Newbie 1344: Cactus-Town Tragedy (Game Over)

[Honest Abel]

We have until Wednesday night. Mounting pressure on Shisou was the right thing to do after his "I'm sheeping" post. I will not back down on that.

Please read my recent posts again. I said there's a better case on HD, not Shisou, but Shisou did something blatantly scummy that demanded clarification.

[Honest Abel]

At least one of you are being foolishly misled after the pileup on Soko and the pile up on me. If you are town, I implore you to try to take your head out of the momentum, go back and read, and make your own conclusions.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote Count 1.09

• Honest Abel (3) -
  Human Destroyer, RandomYoshi, Fegelein
  
• Soko Sonex (2) -
  Shisou, Zhou Enlai
  
• Human Destroyer (2) -
  Soko Sonex, Belisarius
  
• Shisou (2) -
  Nachomamma8, Honest Abel
  
• Belisarius (0) -
  
  
• Fegelein (0) -
  
  
• Nachomamma8 (0) -
  
  
• Zhou Enlai (0) -
  
  
• RandomYoshi (0) -
  
  
  
  
• Not Voting (0) –

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is ~7PM EST March 27
Countdown:

(expired on 2013-03-27 19:00:00)

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[Fegelein]

I misunderstood your point on the HD case, but Shisou was already at L-3, which is enough for him to feel pressured. You knew he was as well since it shows latest replies while you were making your post.

Also, I really don't like how you automatically think that there must be 2 scum voting you.

[Honest Abel]

One vote on Shisou was from a weak case from Nacho that was basically "not helpful enough," if I'm not mistaken. Yes, I said Shisou was at L-2 when I voted. I thought he was still around. I was expecting either Random or me to continue pressuring him, but I wanted to do it. It's more pressure with two people actively on your case, and I personally wouldn't have taken it this way if someone had followed me on Shisou.

I didn't say there were two scum voting me. I think it's noteworthy that the same people who wagoned on Soko are now wagoning me.

[Fegelein]

One vote on Shisou was from a weak case from Nacho that was basically "not helpful enough," if I'm not mistaken. Yes, I said Shisou was at L-2 when I voted. I thought he was still around. I was expecting either Random or me to continue pressuring him, but I wanted to do it. It's more pressure with two people actively on your case, and I personally wouldn't have taken it this way if someone had followed me on Shisou.

I didn't say there were two scum voting me. I think it's noteworthy that the same people who wagoned on Soko are now wagoning me.

I'm quite sure Nacho and Yoshi could have pressured enough as it is (since Nacho probably will pressure him for that anyway, despite his poor intial reasoning for voting Shisou). Your vote just strikes me as bandwagoning, and with the myriad of other offences you have committed, I won't be able to trust you when you say it isn't.

Also, maybe I agree with their points because asides from being correct, they have been quite towny throughout the game. I also have my own reasons for voting you, which is not parroting. I also believe that Soko is your partner, and I think that they feel the same way.

[Honest Abel]

Consider that maybe it strikes you as bandwagoning because I've been sidetracked before getting a chance to squeeze more out of Shisou. Meanwhile, Shisou has conveniently grabbed his cane and tapdanced offstage.

[Honest Abel]

Also, I didn't accuse you of parroting, guilty conscience. You started doubting me a while ago. Then again, finding me scummy and only voting me to L-1 is at least as opportunistic as you believe my vote on Shisou was. Following up on your vote with these questions is a credit, though.

[Fegelein]

Aye, but it certainly seems that you were banwagoning Yoshi's vote there. As I stated in my larger post earlier, it seems like a flip-flop. Also, maybe Shisou had to go and he could no longer post here?

Also, I believe you accused me of stating Soko's guilty conscience as well. More hypocrisy from your end. I also wanted to clarify that my vote on you was not bandwagoning and I was not parroting either. My vote on you is not opportunistic, because I have been suspicious of you all game and your Shisou vote was incredibly opportunistic, as opposed to my vote, as my vote has far more justification, reasoning and it's not a U-turn.

[Honest Abel]

Maybe Shisou had to go. I am willing to give him a chance to come back if you don't want to lynch beforehand.

You have a point that I don't have a lot on Shisou aside from my questioning his incredibly lazy responses and having no justification for his L-1 vote. It's still justification that happened before I voted him, though, which is what you did as well. I don't find it particularly scummy that you did what you did, I'm just drawing the parallel for your consideration. The only difference being that I'm not sure Shisou is scum, while you are ready to lynch me.

