Open 389 - Scumhunter's Speed8p, d3

[katsukiknowsbest]

Why would anyone be going after Kanye if Tony flips scum, let alone "many"?

If Tony is flipping scum, what does that say of my alignment?

[kanyeknowsbest]

i think hes referring to usernames "kanye can only be scum with tony" thing.

[katsukiknowsbest]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 3&sr=posts

Plus tony still not interested in doing ANYTHING.

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[Korts]

I'm not intentionally stalling, Tony, I'm just forced to post from my phone, which is annoyingly difficult.

unvote

Metabot makes a fair point about vijay's role in the D1 Tony-wagon.

I'm getting an IAUN-Katsuki vibe right now actually. I'll be back tonight when I have more time.

[iamausername]

unvote

Hey, Tony, if we both vote Katsuki now, he'll be the new deadline lynch and we can all have a good laugh about this post:

I love this seniority rule because it means we can just sit here, do nothing and have tony lynch go through regardless.

Wouldn't that be fun?

UNVOTE: Korts
VOTE: Katsuki

[Nuwen]

Vote count:

Korts: (1) Fat_Tony

Fat_Tony: (2) Katsukiknowsbest, KanyeKnowsbest

Katsukiknowsbest (2) : metabot, iamausername

NOT VOTING (1): Korts

With 6 alive, 4 is an immediate lynch.

Bolded

is senior.

Senior plurality dies on 4/25 @ 10 am EST.

The key to winning arguments is to always be right.

[iamausername]

@Nuwen:

You seem to have switched my vote with Tony's in that count.

[Nuwen]

You people are so god damn needy

[Fat_Tony]

You people are so god damn needy

HA!

@IAUN - not gonna switch my vote, I'm done vote hopping. If kanye and Katsuki want a mislynch, they can do it if they want. Although your plan is hilarious.

Mod: who would have seniority of I voted Katsuki and then unvoted? Just curious.

@Korts, sorry about that last post of mine, I was in a shit mood because of this shitty game. I too am largely stuck phone posting so I know where you're coming from with that.

Flaw with Kanye's associative tell: what if vijay was trying to recapture the lunch momentum by refocusing on me and driving me to the gallows? We already know he wasn't paying attention to the game, but out of interest, can someone with a PC please tell me who attention was focused on at that point? Preferably someone who isn't tunnelling me at this point.

[iamausername]

@IAUN - not gonna switch my vote, I'm done vote hopping. If kanye and Katsuki want a mislynch, they can do it if they want.

ಠ_ಠ

why do i bother

[Fat_Tony]

Are you doing it because you really think Katsuki is scum? If you do, why do you?

[iamausername]

no i just think it would be funny

You're voting for Korts. Why do you think he just unvoted you, if he's scum?

[Fat_Tony]

Perhaps he is evaluating the scumminess of someone else due to recent posts and just wants to be safe instead of lyncherising another townie (ie. me).

Sorry if my lack of enthusiasm is irritating people, this game is just so unbearably uneventful.

[Korts]

Sorry guys, I wasn't fully invested in this game for the past couple days for multiple reasons. Consider me back in 100%. Well, make that 90%, and expect a bit of rambling--editing my posts to a streamlined perfection of conciseness is kinda hard on a screen this size.

So I went back and reread IAUN's train of thought in the process of elimination. I agree with him that the interaction between Tony and vijay implies Tonytown, and that a Metabot/Katsuki pair is unlikely considering their lack of involvement in the NS lynch despite both having the opportunity to hammer. I'm not particularly convinced that kanyescum would have hammered Tony when he had the chance in early game, but I accept that my line of reasoning as per post 178 is a bit obscure as well as a matter of taking into account the nightless nature of the setup instead of acting on quasi-impulse. I can see where IAUN is coming from eliminating kanye from the pool of suspects.

But by nature of it being written from IAUN's perspective, his pairings from process of elimination bear little credibility in my eyes--his name is interchangeable with mine in those pairs without trouble. I understand the logic as coming from from IAUNtown, but when he presents it as an argument to lynch me, it makes me read it as deliberate manipulation of facts by omission of himself.

Also, Tony is town. Regardless of all the newbie platitudes ("scum can act town to gain townie points" as a serious point in deduction is a beautiful example of that) he seems genuinely intent on making a sound judgment call, trying to avoid premature day's end by not voting me to lynch -1, and plus there's that whole vijay thing.

