Mini 1432: Clue Master Detective (Game Over)

[serrapaladin]

Yes, shos, that's all I've been advocating: claiming the previous day's room and action.

Baby, there are a bunch of items, I think it's fair to say at least some of them relate to movement and position.

If town tells the truth, (which, you know, they should), we'll be able to catch scum by finding out who's been lying.
It doesn't matter if we know what room people die in. If they tell us what room they were in the day before, it can eliminate people from the suspect pool.

Scum really don't have much to gain from knowing where people were yesterday and what items they used.

When we approach LyLo or something, we can start discussing not claiming so scum can't narrow down people's positions, but for now it's the dominant strategy to claim.

[guille2015]

VOTE COUNT 1.08

With 10 alive it's 6 votes to Lynch.

Voting for:

Shos (0):
Jennifer (0):
malakittens (0):

Baby Spice (3):

malakittens, Jennifer, serrapaladin

pirate mollie (1):

Belisarius

penguin_alien (0):
Belisarius (0):
serrapaladin (0):

fuzzybutternut (3):

pirate mollie, Shos, Jake From State Farm

Jake From State Farm (2):

fuzzybutternut, penguin_alien

Not voting (1): Baby Spice

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-04-05 08:30:00)

[penguin_alien]

Here's the problem with revealing rooms: scum can kill in their room or in adjacent rooms. This means that if one reveals location as Fountain or Gazebo, the only place to go the next night is the Courtyard, and even the next night said person is guaranteed to be killable from the Courtyard barring object interference. Those are the most egregious examples, but depending on where scum are, the adjacent thing pretty much leaves a lot of open targets with multiple scum alive. I'll reveal rooms for the night before last but not last night.

What about claiming objects? Most anyone aside from scum is going to use them when possible for their purpose, and it keeps scum from fake-claiming actions with some until then unused object.

I dislike that Jake hasn't addressed the case he made on Malakittens, but Baby Spice's ISO is scummier. Between her entire time on the Malakittens wagon and her redirect to finding out people's rooms and whether they know who else is there with them, everything seems to come from a scum stance.

VOTE: Baby Spice

[Jake from State Farm]

What was I supposed to address about my case?

[fuzzybutternut]

Here's the problem with revealing rooms: scum can kill in their room or in adjacent rooms. This means that if one reveals location as Fountain or Gazebo, the only place to go the next night is the Courtyard, and even the next night said person is guaranteed to be killable from the Courtyard barring object interference. Those are the most egregious examples, but depending on where scum are, the adjacent thing pretty much leaves a lot of open targets with multiple scum alive. I'll reveal rooms for the night before last but not last night.

What about claiming objects? Most anyone aside from scum is going to use them when possible for their purpose, and it keeps scum from fake-claiming actions with some until then unused object.

I dislike that Jake hasn't addressed the case he made on Malakittens, but Baby Spice's ISO is scummier. Between her entire time on the Malakittens wagon and her redirect to finding out people's rooms and whether they know who else is there with them, everything seems to come from a scum stance.

VOTE: Baby Spice

Now THAT is a good idea, with no possible scum motivation behind it.

[penguin_alien]

What was I supposed to address about my case?

Mostly that you made it, although I was ijnitially looking for shos's take on it. Here's the exchange:

shos, you said Jake from State Farm was OK, but his case on Malakittens overlapped a lot with your reaction test case. How does that reconcile for you?

Huh? I don't think you are reading the same game I am.

I'm talking about post #83; I'll link later if I'm not on a mobile device.

[Jake from State Farm]

my case had almost no resemblance to Shos's case.

Shos's case on mala revolves around her being defensive/overreacting.

My case is about her trying too hard to appear town.

[pirate mollie]

my case had almost no resemblance to Shos's case.

Shos's case on mala revolves around her being defensive/overreacting.

My case is about her trying too hard to appear town.

but she wasn't

that is why I have her as town

[shos]

penguin I disagree. claiming items is of no use for now. when we massclaim, scum will be forced into claiming that they used an item that scum actually had...

[Belisarius]

I still don't think claiming rooms are beneficial. If mafia know players haven't been in a certain room yet they will head there in chance there's an item.

Item drops are ramdomised, they're as likely to appear in a populated room as an unpopulated one.

Really not seeing a downside to moveclaims at this point.

[penguin_alien]

I still don't think claiming rooms are beneficial. If mafia know players haven't been in a certain room yet they will head there in chance there's an item.

Item drops are ramdomised, they're as likely to appear in a populated room as an unpopulated one.

Really not seeing a downside to moveclaims at this point.

Here's the problem with revealing rooms: scum can kill in their room or in adjacent rooms. This means that if one reveals location as Fountain or Gazebo, the only place to go the next night is the Courtyard, and even the next night said person is guaranteed to be killable from the Courtyard barring object interference. Those are the most egregious examples, but depending on where scum are, the adjacent thing pretty much leaves a lot of open targets with multiple scum alive. I'll reveal rooms for the night before last but not last night.

Basically, if scum is adjacent to an announced location, they can move there and shoot. Unless you mean claim where we start each night before moving. Which still leaves anyone in the locations above as sitting ducks. I will go with shos's stance that object claims aren't necessary at present.

[Jennifer]

I just thought of another reason we might not want to disclose items. Scum might have the ability to steal/swap an item with someone else. If not everyone has an item, then we might make scum waste an action trying to steal from someone with nothing to steal. So, if we do disclose items, I think it should be after the item is used, so that scum can't easily find where it is again.

[Malakittens]

That's an interesting thought by Jen. I have some ideas for the basic clue items, but I doubt they are the same. I played another clue game on a different forum, but we had less items, but what we did have were strong.

[guille2015]

I played another clue game on a different forum

Copycats. No offense.

[Malakittens]

I played another clue game on a different forum

Copycats. No offense.

Technically you

would be

the copycat.

[guille2015]

I played another clue game on a different forum

Copycats. No offense.

Technically you

would be

the copycat.

Time traveling copycats then.

[shos]

Lol guille

We should, btw, not let this distract us from lynching scumfuzzy..

I still think claim n0 pos alone.

[serrapaladin]

n0 pos and item use today, n1 pos and item use tomorrow. As I said like pages ago...

[penguin_alien]

To clarify, starting position for the previous night, not where we are? And this is just writing off the poor schmos who might have started in the Fountain or Gazebo?

[shos]

WHY ITEM USE SERRA DAMMIT

[penguin_alien]

If we claim using an item for its intended purpose, we can't have killed. Especially if we have to claim results from doing so.

[Belisarius]

But we also give away the

capabilities

of those items much earlier.

[shos]

clearly everyone will claim to have used the item for its intended purpose. I'm assuming fabricating results should not be hard.

pedit: Beli is right.

[penguin_alien]

Which keeps scum from lying about them. Since they're randomized in location after use, this doesn't help scum. It becomes hard to fabricate results if you're limited geographically WRT targets.

[Belisarius]

Which keeps scum from lying about them.

...and inevitably getting caught when a townie picks up the item and discovers its

real

use.