Newbie 1511 - Game Over!

[singersigner]

VOTECOUNT 3.4

Psychotropia:
Hephaestus:
RubikAshtray:
theslimer3:
frog:
goodmorning:
NO LYNCH (2): theslimer3, RubikAshtray

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2014-07-16 16:00:00)

[Psychotropia]

On its own, it’s null, but I find it interesting how this fits into the pattern of Hephaestus being accused of suspicious behavior and then shifting the focus to Slimer.

Pattern?

It'd probably be more accurate to say that "X Person is accused of suspicious behavior, Hephaestus shifts focus onto Slimer" is a pattern, but yes. Either you're a townie with an itching suspicion, a mafioso with an itching mislynch, or I'll have to start shipping Hephaestus/Slimer.

[theslimer3]

[quote="Hephaestus"]Slimer's unexplained hammer didn't seem weird to you at all but my vote did?[/unvote]
Unlike you, I explained why

[theslimer3]

<.< god I hate when I do that

[RubikAshtray]

Yep, you got me there, hepha, I think I was tunneling too hard on you and I got carried away. I'm sorry.

I was wondering, though, would you lynch slimer or no-lynch today?

[frog]

Timing is not a thing one generally discusses as it's happening.
Questioning could have been brought up, but was it necessary? People were townreading him as was.
As to Rach: I said what I felt was different from Town and similar to Scum (tone, "prickly") and pointed out which game I was using for comparison (LotR).
As to the counter-case: how many times do I have to say that my read was not good enough to go stopping lynches for? I'm not Thor, sorry.

I understand that other people were townreading him at the time, but I wasn't, and I did push you for some answers but received few that I found very useful. You also mentioned LotR in post 24, well before the wagon had taken off, and no other meta came to light that day. With regards to the counter-case, fair enough.

All that said, I like the first part of this.
I don't like the last part: Scum would be more likely to notice a "clutch moment," as you say. And even if there were such a hypothetical moment where anyone not efforting would be obvScum, how would Town be able to identify such a moment? And how would they be able to tell the difference between not efforting and just not being around?

Naturally my statement is very vague, but to recall a previous moment in a previous game, one player stayed up later than usual at night so they could be present to hammer in a situation where two players each had four votes and were at L-1. That extra effort, when they could have just hammered earlier and looked fine, made me read them more as town (and they were, in the end, town).

Regarding theslimer and no lynch: even if you think theslimer is scum, a no lynch today is objectively the best option.

Vote: No Lynch

This is NL-1.

[goodmorning]

To the statement about the previous player: some people would do the same as Scum. I don't remember what I was going to put in this sentence.

To the statement about no-lynches: In this situation, yes. In some situations, no. I'll speak about this more postgame.

[goodmorning]

OK, based on the lack of anybody posting, I'll give it 24 hours and then hammer the No-Lynch, so if anyone has anything to say, they should do it soon.

[Psychotropia]

OK, based on the lack of anybody posting, I'll give it 24 hours and then hammer the No-Lynch, so if anyone has anything to say, they should do it soon.

Hmm, actually, I do have something to say.

Frog, you seem suspicious of Goodmorning from your posts, but do you have any more concrete reads on her? You tend to make helpful posts but I'm not always sure where you stand on things.

[theslimer3]

OK, based on the lack of anybody posting, I'll give it 24 hours and then hammer the No-Lynch, so if anyone has anything to say, they should do it soon.

Hmm, actually, I do have something to say.

Frog, you seem suspicious of Goodmorning from your posts, but do you have any more concrete reads on her? You tend to make helpful posts but I'm not always sure where you stand on things.

I'm pretty sure we said not to state your reads today. Saying things is one thing, but giving up who you think is scum/town today would be like handing over a townie rather than giving up someone. You can state your reads on day 4 and who you think is scum all you want then

[Psychotropia]

I'm pretty sure we said not to state your reads today. Saying things is one thing, but giving up who you think is scum/town today would be like handing over a townie rather than giving up someone. You can state your reads on day 4 and who you think is scum all you want then

What do you mean by “handing over a townie”?

