kinds of behaviours are

actually

indicative of being scum (or town!)', or 'what actions could town take that

actually

sway town's chances of winning the game'

I have

ideas

about these things on an overarching level, but I'm more often asking myself these questions in-the-moment during a Mafia game

This probably helps me stay sharp on reads that might otherwise not be found, but it also makes me inconsistent and reveals that I have no clue what I'm doing half the time

I'm content with that though - I feel like I have a much better idea of what I'm doing than I did even five years ago, when I was Bad At Mafia

[Klick]

God being town is infinitely more interesting than being scum
Who wants to stare at a completed puzzle all day

I have to consider me being scum as Just A Theory and speculate that there's another truer truth out there just to keep myself engaged

[Klick]

I think nearly everyone massively underappreciates how possible it is to derive completely accurate reads out of seemingly very little information

Just look around the next time you're scum and see what things people do that you think they are clearly only doing as town, even if it looks bad on the surface

Then, instead of going 'well yeah but I'm confbiased', realise that those things are still true even when you're town and someone else is scum

They are very findable, you just have to understand personalities a bit and not fall into traps from strong players
The traps can usually be understood too

[Klick]

ceejayvinoya may no longer post here. Night one begins!

Hello!

How will you handle no-death standoffs? If I choose not to kill N2, and town chooses not to eliminate, how will you resolve the stalemate?

[Aureal]

I'll update rules with specifics if it actually seems like a possible course of action, but merely one day/night cycle of no elimination would not trigger any action. If nobody chooses to act for at least two full cycles I would consider whether the game should continue.

[Klick]

This game has felt super validating for my scum play. Even if I wind up losing this, I feel proud that I've made several intentional decisions that have gotten players like the worst and Dann to townread me.

[Aureal]

Night 2 begins.

[Klick]

KILL: Political Clout

Fast Night please!

[Klick]

I think I have several viable endgames here

The biggest problem I have right now is, who do I kill on N3 to make it the least weird that I'm not dead?

[Klick]

There might be credit in leaving PC alive actually to avoid that problem

Maybe I could kill Dann tonight?

[Klick]

I think my best route is voting worst or implosion tomorrow, and then pitching NM as the scum in ELo who didn't choose to kill me

[Klick]

On the other hand, I think Not_Mafia is probably one of my bigger threats in terms of finding me and so I'd be happy with him getting eliminated tomorrow as well

[Aureal]

KILL: Political Clout

Fast Night please!

Target and fast night request received. You may still change your selection until the deadline.

[Aureal]

Night three begins!

[Klick]

Right. I don't really want to deal with Not_Mafia in ELo, but I also think killing him would point directly to me

What is the most viable death that isn't me?

[Klick]

I probably kill Dann tonight but there's a potential argument for killing the worst

I think I can keep NM and worst as viable scum with a Dann kill; I don't know that I could sell a worst kill coming from someone who isn't me

[Klick]

The idea behind a Dann kill here is that NM is trying to create two possible paths to victory - Dann and the worst townread each other, but I've expressed suspicion on the worst, so I might actually not be the optimal kill in a NM!scum world. The other benefit to NM!scum is that me surviving creates suspicion on me - why didn't I die when I'm a consensus townread? There's rationale that NM could kill Dann to make the worst question why I'm alive.

Whereas with a duck kill, although there's still the rationale of trying to WIFOM suspicion onto me, there's not a clear reason why it would be duck dying instead of me.

There's also benefits based on what people have said in the thread. Worst has the E-1 suspicion on him atm. He has also mentioned the idea of myself or Dann winning easily here by bringing duck and NM, so if duck starts positing me as scum it could look like a setup.

[Klick]

Kill: Dannflor

Fast Night please!

[Aureal]

Kill: Dannflor

Fast Night please!

Received, etc

[Aureal]

Day four begins!