Mini 1771 - Legend of Zelda Mafia: Storm the Castle Endgame

[Xkfyu]

Why are you voting pisskop, again?

Because of his contradiction about Dwlee's flavor, originally. And it is staying there, as a self-preservation vote, unless something better comes up.

[Xkfyu]

You, as an alignment cop, being such firm believer in that there can't be overlap in claims ever, should have been a lot more positive on a beeboy scumflip then you were.

I'm like 99% positive that you're scum.

Again, stop acting like I haven't completely and reasonably explained the difference between the two. Don't ignore my very valid point just because they are inconvenient.

[Xkfyu]

Like, maybe if he'd of said something to the effect of not wanting to CC right away to get some results first? I might of bought that.

I HAVE said that.

[Xkfyu]

just realized the logic I used was wrong because of the fact that xkyfu would have to cc his scum partner and that if xkyfu is scum if gives no insight on cakes' alignment.

It doesn't give much insight but I think it makes cakes more likely town at least.

Except for the fact that I'm town.

[Xkfyu]

I buy it.

Why do you buy it?

Weird question to ask for someone who knows PW is town.

I bought it because I knew he was town but his reasoning was awful, and just because he got a result that said you didn't move doesn't mean that he can trust you. I think it's very suspicious that you bought it just like that.

[Xkfyu]

He didn't move and the scum killed that night. Why wouldn't I trust him?

Because there very well still could be a scum that didn't move.

[Xkfyu]

Why is that suspicious?

Just because his reasoning was awful doesn't mean that it wasn't honest.

You've been quick to call me scummy for perfectly fine reasoning. Yet, you like awful reasoning?

[Xkfyu]

You guys think I'm scummy, then fine. Lynch me. Maybe you will finally pay some kind of attention to the things that I've said once I've flipped. I'm likely no more good then a VT now anyways.

I think the remaining scum are in Cakez, Sensei, and pisskop. Maybe Nahdia, but I doubt it.

[Xkfyu]

And don't forget, I have an innocent result on PW, so he's town.

[Xkfyu]

Actually, add Dwlee to that scum list as well, but probably only with Sensei.

[Xkfyu]

And make sure everyone looks closely at everyone who was on the beeboy wagon in D2, at any time, not just at insta. It was definitely a bus, and when I flip town, and this clearing PW, you should be able to really start narrowing who was doing the actual bussing.

[Xkfyu]

Alright, going to bed. No reason that I shouldn't be lynched by the time I wake up...right?

[Xkfyu]

Actually, just realized that his lynch pool includes basically everyone lol.

Why do you have so much trouble reading? Those were the names, other than me and you, who could have been bussing beeboy. They should be in everyone's scum pool.

[Xkfyu]

We should still lynch this imo. Yes, he towntold when the hammer was over his head. Everyone does.

Everyone huh?

Beeboy didn't.

[Xkfyu]

Who do you think it is then?

[Xkfyu]

SirCakez, Sensei, and pisskop are my top 3. The other two were just after thoughts.

However, I don't think Cakez and Sensei are scum together, but I could definitely see Cakez and pisskop. If Sensei is scum, I'd say it's either with Dwlee or pisskop, but probably Dwlee.

[Xkfyu]

Hurry and talk to me PW, before the thread is locked.

[Xkfyu]

You're vote is on PK btw SirCakez... Xkfyu is still at L-1. Not that I'm saying you should hammer him right now, but the thread isn't about to lock.

Wait, I'm not hammered?

[Xkfyu]

SirCakez, Sensei, and pisskop are my top 3. The other two were just after thoughts.

However, I don't think Cakez and Sensei are scum together, but I could definitely see Cakez and pisskop. If Sensei is scum, I'd say it's either with Dwlee or pisskop, but probably Dwlee.

See those first two are half of why people are scumreading you. Sensei being scum is ridiculously unlikely.

Why do you say think that it's so unlikely for Sensei to be scum? And why would you even think about putting yourself in the same group as Sensei. Scum or not, you are definitely not on his level.

[Xkfyu]

His vote is even a "self-preservation" vote.

I make no secret that I believe town should vote in self-preservation when faced with a lynch, with the exception of in a few rare circumstances.

[Xkfyu]

I thought PW hammered?

I did too, but I guess he miscounted. I'm currently on L-1.

[Xkfyu]

Still rather have cakez to xk.

