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[killerjester]

For the record, I prefer crumbing miller D1.

Yes, preferably we want miller to be nightkilled. But PoPP isn't necessarily miller. It's not the claim that makes him scummy, I view the claim as null. It's just part of his play that I'm not entirely comfortable with. It's also worth noting that I feel his claim shouldn't be used to gauge how far into the game PoPP lives. I mean, sure, I can understand that the bottom line is we don't want the miller in LyLo. But all this talk about the vig shooting him

solely

based on the miller claim, or putting off a PoPP lynch

solely

based on the miller claim. If he has good, constructive town play, we'll keep him around. If he's acting scummy, he dies. The same could be said for anyone.

Lupo, bbstar, and PoPP would be my top 3 at the moment, in no particular order.

[pappums rat]

We have already lynched someone, right now we are talking about vigging pecanpie to free up a lynch that would otherwise have to be targeted at him.

Um... not we haven't.

I don't see the miller claim as scummy at all. One of the prevailing strategies is that millers are supposed to D1 claim. I see no reason to focus on it. Just ignore it an evaluate Pie on everything else. It only matters later on. For example, if it turns out we have no cop? Then he's toast. His miller claim should neither protect him nor condemn him.

Do me a favor and learn how to read English, then come back and re-read my ISO. This also goes to anyone else who thinks I am talking about having pecanpie vigged due to his claim. My reasons for wanting him dead have nothing to do with his claim of miller. Reading is tech, braj.

[pieceofpecanpie]

pecanpie's #337 is a load of WIFOM bullshit.

And your case...?

Of course it is not in town's best interest to lynch or vig town, BUT BY NO FUCKING MEANS ARE YOU CONFIRMED TOWN. You claiming that you are confirmed town WAS scummy and you trumping up your miller claim as a reason to think you are town WAS scummy as well. You saying you are trying to LOOK town WAS scummy as well.

...your case is a load of WIFOM bullshit.

So no, I am not saying your miller claim is reason to have you vigged as you are trying to misrep me as saying.

Oookaaay...

You're asking a vig to kill me...

Yes, as a matter of fact I am. It would take care of a scummy claimed miller and would free up a lynch that would otherwise have to target you before LYLO. As far as Im concerned that is the best course of action to take after the things that went down over the last few pages.

Sure whatever you say Captain Bullshit.

If we have a vig in the game, the number one candidate is pappums rat.

He is a record player stuck on loop.

Is his position good townplay? Nope.

Is it good scumplay? Attracting that much attention by rehashing the same thing again and again, not really.

But hell why not tunnel someone on threadbare reasons and thank the so-called vig gods for fulfilling your wishes when they do deliver. Good way to distance yourself from your role, no?

[pieceofpecanpie]

Looking at players thus far.

Nobody Special

- Lurking for genuine reason and then lurking for (no?) reason. Wagon formed on him was fishy, so leaning town on him because of it, but unhelpful town at that.

Lupo

- Real lurker-sauce last few days. Possible association with Hellhound. Probable scum.

basketballstar

- Dubious play towards the end of the day, keen for Hellhound lynch to go through, but his own motivation is murky. Possible scum.

pappums rat

- Either a particularly zealous breed of town or likely vig candidate. Hard to separate my perspective from the tunneling he's been doing, but actions do not fit well with scumplay.

Melmond

- Null. Hasn't stepped too far out in either scumhunting or looking scummy.

killerjester

- Possible association with Cheery Dog from previous slot, could be an accident. Is happy to fan suspicions, but plays it safe when it comes to wagons or lynches. Suspicious player, potential scum.

triangle

- Leaning town.

Cheery Dog

- Ridiculous early game, takes initiative with a "reaction test", but doesn't follow his own leads. Chimes in with others and generates suspicions with little follow through. Suspect player, potential scum.

Idiotking

- Null. Not overly active, hasn't made an impact beyond hammering Hellhound.

Paschendale

- Leaning town.

Kublai Khan

- Leaning town.

Hellhound/ChannelDelibird

- The lynchee. Replacement said unfortunately little, despite an extended twilight giving ample opportunity.

[pappums rat]

I wouldnt have to keep saying the same thing over and over if people werent illiterate and could actually understand the words I am typing as to why I called on a vig to kill you. It would also help if you would not misrep me as to this reason as well. And I never said I had a "case" on you, I just gave reasons why it would be better if you were vigged rather than waste a lynch on you. I will admit that this is probably not good play to keep at it, but when you are this obstinate and other players are this pants on head, it kind of gets to me.

[pieceofpecanpie]

Obstinate? I would much rather be focused on the gameplay of others than defending myself against your vitriolic dribble.

[ChaosOmega]

Vote Count 1.09

ChannelDelibird (7) - pappums rat, triangle123, pieceofpecanpie, Paschendale, Melmond, Cheery Dog, Idiotking
Lupo (3) - Kublai Khan, basketballstar24, killerjester
Nobody Special (2) - ChannelDelibird, Lupo
triangle123 (1) - Nobody Special

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

A lynch has been reached!

ChannelDelibird,

town vigilante

, was lynched Day 1.

It is now Night 1. The deadline for Night 1 is exactly 3 days from this post.

[ChaosOmega]

Everyone wakes up and...that's it. Everyone wakes up.

No one was killed Night 1

It is now Day 2. With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is exactly 2 weeks from this post.

[Cheery Dog]

VOTE: Basketballstar24

While my theory may have been wrong about you being scum with hellhound, it doesn't prove that you're still not scum yourself.

[pappums rat]

First off, I would just like to apologize for my actions late yesterday, playing like I did was FUCKING HORRIBLE PLAY and it shouldnt have happened.

