MS Fantasy Camp 2: Reaper's Tale! (Finished!)

[Zdenek]

Oops. Timmy gives out his card during the day anyway, so that's irrelevant.

[Nero Cain]

Has he given out his card yet?

[Zdenek]

I don't think so. Probably hold off on hammering until then.

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 5, VC 7

Tim Howard - (4):

Cerulean, Untrod Tripod, Nobody Special, xRECKONERx

Nobody Special - (1):

Tim Howard

Not voting - (4):

Zdenek, Plum, Flipping Awesome,

Nero Cain

With

9

alive it takes

5

to lynch.
Deadline for Day 5:

18th of June at 9:45pm

Irish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-06-18 16:45:21)

Nero Cain is V/la[/area]

[Tim Howard]

Card sent

[xRECKONERx]

As far as xReckx himself, this is the first game I'm playing with him barring a pretty old game where he replaced in as scum just as I got lynched and we never interacted. Reading through his games as an observer didn't give me any sort of handle on his meta so I'm mostly factoring in your read there. How likely do you think that he would change up his meta in a game where a lot of people are aware of it? If he played the apathetic townie shtick, it wouldn't work when a lot of players know about it so he would have to change it up.

Can you please point out the "lots of people" that are aware of my meta in this game?

[xRECKONERx]

Also, what game did I replace in as scum, FA?

[Flipping Awesome]

I'd guess Nacho, Tammy, and Tierce for a start since they were in RW.

You replaced into this one.

[Flipping Awesome]

Okay, don't hammer yet. I want to say something before I hammer and I'm waiting for Cerulean to show up.

[Nero Cain]

TH, did you send me a card?

[Cerulean]

What's up falcon?

[Flipping Awesome]

Hey, so if you trust me as town, and IF Tim Howard flips scum, target me tonight with your night actions if you have any.

[Cerulean]

Will it give me black goo?

[Cerulean]

oh i wouldn't get black goo just go cult. shame on you for trying to cult me!

[Flipping Awesome]

No, it is good stuff, don't worry about it.

[Flipping Awesome]

Is Faraday known for using cults/recruiters/stuff that changes alignments btw?

[Flipping Awesome]

Lost Butterfly I mean of course.

[Cerulean]

I was joking. Black goo is a role in greater idea.

There are no cults. I don't know if he uses those roles; he never has in a game he's modded that I've played in. Once he co-modded a game in which the scum team could choose to convert someone to be their traitor (they chose Regfan night one ha!), but I don't think he especially enjoys games with alignment changes. At least I remember him expressing frustration during a cult game we played at Westeros, but that's more because he gets most of his reads early and doesn't really track slight changes in game play. (That's how I remember it, but that game was like two years ago and I don't even close to having the time right now to hunt to make sure I'm getting that right, though I'm sure I am.)

So, I'd say no.

[Flipping Awesome]

Ah, okay. I was getting rather paranoid about there being alignment changing roles since the game really, really isn't making any sense to me at this point. But okay, I'm hammering unless there's anything else.

[Flipping Awesome]

I mean, I'm not sure what the number of scum would be with eighteen players either. Cabd used four scum in seventeen for Tales of You and Empire used four scum in twenty in NY169 so I am assuming four makes the most amount of sense with the even number of players to account for Katsuki's vengeful kill.

[Cerulean]

Yeah, I had pretty much assumed that. I think chamber said earlier that 3 was too few and 5 was too much? But I just looked at ASoIaF, and in a 25 player game there were 5 full scum and one traitor. In the pop princess upick at Westeros, there were four scum for I'm pretty sure 16 people. So, yeah that sounds about right.

[Flipping Awesome]

Okay, makes sense. This lynch still feels bad and something feels off. Who could be scum with Tim though? We know it isn't Zdenek or Nero Cain. I've re-read the game and I am 100% sure your D1 and D2 play is impossible to come from scum-you especially the part where you call me out and try to figure me out aggressively and I'd be bamboozled if you are on a team with Kanye.

That leaves {UT, Reck, Tim, Plum, NS}

I can't make heads or tails out of NS except I think he would kill you at some point if he was scum? NS/Tim would definitely have killed you. Tim and Plum? I don't get why they'd kill Shadoweh. To frame us? And the Chamber kill to frame both you and us? Plum did come out attacking me so it isn't impossible. What if it is Tim and UT or Tim and Reckoner? That would make some sort of sense. Reck busses Tim and coasts on your townread. Reck and UT? That's what makes the most sense. I doubt it is Reck and Plum since Plum is pushing on Reck although her lack of vote is troubling. Lack of a Cerulean NK would be explained by Reck wanting to keep you alive and Plum being okay with it. It is definitely not Plum and UT the way Plum went after UT during D2. The problem though with Plum is that she reminded me of Penguin in Tales. I walled about Penguin during Wicked and we actually discussed it in our hydra QT about how her scumplay is different from her townplay. I obviously couldn't say it in Tales because it was part of our hydra discussion in THIS game which was ongoing but I knew there that the switch in her was about what we had discussed here. So, Plum making a case on UT and pushing hard made me think she did it because I pointed out during D1 that Plum as town pushes harder on scumspects.

[Flipping Awesome]

Tim Howard not providing any reads worries me though. If they are town, I'd expect some sort of reaction to being mislynched, call some people on their wagon scum etc. But then I'd expect them to do it as scum too and do more than send a card and die quietly unless they think their buddy is in a great position to continue on and win the game.

[Tim Howard]

If I had reads, I'd give them to you. :/ I've been reading and trying to pick up anything at all and am just getting nothing from this game.

[Tim Howard]

I'm voting for Nobody Special primarily because he's provided 0 content for the entire game and will continue to provide 0 content, and thus remain completely unreadable, whereas other people might actually do something readable in the future.