[OLD] Open Setup Discussion and Nominations

[animorpherv1]

Choose a role Mafia

12 players, Day start.


Each player gives me a role, a descrition, and a player who he/she wants to give the role too If someone gets 2+, then they get to choose someone who doesn't have a role yet to give it to, etc, untill everyone has a role. At this point, I will place all the roles down (if there is too many mafia, then I will tell some people to make a town/3rd party role, same goes for town, but 3rd party is optional, and has a max of 2 roles.)

Players then confirm, and continue as normal.

[Wall-E]

So on round 1 are there no roles assigned? Or are they assigned prior to D1 start?

[shaft.ed]

This will not qualify as a standard game.

Carry on.

[Mr. Flay]

Yeah, uPick used to be a common variant on scumchat and several forum games have been played successfully in the model, but it's not really anything like an 'Open Setup'.

[animorpherv1]

So on round 1 are there no roles assigned? Or are they assigned prior to D1 start?

assigned prior to D1 start

[animorpherv1]

Yeah, uPick used to be a common variant on scumchat and several forum games have been played successfully in the model, but it's not really anything like an 'Open Setup'.

Then would this be mini Normal or mini Theme?

I'd rather a mini normal, because I can't mod a mintheme atm (I think)

[Wall-E]

So it would go like this:

Player A: Make B the cop.
Player B: Make A the cop.
Player C: Make B the cop.
Player D: Make B the cop.
Player E: Make C the cop.
Player F: Make C the cop.

Therefore: B is the cop? Or it's now between B and C?

[popsofctown]

Paris Mafia

3 Mafia Goons
2 Mime Goons (Both mimes must die by lynching in order for the Mime Goons to win -- they share a NK)
2 Vigs
2 Cops
4 Townies

I nominate this, i would actually play it. (whether or not anyone agrees to the changes i would like):
I think Mime Goon victory should cause the other players to lose.
Mime Goons should probably die once they've wiffed their win condition.. too many things could go wrong with a limbo player.

[animorpherv1]

So it would go like this:

Player A: Make B the cop.
Player B: Make A the cop.
Player C: Make B the cop.
Player D: Make B the cop.
Player E: Make C the cop.
Player F: Make C the cop.

Therefore: B is the cop? Or it's now between B and C?

A,B and C would be cops.

B & C would say to give role X (i this case cop) to either D or E.

I weould have made 1 person change their role to make it a scum role, though.

[shaft.ed]

I weould have made 1 person change their role to make it a scum role, though.

role =\ alignment

[Adel]

Paris Mafia

3 Mafia Goons
2 Mime Goons (Both mimes must die by lynching in order for the Mime Goons to win -- they share a NK)
2 Vigs
2 Cops
4 Townies

I nominate this, i would actually play it. (whether or not anyone agrees to the changes i would like):
I think Mime Goon victory should cause the other players to lose.
Mime Goons should probably die once they've wiffed their win condition.. too many things could go wrong with a limbo player.

After thinking about it for a few days, I agree.

Paris Mafia

3 Mafia Goons
2 Mimes (investigate as "innocent", share a nk)
2 Vigs
2 Cops
4 Townies

Day start.

If both Mimes die by lynching, both the mafia and the town lose. If a Mime is killed by NK the other one suicides.

[Korts]

Do they still share a NK in the revised version?

[Adel]

yes, sorry

[Korts]

okay.

nominate

then, it's a good setup.

[shaft.ed]

okay.

nominate

then, it's a good setup.

second

[Kinetic]

Paris Mafia

3 Mafia Goons
2 Mime Goons (Both mimes must die by lynching in order for the Mime Goons to win -- they share a NK)
2 Vigs
2 Cops
4 Townies

I nominate this, i would actually play it. (whether or not anyone agrees to the changes i would like):
I think Mime Goon victory should cause the other players to lose.
Mime Goons should probably die once they've wiffed their win condition.. too many things could go wrong with a limbo player.

After thinking about it for a few days, I agree.

Paris Mafia

3 Mafia Goons
2 Mimes (investigate as "innocent", share a nk)
2 Vigs
2 Cops
4 Townies

Day start.

If both Mimes die by lynching, both the mafia and the town lose. If a Mime is killed by NK the other one suicides.

The only issue I sort of have with this is that the Mimes investigate innocent. Sort of makes it if you find one "innocent" between the two cops that they can't win. Plus three kills out there for effectively a lover-scum group, makes it seem like they're really underpowered.

Maybe only one investigates innocent the other investigates guilty? Like a Drama/Comedy Mime. Drama Mime investigates guilty, Comedy Mime investigates innocent?

Maybe make it more interesting where the Cops are Comedy Cop and Drama Cop, so that the Drama Cop finds the Drama Mime innocent and the Comedy Mime guilty while the Comedy Cop finds the Drama Mime guilty and the Comedy Mime innocent.

[PokerFace]

The only issue I sort of have with this is that the Mimes investigate innocent. Sort of makes it if you find one "innocent" between the two cops that they can't win. Plus three kills out there for effectively a lover-scum group, makes it seem like they're really underpowered.

I agree with this part but am uncertain of best fix

Mime's would be like a loser mafia group.

[Caboose]

Just to make sure people can see it:

Vengeful Mafia Revamped

Daystart

2 Mafia (no NK)
1 Serial Killer
4 Vengeful Townies (only have vengeful kill D1)

[Max]

I think that game would be better if the following occurred: and make 1 player a day vig, ergo if one person is non-nkable then they must be killed during day

2 Mimes (1 GF (turns up guilty), 1 Non-NKable)

[popsofctown]

Make one mime a doctor, and if that's not enough the other a roleblocker.

The doctor effectively has a bulletproof partner unless he dies first. But if his bulletproof partner is lynched, it gets interesting, he can start using his protects to just stall the game (he loses if the last scum is NKed and there are other uses that might come up for the protect).

That sounds like more than enough help to me, but a role block is an option too.

[Kinetic]

Make one mime a doctor, and if that's not enough the other a roleblocker.

The doctor effectively has a bulletproof partner unless he dies first. But if his bulletproof partner is lynched, it gets interesting, he can start using his protects to just stall the game (he loses if the last scum is NKed and there are other uses that might come up for the protect).

That sounds like more than enough help to me, but a role block is an option too.

That's just a bullet-proof roleblocker mime. They're lovers, so making a doctor is odd.

[Fiasco]

ready aim mafia

(12 players, day start)

4 scum RAF vigs
8 town RAF vigs

you die at night IF AND ONLY IF (you are shot at and you don't shoot at yourself) OR (you shoot at yourself and you are not shot at by anyone else) OR (you shoot at someone else who shoots at himself)

maybe make all night targets public or add more townies?

[popsofctown]

no, it's not the same. If the non-doc mime dies by lynching, then the other is no longer NK protected. The roleblocker was a possible thing for the other mime, not necessary.

Remember, they are only lovers if they die by NK (otherwise they can't win, ever)

[farside22]

reading the mime game I agree with shaft. I think it needs a few more tweaks for it to be balanced.

[Adel]

reading the mime game I agree with shaft. I think it needs a few more tweaks for it to be balanced.

Any suggestions?