Fact is, unless we have a BP townie and the Mafia targets them, there’ll be another dead townie tomorrow. It’s in the Mafia’s best interest for us

not

to gain any useful information from their death.

Isn’t that why we’re asking around so much? Have everybody meaningfully contribute today and have everybody have opinions and no matter

whose

body scum buries, they’ll have to kick up dirt. Don’t let scum hide behind detachment and don’t let a townie be an easy NK target from neutrality. That’s what I was thinking.

I suppose the fact that I noticed Frog’s suspicion of GM is enough to make my question kind of pointless, though. I am tempted to hammer the No Lynch, but since Goodmorning stated her own intent to hammer it later and somebody else might still speak up, I’ll abate.

[theslimer3]

What you say isn't entirely true. If everyone looks around the fact that they feel some type of way about someone, scum can decide easier tonight.
The only reason to kick up dirt now is so we can get a more clear understanding of the direction we should move on the next day, seeing as how we've found out the answers to questions that brought about that.

If we agree on who's town or scum, that'll just make scum's night kill that much more focused and easy.

[frog]

I know you're tempted to scumhunt, but since we're not actually planning on lynching today it is a little pointless. Given we're not lynching anyone, everything you can ask me or anyone else today can likely be answered the same way tomorrow, without giving the mafia any information. The town doesn't really lose anything from keeping some of our cards close to our chests. If we discuss someone today and mark them out as a lynch candidate for tomorrow, how will scum not capitalise on that? Night kill analysis is also extremely susceptible to WIFOM anyway, especially when the mafia know who each individual townie most suspects.

Also, I will be V/LA from tomorrow (11th) until Monday (13th)

[goodmorning]

Vote: No Lynch

I have many things to say upon the morrow.

[singersigner]

VOTECOUNT 3.5

Psychotropia:
Hephaestus:
RubikAshtray:
theslimer3:
frog:
goodmorning:

NO LYNCH (4): theslimer3, RubikAshtray, frog, goodmorning

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

And with that, any and all night actions are due to me via PM by (expired on 2014-07-13 17:00:00).

[singersigner]

Day 4 begins with the unfortunate loss of RubikAshtray. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

Psychotropia:
Hephaestus:
theslimer3:
frog:
goodmorning:

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2014-07-27 20:00:00)

[goodmorning]

I don't remember anything, except that slimey was looking unfortunately probable.

[RubikAshtray]

Go town!


/bah

[Psychotropia]

I don't remember anything, except that slimey was looking unfortunately probable.

I agree, and wouldn't discount a Slimer/Frog scum team. It was odd how

adamant

Slimer was about asking Frog questions D4 and not D3 when they were previously fine with a "question day" and how Frog immediately backed them up on that.

[goodmorning]

Well, tbf that is a strategy quite common in MyLo.

[goodmorning]

[IC]OH, and for the benefit of the newbs: it's LyLo. That means don't vote someone until you're sure they're Scum, because if you're Town and you vote, bad things could happen.[/IC]

[frog]

I don't remember anything, except that slimey was looking unfortunately probable.

I agree, and wouldn't discount a Slimer/Frog scum team. It was odd how

adamant

Slimer was about asking Frog questions D4 and not D3 when they were previously fine with a "question day" and how Frog immediately backed them up on that.

That's pretty much standard MyLo play though. The kind of questions that work on MyLo are the 'why did you say this'/'what did you mean here'/'why did you vote them at that point' and not 'divulge all your reads right now' since that last one really plays into scum's hands.

I assume you still want me to answer your questions regarding goodmorning? Are there any more things you want to ask having had a night phase to think about events?

[Psychotropia]

The thing that confuses me is why you guys didn’t chastise Rubik and I about this after we made read lists D3. Was it because that was earlier in the Day or what?

As for Frog, I suppose here’s a question sort of like the one I asked Hephaestus yesterday:

If you were forced to lynch somebody right now, would you pick Goodmorning?

[theslimer3]

I don't remember anything, except that slimey was looking unfortunately probable.

Why is that btw?


Also should we compare scum reads now?

[goodmorning]

That would be a good idea if I had any. I still need to reread but my acct prof's ridiculous.