orcinus_theoriginal
(15:31)
i saw your message in bolt games hq
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:31)
are you all right
Natirasha
(15:31)
?
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:31)
are you all right
Natirasha
(15:32)
Yes.
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:32)
then why would you post something like 'don't be a jackass'
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:32)
does it feel to you like i'm being a jackass?
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:33)
i mean here i am investing effort into a game you are moderating
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:33)
and i asked for clarification on a rule
Natirasha
(15:33)
My ruleset is pretty vague on things
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:33)
and then you give me "don't be a jackass"
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:33)
i mean so not only do you call me a jackass
Natirasha
(15:33)
I tend to give my players lot of leeway to know what is appropriate in regard to gamestate themselves
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:33)
you also refuse to give me the information i'm asking for
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:34)
right ok i think this appropriate, which means you and i disagree on his notion
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:34)
which means as the moderator
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:34)
you need to tell me
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:34)
what is appropriate
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:34)
and what is not
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:34)
which is incidentally why i asked you if you were feeling all right because this shouldn't be something i have to explain to you
Natirasha
(15:34)
I'm fine with outside knowledge being used, but ciphers are a grey area
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:34)
right
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:34)
so you need to tell me what is and is not allowed wrt encryption
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:34)
because i think it's something very valuable that i'd like to use
Natirasha
(15:35)
I don't know what would or wouldn't be!
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:35)
and you expect me to?
Natirasha
(15:35)
Ask me beforehand
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:35)
ok
Natirasha
(15:35)
'I know it when I see it'
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:35)
fery and i have had numerous talks about stuff
Natirasha
(15:35)
Ovrnight, yes
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:35)
that's the point of fucking rules, nati
Natirasha
(15:35)
when I was sleeping
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:35)
no
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:35)
in skype, about other things
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:35)
would it be fair for me to reference that
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:35)
for instance
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:35)
yesterday you talked to me about X and X
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:36)
would this be a fair thing to allude to
Natirasha
(15:36)
I mean if you're talking about the game outside of your private topics, thats a pretty clear violation of the rules
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:36)
not this fucking game nati
Natirasha
(15:36)
But if it's like, 'Hye, yesterday we were talking about shoes on skype'
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:36)
that would be ok?
Natirasha
(15:37)
I guess thats fine, but don't push it.
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:37)
what do you mean by push
Natirasha
(15:37)
And dont fucking play timestamp mafia
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:37)
this is very frustrating for me nati because you need to be more clear on what you mean
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:37)
because i don't think you eve nknow what you mean
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:37)
like 'if you use it once it's ok but the line is drawn at four times'?
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:38)
like here, i'll give you a few sample rules that you can use to append #13
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:38)
and this is necessary because you and i are disagreeing on what is reasonable and what is/isn't a jackass thing
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:38)
and instead of being modkilled i would highly prefer you actually make these rules clear to me
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:38)
which is, y'know, part of your job as a mod
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:39)
-do not use the specific wording of out of thread communication in any way. content can be used freely
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:40)
-don't use encryptoin
Natirasha
(15:42)
I don't want to forthright ban encryption for a number of reasons
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:42)
ok
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:42)
then set parameters on out of thread encryption pelase
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:46)
alternatively i still don't understand how what we were doing violates rule 13
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:47)
considering we were never quoting this communication
Natirasha
(15:50)
You dont see how using timestamps is out-of-game context?
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:50)
oh you edited rule 13, ok good
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:51)
what o you mean by "other such things"
Natirasha
(15:51)
>really just ask me if something's okay
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:51)
i just did!!!
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:51)
and then you replied wiht a "ok, but don't push it"
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:52)
what the fuck does pushing it entail!!
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:52)
you are making this much more difficult than it needs to be because you're not being decisive
Natirasha
(15:53)
Because everything's grey
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:53)
if you modkill me this game without warning
Natirasha
(15:53)
I have literally never had issues with my ruleset since I first used it
Natirasha
(15:53)
I'm not?
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:53)
this will be a very public shitstorm
Natirasha
(15:53)
I fully expect you to give zoroaster a negative review already
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:53)
this is also the first game you've had where people have NEEDED to encrypt
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:53)
this is not me nati
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:54)
this is wha the game mechanic supports
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:54)
so i'm going to ask one last time
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:54)
what does "pushing it" entail
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:55)
if you do not answer this in a definitive, decisive sense i am going to proceed with what i see fit and what i am motivated by these game mechanics to do
Natirasha
(15:55)
Just use some insight and have me review what you intend!
Natirasha
(15:55)
to post
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:55)
nati
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:55)
you aren't even online to post VCs
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:55)
i'm not running every post by you
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:56)
i can give you a list of things i intend to do
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:56)
and you can tell me if they are ok/not ok
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:56)
do not tell me "ok but don't push it" because that doesn't actually say anything
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:57)
i intend to ask fery about our skype conversation yesterday regarding a specific game and a specific person and put concatonate those words to create a vigenete cypher
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:57)
i intend to ask cabd about some real life things that we've done, concatenate the answers to those questions and create a cypher
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:57)
we will use this cypher and the corresponding key to communicate
orcinus_theoriginal
(15:57)
is this ok
Natirasha
(16:03)
I am consulting with my other moderator
Natirasha
(16:03)
s
Natirasha
(16:03)
please hold
orcinus_theoriginal
(16:03)
ok
orcinus_theoriginal
(16:07)
i'm glad i had the foresight to reject your offer of reviewing everything i post
Natirasha
(16:09)
We're going with precedent set forth from this thread
Natirasha
(16:09)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=37899
Natirasha
(16:09)
'do not violate the spirit of the game'
Natirasha
(16:09)
Which is a no
Natirasha
(16:10)
To pretty much any real-life based cryptography'
orcinus_theoriginal
(16:10)
then what kind of encryption is allowed
Natirasha
(16:10)
Very little!
Natirasha
(16:11)
Things planned in game-specific private topics
Natirasha
(16:11)
Like if you and ffery had a signal
Natirasha
(16:11)
that you set up there
orcinus_theoriginal
(16:11)
so real-life based cryptography is a no
orcinus_theoriginal
(16:11)
how about based on previous games
Natirasha
(16:11)
or, things that everyone in the game has access to
Natirasha
(16:12)
Like if you referenced a mafia discussion thread
orcinus_theoriginal
(16:12)
ok
orcinus_theoriginal
(16:12)
solid