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[Marquis]

V O T E C O U N T

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You paint me a blue sky,
and go back and turn it to rain.
And I lived in your chess game,
but you changed the rules everyday.

— "Dear John",

Speak Now

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Aristophanes

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Bookitty

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Elyse

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(0)

Empking

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(0)

Endless Possibilities

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Espeonage

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killerjester

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LucianRoy

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Not_Mafia

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ika

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Soren

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DarkLightA

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(13)

Not Voting

— Aristophanes, Bookitty, Elyse, Empking, Endless Possibilities, Espeonage, killerjester, LucianRoy, Not_Mafia, ika, Soren, DarkLightA

With

12

alive, it takes

7

votes to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2015-04-17 15:15:00)

(Fri Apr 17 @ 15:15:00 EST).

Endless Possibilities

(pieguyn) is V/LA until 4/5.

Note that this votecount is identical to 2.00, and is only here for visibility.

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: DarklightA

[LucianRoy]

That's an awesome vote.
I really like that vote.
I like that vote so much, that I'm voting with that vote.
VOTE: DarklightA

[ika]

i call dibs on hammer

[Soren]

So, not to bring up inconceivable scenarios, but is it possible that the scum team was entirely inactive, and didn't even make a kill?
Naw, I think it'd be better to put faith into the protective rolls.
But still, it makes me wonder...

Even the inactives posts every once in a while so I doubt it.

[LucianRoy]

I find it very strange that the game has split into two "factions" the way it has. In my read-through, while not as thorough as I would have liked, I found that Soren and LR struck me as particularly town. Aristophanes struck me as gut scum—I really really really didn't like his wall posts. Bookitty takes a good second place.

I'll go through player-by-player sometime if I get around to doing so. Till then I'm happy to leave my vote here:
VOTE: Aristophanes

Enters thread, goes for low-hanging fruit that was building momentum.

Is it really a gut scum read anymore? You've stated that his argument was forced and ended with a weak reason to sheep the vote on me.

It's not really that important; it depends on how you define gut read. I guess you could call it a "light read".

After giving reasons on "weak weak statements" as to the real reason of her apparent vote, she goes back on her previous views of it being a gut-read??? Hypocrisy?

It's just that I don't feel like I have enough to be past the initial stage of reads.

Hypocrisy?
Also, scum-blindness.

@Darklight: Why was Aristophanes sheeping me suspicious and Soren's previous sheep wasn't, please?

Point out Soren's sheep to me

Obliviousness to the thread after having said she read it. My bad, "most of it." She at least read the part where Soren and I were town.

It's not the nicest thing I've seen, but it has a different feel to it that Aristophanes' vote. Soren's vote was relatively early in the game, and I myself frequently go through a player that I've previously ignored if someone brings out a vote, especially that early. I don't like that it was done without acknowledging Boo's vote though.

On the other hand Aristophanes' post felt—like I said—forced. It felt like he was fitting the scumread to the player, rather than having any natural analysis.

This just sounds and reads scum to me.

Before I forget (I've forgotten to say something several times already):

@Marquis:

You are absolutely beasting this modding. You also introduced me to a new song! La la, la la la la la...

• Thank you! This is by far my favorite game to mod yet, and I'm glad so many of you appreciate it.

One example of slight, fluffy derailment, but it has mod-acknowledgement, so it's taboo to criticize.
(Please don't martyr me Marquis)

• *insert modkill here* ...

These are some examples.

[Bookitty]

Endless Possibilities is town.
Pretty sure Elyse is town too.
Not sure about Empking saying he wasn't voting Anti ever, but I'm thinking about it.

These are pinging me:

LucianRoy: "The Meta read on Anti was okay for a while, but now he's basically lynch-bait due to not even being here."

Aristophanes: "I see Anti is pretty close to lynch, but also hasn't been here.
Are these things related or did he do something before disappearing that was scummy?"

I can get the posts for those if needed, but I'm kind of pressed for time just at the moment so if you need them, let me know.

[LucianRoy]

i call dibs on hammer

Naw man, you should vote while the wagon's ripe.

[Empking]

Vote: LR

[LucianRoy]

Endless Possibilities is town.
Pretty sure Elyse is town too.
Not sure about Empking saying he wasn't voting Anti ever, but I'm thinking about it.