UNVOTE: pisskop

VOTE: SirCakez

Let's do it, then.

[Xkfyu]

I can respect that but you've made no statements as to who is scum as of late until now when you're sitting at L-1. You've just been slyly pointing out possibly scummy things in a few people.

I haven't been doing anything "slyly." I have explicitly pointed out the things that were scummy about people.

[Xkfyu]

Because he lead wagons on Beeboy day 1 and 2, and his play in general has been very townie.

Do you not believe that beeboy's wagon was a bus, then?

[Xkfyu]

survivalism is a poor justification. when does my survivalism start as the counter?

what about cakrz?

What do you mean?

[Xkfyu]

I've gone back and fourth on SirCakez today but meh.

SirCakez who are you going to neighborize?

I'm not going to answer that wtf

Xk I do think it was a bus but busses aren't generally lead by the same person two days in a row.

Well, if you are town, and you think Sensei is town, then when I flip town and clear PW as town, that's only going to leave pisskop, Dwlee, and possibly Nahdia as the bussers.

What are your thoughts on that?

[Xkfyu]

Inb4 PK wants me lynched because if Xk is lynched it will out him as scum

If I'm lynched, I want either you or Sensei lynched next. Preferrably you.

[Xkfyu]

PK and Nahdia makes sense as a scum team to me.

I can see pisskop as scum, but I really think Nahdia is town.

The play was to bus beeboy, that much is a given, and if Nahdia was scum with beeboy, then there would have been absolutely no reason for Nahdia to be so reluctant to vote beeboy in D2.

[Xkfyu]

i dont get why bussing is where you guys go. distancing is the better play, especially when doubt crept in

If there had been any other real lynch possibility in D2, then I'd agree with you. But I think the lynch was just too easy for it not to have been a bus.

[Xkfyu]

Sensei, come out and let's talk for a bit before I'm hammered.

[Xkfyu]

I've gone back and fourth on SirCakez today but meh.

SirCakez who are you going to neighborize?

I'm not going to answer that wtf

What if you happen to neighborize the kill target and Phoenix happens to track you?

Answer it. There's 0 reason not to.

I agree that there is no reason at all not to answer, but hopefully, PW knows not to track Cakez. That would be useless information. Whatever Cakez alignment is, he is definitely a Neighbourizer, and the person he visits can just verify the visit.

[Xkfyu]

Well if he visits two different people........

That's true. You're right. I forgot that scum can use their abilities and submit the NK.

[Xkfyu]

this isnt mylo but yea i forgot he did

I forgot about that too.

We could easily test that, though. If he's scum, then he's probably not loved, and if he's town, then he is. So, if we get 5 votes on him, he'll either be lynched or he's probably town.

[Xkfyu]

All we would need, if he's town, to avoid a scum quick hammer is for the fifth vote to vote him and to unvote him immediately after. If the fifth vote is insta, then the unvote won't matter, and he'll still be lynched. If it's not, then we continue as if Cakez is town.

[Xkfyu]

Cakez, would you agree to this?

[Xkfyu]

I am down for that plan, xkfyu.

Is there any reason not to test it? If he's lying, then he's clearly scum. If he's telling the truth, then I think we have a cleared townie. It's basically a win-win.

[Xkfyu]

I mean, I see no harm trying. But I don't see why scum can't be Loved.

Are the Loved/Hated modifiers not town modifiers? I thought they were.

[Xkfyu]

We have no need to.

What would it achomplish besides unwagoning you?

It would at least establish whether or not he is telling the truth about being loved. If he's lynched then we've caught scum. Otherwise, people can just move right back to me.

[Xkfyu]

Scum can be loved/hated. They're usually town but it's not universal.

Ok. I've never seen them as scum. I still think it's worth the check though.

[Xkfyu]

You can test it if you really want but scum quick hammer is a good possibility.

Whoever puts the fifth vote on you can vote and unvote you in the same post. Then, for extra safety, everyone else can unvote you.

[Xkfyu]

It would at least establish whether or not he is telling the truth about being loved. If he's lynched then we've caught scum. Otherwise, people can just move right back to me.

Ew

"Ew" what?

[Xkfyu]

There was a time for that, and it was not when you were wagoned.

Good point actually. Why'd you only bring this up now, Xfkyu?

I forgot about it until now.

