BLOODBORNE MAFIA - GAME OVER

[Randomnamechange]

Fire Assassin was an early town read, I disassociated Liger with that read at some point yesterday. I didn't like Liger pushing the RI Huntmaster thing, but that's about all I remember from why I moved him to scum.

I had Bogre as a scum read pretty much the entirety of Day 1, but was on Patches for the majority. Resistance to my vote caused me to move to Bogre when I mentioned distaste of the other 3 leading wagons, but I thought I was on Bogre with at least one other person at the time. When I realized I was the only person voting for Bogre, I went back to Patches since it had at least one other person on it and I still didn't like the other leading wagons. The next time I saw Bogre in the lead, I got back on again. I post in this thread on average once per day, though I do keep up with the posts by reading them at work or on my commute while on my phone. By the time I had gotten back to my vote on Bogre, a lot had transpired.

Nahdia started as a low scum read early on, but she's grown on me, and I have other "reasons" for not wanting to get rid of her yet.

That answer all the questions?

Still haven't explained why your read on me changed.

[Heuristic_Arrow]

IN OLD YHARNAM, A HUNTER SHOOTS AT YOU WITH A GATLING GUN! PROCEEDING THROUGH THE LEVEL NORMALLY USUALLY CULMINATES IN A DIFFICULT FIGHT WITH THIS HUNTER.
HOWEVER, IF YOU DO NOT KILL HIM AND INSTEAD ENTER OLD YHARNAM FROM THE DOORS FOUND AFTER THE DARKBEAST PAARL BOSS FIGHT, YOU CAN APPROACH HIM AND HE WILL BE FRIENDLY, OFFERING ADVICE, GESTURES, AND USEFUL ITEMS.

Or, you know, you could not fight him after going through Old Yharnam normally, and still be fine to get all his goodies after Darkbeast Paarl and still have killed the Blood-starved Beast for access to the Healing Church areas earlier.

V: You need to defeat the Blood-Starved Beast anyway. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure you can't run into the bagmen that bring you to Hypogean Gaol. I suppose you could wait until far, far later in the game when you visit The Unseen City, too. You also don't have to fight Blood Starved Beast to access the Healing Church areas--just beat the Cleric Beast and purchase the Hunter Chief Emblem.

Mixed I think I might be a good choice for Huntmaster for next round.

You need to prove yourself first by being on a scum lynch today. Backing out from Bogre yesterday did you no favors, but your actions from here on out may yet redeem you.

Scum have more reason than any to bus their useless buddies though. Honestly, I'd almost say that anyone completely hesitant to join on the Bogre wagon may have greater likelihood of actually

earning

town points. Plus, there was almost assuredly scum on the wagon considering the Monocle was purchased (which costs more than what should have cost more than had likely been earned at that point).


These were the end of day votes yesterday...
Xkfyu, Randomidget, Ranger, Hastur and Muriel, Toogeloo, Almost50, Sensei, Reasonably Irrational, Rylai and Lina (BLOODLETTER), Nahdia, Shinobi, Mixed6

Remove Sensei because he died.
Also remove Reasonably Irrational, Mixed6, Rylai and Lina (maybe), Ranger, and Klingoncelt for purchasing items and that leaves us with...

Xkfyu (House), Randomidget, Hastur and Muriel, Toogeloo, Almost50, Nahdia, and Shinobi.

I personally feel we should be lynching from this group.

My heirarchy from least desired lynch to most desired lynch would be...

Toogeloo
Nahdia
Almost50
Shinobi
Randomidget
Xkfyu
Hastur and Muriel

Vote: Hastur and Muriel

I agree with this assessment. I think the people we should also be looking at are H_arrow and Gee Willikers both of them didn't vote anyone.

1) My head was V/LA the entire time
2) The hydra apparently never got activated during that time, so the other head didn't realize they couldn't post with their regular acct.
~Arrow

[Nahdia]

Secret reasons, I presume?

Mhm. You have your secret too.

-Cerb

This is completely different from Nahdia who was flip flopping around, saying "oh Varsoon said we shouldn't lynch Bogre" "oh but I want the rewards" "Oh but I think we should wait for replacement" "OK I will vote"

pretty much an accurate assessment. /shrug i can appreciate getting a bit of pressure for that but what it comes down to in the end is i didn't really have much faith in the wagon but i dont ever want to be off a lynch wagon if i can help it.

[wgeurts]

@Varsoon, could you replace/remove this head of Gee Willikers?