[Honest Abel]

Guys, your case relies on the idea that I wanted to lynch Shisou. I merely wanted to pressure him. If you were scientists, you would have waited to see what I'd do when he was at L-1. HD opened his big mouth and halted the pressure on Shisou, pressure which was undoubtedly demanded by his nonsense excuses.

[Honest Abel]

This is a case of chatroom mafia tactics not working in message board mafia.

[Fegelein]

I stated in my long post that I didn't want anyone to hammer yet. We can still get some things done.

I don't really see the justification as enough to warrant a vote though, that's the issue at hand. My vote on you has been justified from my wall of reads as well as genuine suspicion before. Your vote just seemed like a bandwagon, and it seems that Yoshi mousetrapped you unintentionally.

As I have said, Shisou being at L-3 is enough pressure for that imo. Putting him at L-2 with a lack of justification seems to be very scummy. Along with a number of scumtells, I am fairly sure that you are scum, and it is likely Soko is your partner.

[Honest Abel]

So you would have rather pressured Shisou without voting on him? That doesn't strike me as pressure, but then again, you are not the king of pressure.

[Honest Abel]

In fact, you are a peasant when it comes to pressure. Someone else talk to me.

[Fegelein]

No, I feel that Nacho and Yoshi's pressure is enough atm, there was no need for you to join in at that point. Coupled with the fact that it looks incredibly scummy anyway.

Also, are you trying to shake me off your case? Afraid that won't work.

[Honest Abel]

Thanks for repeating your point and telling me I should be as concerned with looking scummy as you are.

You're talking to get your post count up. You're adding nothing to the situation. L-1 is a good opportunity to pressure me and try to make me slip up, yet you're drawing it out into a snorefest.

[Honest Abel]

I'm ready to field questions from the audience.

[Fegelein]

I like how you don't care about being the best universal lynch target at this moment in time (apart from Soko). It seems like you are a scum trying to keep your cool.

Also, I have noticed slip ups throughout the game on your end, and you've been guilty of it here (refer back to earlier posts).

[Honest Abel]

I'd care if someone would bring up any substantial points against me. As it is, your weak sauce about not needing to vote Shisou to pressure him is going to turn out to be water when I flip town, so no, I'm not feeling too pressured at the moment.

[Human Destroyer]

I'd care if someone would bring up any substantial points against me.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Lynch this

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, comments on the HD bandwagon? Reads?

HD wagon has a bunch of townreads, but I don't really think that he is scum.

I thought you said eigen-slot was town

What happened to that

How does a wall about everyone but Shisou end in a Shisou vote

I liked the post on first glance but now I'm kinda wtfing at it

It was a page-2 read, yes it is liable to change. Shisou has been a non-presence in what has steadily become a clusterfuck that gives me town reads on town reads, so of course that's where my vote is going.

Hmm. Sheeping + pressure doesn't work?

It does. Pressure --> Sheeping ---> Sheeping+Pressure is something completely different, though.

I also find it interesting that RandomYoshi ramps up on Shisou after I point out his response to Shisou's non-excuse is strange. Very interesting.

What angle are you pushing here?

Guys, your case relies on the idea that I wanted to lynch Shisou. I merely wanted to pressure him. If you were scientists, you would have waited to see what I'd do when he was at L-1. HD opened his big mouth and halted the pressure on Shisou, pressure which was undoubtedly demanded by his nonsense excuses.

Town doesn't sheep to L-1. The pressure excuse is nonsense. This is the dumbest, most obvious scumtell all game.

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[Honest Abel]

HD, do you have anything I haven't responded to? You had an issue with me voting when I did, so what do you think of my explanation?

Nacho, the angle is simple. RandomYoshi asked Shisou a question about justifying his vote. Shisou shrugged it off and gave a terrible excuse, and RandomYoshi just said neat-o. Then I point out how RandomYoshi's non-response is suspicious and pressure Shisou into giving a justification, and now RandomYoshi is voting Shisou. That's a very interesting turn in behavior, going from nonaction to action, sparked equally, I'd say, by my insistence as much as Shisou's post about sheeping. I actually don't see why the sheeping post was worse than the L-1 = purely pressure post.

Not sure what your last two quotes are about. You have a question?

[Honest Abel]

Okay, the sheeping post was way worse than the L-1 vote = pressure post, but both demanded answers.

[Human Destroyer]

HD, do you have anything I haven't responded to? You had an issue with me voting when I did, so what do you think of my explanation?

I think it's pretty bad, considering apparently Shisou's pressure vote is a nono, yet yours is completely fine