My reads at this point:

Town:

triangle123

Probably/Maybe Town:

Cheery Dog - claim
Killer Jester - overall townie-mindset play (strongest townread based on play in this category)
Kublai Khan - overall townie-mindset play
Melmond - I dont see scum motivation in his posts

Other:

pecanpie - miller claim
Nobody Special - hasnt said enough to come to a conclusion either way

I could see as Scum:

Paschendale - late on the HH wagon and gut
Idiotking - hammered CDB w/o letting him claim or catch up. I know I said it didnt matter to me if he was lynched w/o these things, but I didnt feel Idiotking had enough suspicion of him to hammer in that fashion.

Best chance at Scum:

basketballstar24 - very WTF scummy posting late yesterday
Lupo - scummy counterwagon to HH

Lupo and Hellhound were counterwagons to each other, so for the moment at least I am going to:

Vote: Lupo

[Paschendale]

BBS: Minimal posting, even less content. He has ONE vote after RVS and this is his given reason.

Thanks. I see how he is scummy. He waffled over L-1 vote, as killerjester had a good point: he changed his opinion on NS, avoiding many questions, and has not helped so much to town.

Either Hellhound or Lupo are good lynches. I think NS has played silently, but is, as I said, calm and patient. I still have a null read on NS.

I don't know who is scummier, though, but I'll vote Lupo because I don't want some mislynch here if someone hammers Hellhound cause he's at L-2.

What? Hellhound and Lupo are good lynches... but he doesn't want anyone to hammer Hellhound? Sense. It is not made here.

Vote: Basketballstar24

[Melmond]

Lupo and Hellhound were counterwagons to each other, so for the moment at least I am going to:

Vote: Lupo

The wagon on Lupo was because of him defending HH though wasn't it?

I think bbstar is most likely to be scum.
VOTE: basketballstar24

[killerjester]

Two very enticing wagons! I can hardly choose!

VOTE: Lupo

[killerjester]

Reads atm

Scummy:

Lupo
basketballstar24
pieceofpecanpie

Null-scummy:

Idiotking
Paschendale
Nobody Special

Null[y]:

Kublai Khan
pappums rat
triangle123

Towny:

Cheery Dog
Melmond

I think I've been clear about my scum-reads. The null-scummy category is for players that I've seen distancing, but nothing strikingly scummy about their posts (IK and Paschendale from the Cheery wagon, along with bbstar - NS from the HH wagon, along with Lupo). Cheery is town because of #327, Melmond is town because of #306 and #310

[triangle123]

I need to look at some ISOs and I'll be back tomorrow with a list of reads and probably a vote. Off the top of my head, I want to take a closer look at Lupo, BBS, CD, and Melmond.

[pieceofpecanpie]

Hmmm, diving straight into wagons and no comment on the lack of nightkill?

No comment on the Hellhound flip either? In regards to this, a Lupo wagon makes no sense since a lot of his scumminess was from associative tells with Hellhound.

BBStar seems like an easy wagon to pile onto, let's do that right? I'll come back to that a bit later.

Cheery is town because of #327

Explain please.

@Mod

Request Lupo prod if he doesn't show himself shortly

[Paschendale]

Hmmm, diving straight into wagons and no comment on the lack of nightkill?

No comment on the Hellhound flip either? In regards to this, a Lupo wagon makes no sense since a lot of his scumminess was from associative tells with Hellhound.

Well, what do you think about it? It could be indicative of all sorts of things. There could be a doc, there could be a jailkeeper, there could be a bulletproof, or scum could have chosen not to kill. There's no evidence whatsoever to promote or exclude any of those possibilities. What is there to say?

[killerjester]

Explain please.

Hellhound's slot was already hammered, yet Cheery encouraged him to give reads anyway.

It feels like an impulse that comes more naturally to a town-player than to scum. Scum have no reason to show any regard to the opinion of a mislynch.

[basketballstar24]

So go ahead say I'm scum for not posting and saying a few words. I remember back in the days when that was exactly what caught them.

And go ahead lynch me, it was good to do a duty to my town as a

vanilla townie

.

So HA-HA. Here's the bad part about being VT:

"Scum always claim Vanilla Townie, that just proves it."

So what am I supposed to say? Roleclaim PR? "Don't lynch me?"

No, you wouldn't believe me. This was fun while it lasted. Enjoy Lylo.

[killerjester]

Scum or town, if you aren't going to play towards your win condition I'd rather you replace out.

Do you have reads for us? Scumhunting? Opinions? Anything?

[Kublai Khan]

Ugh. 3 votes abd basketballstar24 claims vt? That's a sorry state of affairs.

If he actually is a vt, remind meto blacklist his ass when the game is over. There's. No excuse for that sort of shit playing.

[Cheery Dog]

Hmmm, diving straight into wagons and no comment on the lack of nightkill?

No comment on the Hellhound flip either? In regards to this, a Lupo wagon makes no sense since a lot of his scumminess was from associative tells with Hellhound.

A lack of nightkill means we have a lack of information from the dead to go back read, what would you like us to have commented. Commenting on lack of nightkills generally accidentally slips someone's role, so why should we be worried about not having comments?

I wasn't aware the Lupo case was associative tells, but I might have to go back through those.

Hellhound flip just means we might have to waste a lynch on you.

[killerjester]

#206 is my case on Lupo, in case we forgot. The only thing I have to add to it is that he lurked hard while the Hellhound wagon was gaining speed, perhaps dodging suspicions against himself. Not to mention how content he was with his vote on NS (which was questionable to begin with, go read #206 for details). That looks

exactly

like scum-distancing to me, for fear of being associated with Hellhound's mislynch.

[Lupo]

So basically what your saying is, I'm scum for having a town read on a player who I thought had a horrible wagon. Then, was right.

[Paschendale]

That Lupo was correct and Hellhound flipped town gives Lupo a strong townread in my mind.