I'm really sorry about this, I've got too much crap going on right now and it's stripped mafia of its joy. I usually play these games as an exciting challenge, enjoying them. However due to some IRL stuff they've become more of a burden. I've barely done anything here for a while, and this lack of contribution and engagement isn't how I want to play games. Varsoon has made a beautiful setup, as he is great at doing, I hope to possibly play together with some of you in the future when I've resolved some things.

Once again, my apologies for this all.

[Dwlee99]

Sorry to see you go, wgeurts
good luck with what's going on irl

It's much better to face these kinds of things with a sense of poison rationality.

omg dont mess up one of my fave songs. it is POISE AND RATIONALITY
/random post
yo, so, realistically irrational person is patches the spider a person or naw m9?

[Nahdia]

You would know that, u freakin emo

[House]

That answer all the questions?

Toog,

Midget went from a town read to one of your top three desired lynches. Why?

[Dwlee99]

You would know that, u freakin emo

Hey there is nothing wrong with that! Actually though I have been feeling happy since friday morning despite being super stressed. I just need to get through all my projects, presentations, finals and BLEH okay RI I NEED MY QUESTION ANSWERED O-O

[Shadow_step]

Does anyone think Bogre was bussed yesterday for the echoes or town creds even?
If yes, who and why?
If no, then you think everyone stayed off the wagon?

Seeing as he was the daughter of Kos, he was quite an important member(more than others) of he scum team(assuming), they wouldn't have wanted him gone so early.

Nahdia, can you answer this^

[Shadow_step]

Anyone wanna join my nightmare?

Was this just another example of trolling or did anyone actually get added.
Can anyone confirm?

[Nahdia]

You would know that, u freakin emo

Hey there is nothing wrong with that! Actually though I have been feeling happy since friday morning despite being super stressed. I just need to get through all my projects, presentations, finals and BLEH okay RI I NEED MY QUESTION ANSWERED O-O

I'll avoid answering for them but why are you asking that to RI in particular?

Does anyone think Bogre was bussed yesterday for the echoes or town creds even?
If yes, who and why?
If no, then you think everyone stayed off the wagon?

Seeing as he was the daughter of Kos, he was quite an important member(more than others) of he scum team(assuming), they wouldn't have wanted him gone so early.

Nahdia, can you answer this^

scum probably didn't drive the wagon which is why I'm fairly sure Mixed6 is town coming out of that. but like everyone else they want to be on the wagon so it's not unlikely they joined somewhere along the way. I'm not looking at the wagon rn bc phone posting

Why do you want my answer in particular?

[Toogeloo]

Still haven't explained why your read on me changed.

I wouldn't say it's really changed. I think you are oversimplifying the hierarchy of the list. You are still fairly high on my town read, as was most everyone above you. Maybe it would have helped if I had put a fairly large gap between you and House's slot? I did that post from a strictly analytical point of view as well. Nahdia isn't a bigger town read than you for example, she's just not someone I want to lynch at this very moment for "reasons."

[Dwlee99]

CAUSE REASONABLY IRRATIONAL IS IMPORTANTTTT

[Toogeloo]

V: You need to defeat the Blood-Starved Beast anyway. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure you can't run into the bagmen that bring you to Hypogean Gaol. I suppose you could wait until far, far later in the game when you visit The Unseen City, too. You also don't have to fight Blood Starved Beast to access the Healing Church areas--just beat the Cleric Beast and purchase the Hunter Chief Emblem.

IIRC, the Blood Starved Beast and all of Old Yharnam is actually optional. You could buy access to Vicar Amelia for 20k Echoes and proceed through the game normally in that manner.

[Nahdia]

CAUSE REASONABLY IRRATIONAL IS IMPORTANTTTT

soooo.... reasons?

[Shinobi]

In other news, I somehow confused Liger with Ranger, irt not sharing info.

Weird.

UNVOTE:

Do you feel differently about Ranger for some reason or another? You were fine voting Toog but never followed up with Ranger iirc.

[Dwlee99]

CAUSE REASONABLY IRRATIONAL IS IMPORTANTTTT

soooo.... reasons?

YES

[Daenerys and Dragons]

Good Question.

Read posts 25 and 99.

Oh I guess that's reasonable

One thing that I find odd is the Cosmo who was killed N0 btw; no one seemed to think anything about that.

Do you think the death was preplanned/unavoidable, or do you think someone vigged that player? I haven't noticed anyone bring it up yet.