I'm not impressed by the way IAUN avoids the whole Tony/Katsuki spat on page 8-9. Instead, his post 203 addresses Metabot's borderline irrelevant question about vijay's death, and goes on to request scumreads from him--while providing no new material from IAUN himself. Same with 215--he asks for specifics from Metabot again on a marginal point, and defends his earlier argumentation, neither of which are particularly constructive in light of Tony/Kats. He addresses kanye's interpretation of the situation, alluding to his own read on it, but asks for an explanation instead of giving his own analysis. Then nothing in 221 either, and then the town's attention just turns to other stuff completely. I wonder why he was avoiding that topic.

The lynching of a townie D1 absolutely hurts town. Yes the setup is the same, but the wincon changes. It is absolutely harder to find two scum in three goes than one scum in two.

Okay, you're right. I forgot about the White Flag modifier. If I was aware at the time, I might not have pushed an immediate lynch of NS--but he was being unconstructive to an extent that he was my top suspect, and I would still probably have lynched him.

Katsuki's 243 really sounds like gloating scum.

Hyup. Let's do Katsuki first.

VOTE: Katsuki

[Nuwen]

Mod: who would have seniority of I voted Katsuki and then unvoted? Just curious.

The senior wagon would remain the same. Seniority means "first to achieve x votes" and is only a factor when 2 wagons are competing for plurality.

Again, in other words: when two (or more wagons) have the same plurality of votes at deadline (2-2-2, 3-3, etc), the wagon which first reached x is the lynch.

To make myself perfectly clear, here's a third way of saying it: seniority among plural wagons

can only be broken by a stronger plurality elsewhere, or the senior wagon losing a vote.

When more than one wagon is plural in a vote count, I will

bold

the senior wagon.

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Vote count:

Korts: (1) Fat_Tony
Fat_Tony: (2) Katsukiknowsbest, KanyeKnowsbest
Katsukiknowsbest (3) : metabot, iamausername, Korts


NOT VOTING (0):

With 6 alive, 4 is an immediate lynch.

Bolded

is senior.

Senior plurality dies on 4/25 @ 10 am EST.

Never have I ever.

[Korts]

Hold on, hold on.

Why are you unwilling to vote Katsuki at this point, Tony? A few pages ago, you were adamant that he was intentionally misrepresenting you. What changed?

[Fat_Tony]

Nothing changed, I just decided I liked your lynch more based on a couple of posts. Not so sure now though. Hmmm.

People- Katsuki is now at L-1. No excuses.

[iamausername]

Instead, his post 203 addresses Metabot's borderline irrelevant question about vijay's death

he asks for specifics from Metabot again on a marginal point

uh, this 'borderline irrelevant' 'marginal' point was a massive townslip from metabot that the questions were aimed at (and succesful in) confirming

good posting otherwise

ps. tony, make this game more eventful by hammering Katsuki, tia

[Korts]

Actually okay, I see what you're saying with Metabot.

So what's your take on the Tony/Kats spat, again?

[iamausername]

The thing is... we're in the game enough where we have one scum dead and (in my mind) a couple of relatively clear townies. We also have some VERY strong association tells from the game mechanic. It doesn't make sense NOT to look for them.

Indeed. I think the reason Katsuki is saying this is because he realises that there's no viable partner for Tony here, and he doesn't want us to think too hard about that.

I think this post made it clear enough.

[Fat_Tony]

Not going to hammer katsuki until he's had a chance to defend himself, if I do at all. There's no need, as things stand he'll be lynched at EOD, but I do want him to have a chance to defend himself, because if nothing else, it could help us find his buddy.

[Fat_Tony]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 3&sr=posts

Plus tony still not interested in doing ANYTHING.

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What's your point with this post, Katsuki? The fact I've been more active in a game where it's actually been enjoyable and productive rather than shite and tedious?

[katsukiknowsbest]

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS MADNESS

[katsukiknowsbest]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 3&sr=posts

Plus tony still not interested in doing ANYTHING.

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What's your point with this post, Katsuki? The fact I've been more active in a game where it's actually been enjoyable and productive rather than shite and tedious?

NO IT'S BECAUSE YOU'VE SHOWN NO INTEREST IN EITHER DEFENDING YOURSELF NOR SCUMHUNTING TO SHOW WHY SOMEONE ELSE IS SCUM

HOWEVER NOT LIKE IT MATTERS MUCH NOW BECAUSE KORTS PRETTY MUCH CLAIMED SCUM

[katsukiknowsbest]

Hold on, hold on.

Why are you unwilling to vote Katsuki at this point, Tony? A few pages ago, you were adamant that he was intentionally misrepresenting you. What changed?

BACK TO MY ORIGINAL D1 READ OF KORTS