These are pinging me:

LucianRoy: "The Meta read on Anti was okay for a while, but now he's basically lynch-bait due to not even being here."

Aristophanes: "I see Anti is pretty close to lynch, but also hasn't been here.
Are these things related or did he do something before disappearing that was scummy?"

I can get the posts for those if needed, but I'm kind of pressed for time just at the moment so if you need them, let me know.

A) Why did you enter the thread with reads on people that weren't even on the wagon? Was this in response to my "vote somebody who wasn't on the train"?
B) Nice cherry picking, but pointing out that someone's lynch-bait, which he definitely was, doesn't really strike me as a scum-ping, (from what you imply).
On top of that, I still ended up voting him, but somehow you didn't.

[killerjester]

Bookitty what's your read on ika?

[LucianRoy]

Bookitty what's your read on ika?

[Bookitty]

I had basically no read on Om and Ika hasn't really done anything except call the hammer on what looks to me to be a pretty spurious wagon, so ... null?

Why the sudden interest in my opinion on that slot?

[killerjester]

It was a long shot, thought you might have seen something that I didn't.

The hammer thing is a little weird but he's done the same in [REDACTED] so I'll let it slide today.

[Not_Mafia]

Why is it spurious?

[Bookitty]

A) Why did you enter the thread with reads on people that weren't even on the wagon? Was this in response to my "vote somebody who wasn't on the train"?
B) Nice cherry picking, but pointing out that someone's lynch-bait, which he definitely was, doesn't really strike me as a scum-ping, (from what you imply).
On top of that, I still ended up voting him, but somehow you didn't.

A: I gave town reads on the people whose entry to the Anti wagon made them more town than others. Why is that a problem for you?

B: I didn't need to, did I? By your own statements earlier, I had pushed his wagon more than just about anyone else and I already had the argument with you about why I was waiting for him to post something. Also, I don't care if you aren't pinged by your own posts, shockingly enough.

[Bookitty]

Why is it spurious?

I have a scumread on LucianRoy. I also have it from Soren that LR is a "town leader" and I see him trying to take on that role here without having earned it yesterday. You pick someone seemingly at random who was off-wagon and LucianRoy sheeps you immediately follows up with a case on that slot. It's weird and offputting.

[LucianRoy]

Also, I can prove my town-role from the events last night.
Considering I wasn't roleblocked.

Just thought you might like to know.

[killerjester]

Um can u not.

The only relevant claim at this point is EP telling us if they're still Hated.

[Elyse]

We're not policy lynching. Give me a reason Anti's scum and I'll be the happiest guy in the world, but policy lynching serves no one.

I see what you're saying, but I don't agree that his lurking is scummy.

At least let him speak before lynching him, k?

VOTE: DarkLightA

Losing a scumbuddy on D1 for lurking is entirely avoidable and I would expect scum to have some aversion to lynching him. DLA is subtly opposing his lynch but never taking a stance on him. It's what I would try to do as scum but it makes you look really bad if it fails. And it failed.

[Soren]

These Taylor Swift vote counts and phase post are beautiful.

Onto the matter at hand.

my desire to

kill

LR is quickly rising

I should have noticed this. He said kill rather than lynch. That slip of the tongue was enough to expose his alignment.

Moving on, anti made three votes on day 1. Bookitty, Lucian and himself.

The Bookitty vote was a RVS.

The lucian vote was rather odd since not much was explained. However, Lucian came started with a RVS vote on anti so perhaps it was an OMGUS vote. However, anti's vote on lucian came after lucian voted for esp. Was this anti trying to save his buddy?

Bookitty I will have to rely on you here for a bit since you are aware of anti's meta better than me. But what do you think the lurking as scum meta stems from? The sacredness of not wanting to slip up? The carefulness of not wanting to reveal his potential team mates if he gets lynch and flips scum?

Have you noticed anything about anti's voting patterns with regards to revealing/suggesting his buddy's idenitty? More specifically, will scum anti vote for his team mate? Will scum anti vote for someone as a counter wagon to a current wagon on his team mate?

[Elyse]

I think Anti just doesn't like playing scum.

[killerjester]

The scumslip is a good catch, and it means LR is most likely town. Scum don't "kill" their buddies.

[Not_Mafia]

I still don't think that was a slip, but there's something to be said for pointing it out as one

[killerjester]

So say it.