Also, the flips make me strongly think there is either a Janitor or Reviver type role in this game.
~Arrow

99% sure that was a pre-planned flip, not caused by anything like a Vig

VOTE: Mixed

This is where I am at right now tbh.

Finished 17.

Town: (Yume), Reasonable, Dragon, Ranger
Lean Town: Gee, Xk, Sensei, Nahdia
Neutral Town: Rylai, Toog
Null: Fire, Random, Peregine
Neutral Scum: Shadow, Shinobi
Lean Scum: Patches, Mixed
Scum: Zuffy, Almost, Bogre

~Arrow

This is gonna take forever if you keep dropping these so often. Try to do like 10 or so pages between readslist drops.

A50 is also almost certainly town.

Just sayin.

Also, HA: if Mixed6 is familiar with Nahdia and her play/speech patterns, why wouldn't he take it as genuine? I took it as genuine because of my familiarity with her tones.

-Cerb

Can you go into Almost50 as town? I have them more as null.

I know this wasn't aimed at me but Almost getting rid of Rylai and Lina and ending the gladiate is a super pro-town move and scum had no reason to do that.

-Dragons

[Daenerys and Dragons]

In other news, I somehow confused Liger with Ranger, irt not sharing info.

Weird.

UNVOTE:

How did you mix these two up?

Mixed you guys think Liger avoiding the Bogre lynch and trying to support the slot was town?

-Dragons

[Daenerys and Dragons]

Sorry to see you go, wgeurts
good luck with what's going on irl

It's much better to face these kinds of things with a sense of poison rationality.

omg dont mess up one of my fave songs. it is POISE AND RATIONALITY
/random post
yo, so, realistically irrational person is patches the spider a person or naw m9?

You would know that, u freakin emo

Hey there is nothing wrong with that! Actually though I have been feeling happy since friday morning despite being super stressed. I just need to get through all my projects, presentations, finals and BLEH okay RI I NEED MY QUESTION ANSWERED O-O

CAUSE REASONABLY IRRATIONAL IS IMPORTANTTTT

CAUSE REASONABLY IRRATIONAL IS IMPORTANTTTT

soooo.... reasons?

YES

I wasn't really sure about Gee Willikers but these posts by Dwlee are confirming my earlier suspicions. Need to hear Lilith's read on this slot.

Also we aren't interested in a Nahdia lynch. Toog is fine though.

-Dragons

[House]

Still haven't explained why your read on me changed.

I wouldn't say it's really changed. I think you are oversimplifying the hierarchy of the list. You are still fairly high on my town read, as was most everyone above you. Maybe it would have helped if I had put a fairly large gap between you and House's slot? I did that post from a strictly analytical point of view as well. Nahdia isn't a bigger town read than you for example, she's just not someone I want to lynch at this very moment for "reasons."

You'd rather lynch three town reads over a scum read for 'reasons'.

Sounds legit.

[House]

In other news, I somehow confused Liger with Ranger, irt not sharing info.

Weird.

UNVOTE:

Do you feel differently about Ranger for some reason or another? You were fine voting Toog but never followed up with Ranger iirc.

When did I vote Toog, again?

I didn't put my vote on anyone after my identity confusion because I clearly don't have a handle on the game state yet.

[House]

In other news, I somehow confused Liger with Ranger, irt not sharing info.

Weird.

UNVOTE:

How did you mix these two up?

Mixed you guys think Liger avoiding the Bogre lynch and trying to support the slot was town?

-Dragons

I was reading Liger's ISO but I was still bothered about Ranger's secrecy because it seems counterproductive.

Not the first time I've confused myself, won't be the last.

[House]

I know this wasn't aimed at me but Almost getting rid of Rylai and Lina and ending the gladiate is a super pro-town move and scum had no reason to do that.

-Dragons

That was my knee jerk reaction, but since they had already used their ability yesterday, they might have done it to avoid future scrutiny down the road.

Of course, Almost could have claimed non-consecutive, but it'd have tied their hands down the road... but still, I think it was more pro-town than manipulation.

[House]

Finished 17.

Town: (Yume), Reasonable, Dragon, Ranger
Lean Town: Gee, Xk, Sensei, Nahdia
Neutral Town: Rylai, Toog
Null: Fire, Random, Peregine
Neutral Scum: Shadow, Shinobi
Lean Scum: Patches, Mixed
Scum: Zuffy, Almost, Bogre

~Arrow

Please explain how Toog is neutral town to you, considering his worthlessness d1 and his redonkulously inconsistent lynch preferences.