[Xkfyu]

NAHDIA. STOP. ANSWERING. FOR. PEOPLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

It's really not that serious. In general, I agree that people shouldn't answer for others, but in this case, the answer was pretty obvious.

[Xkfyu]

Pisskop's post that I quoted made me wonder if the whole Sircakez thing was a last ditch desperate attempt to take attention off himself. If it if it was and you didn't answer for him, he might've given answer that sounded nervous or like bs. But you gave him an out.

I already said that I had forgotten, before you even asked me.

[Xkfyu]

If we can establish the truth behind Cakez being Loved or not then, knowing my flip would clear PW, I'm fine with being lynched because it would significantly narrow down the possibilities as to who bussed beeboy.

[Xkfyu]

Cakez being loved doesn't confirm him as town by any means >_>

I get that, but it will confirm that he is telling the truth about his claim, and that's probably enough for me to move him way down in my lynch pool.

[Xkfyu]

Did we all forget that play is the best indicator of alignment?

So, if he is loved, then judge Cakez based off his play. If he isn't loved, then he'll be lynched at 5 votes, and we are guaranteed that he is going to flip scum.

[Xkfyu]

This is almost definitely a waste of time.

Maybe, but if I'm lynched (assuming a successful NK), then we will be in MyLo, and you guys won't be able to test Cakez's Loved condition.

[Xkfyu]

This is almost definitely a waste of time.

Also, there are only 3 possible scenarios:

1. Cakez is town and is Loved.
2. Cakez is scum and is Loved.
3. Cakez is scum and not Loved.

#2 is the only scenario where scum would actually want Cakez's condition tested, and since I know that there are no scum currently trying to test Cakez, I don't think #2 is very likely.

[Xkfyu]

We arent testing passive modifiers. If we wagon on cakez Im aiming for a lynch

We are testing Cakez's passive modifier because there is absolutely no reason not to.

There is the possible reward of lynching scum, at no risk whatsoever.

[Xkfyu]

If you guys manage to get a SirCakez wagon to 4 I'll quickly place the 5th vote and remove it, but for now my vote stays. This feels frivolous, I can't imagine anyone fakeclaiming something so easily testable.

You're probably right, but this way, we'll be sure.

Do this first, and I won't even fight my lynch afterwards.

[Xkfyu]

Survivalism is great and all, but this is ridiculous.

I'm no longer in survival mode.

I really believe that if Cakez is a loved scum, then scum would have already pushed to have his loved condition tested. So, if he's loved, then I'm pretty sure that he's town. Plus, my flip will clear PW. So, I'm fine with being lynched as long, as we test Cakez first.

[Xkfyu]

There's only 1 scum besides Cakez. You don't know their mindset. Maybe they're not even posting rn. Maybe they just don't want all those votes to transition to their buddy, regardless of it being a "test".

I'm talking about well before now.

If you were scum with a Loved Cakez, wouldn't you have thought it would have been a good idea to "test" his Loved condition?

[Xkfyu]

No.

Really? Why not?

[Xkfyu]

I would have been all over it.

[Xkfyu]

Because it would have proven that he was telling the truth about his claim.

[Xkfyu]

See those assumptions.

Theres no reason to. I would have let town bring it up I think. Its a safeguard if you claim it as scum, a way to say, see, look Im actually this comepletely irrelevant thing too!

I see your point, but I'd still have played it that way.

In a game where we KNOW that there are going to be fake claims, the earlier that my buddy's claim was proven true, the better, in my opinion.

[Xkfyu]

And so what if he was? Beeboy told the truth about being a rolecop.

Yeah, and lied about the other half.

[Xkfyu]

The only person whose role claim is seriously cast into suspicion here is you, Xkfyu. Everyone else I believe their claim, though their alignment is still up in the air.

I don't understand. Why, of all the claims, would you be suspicious of the Cop claim?

[Xkfyu]

Come on, Nahdia. Think about it. All that stuff I was saying in D2 about how could you not believe that there was a more powerful PR than what beeboy had claimed. I was trying to make you think about an ACTUAL cop.

[Xkfyu]

delayed cop.

Its a mechanic that isnt like the others

It's not completely unlike the other noncon roles, but do you want to play Guess the Mod or not? You seem to be ok with doing it against me, but not others.

[Xkfyu]

@xk

Im not guessing the mod, Im pointing out an ovbious difference in how your role works. But cool attack bro

Just be consistent, that's all I'm saying.

And I'm saying that it's not all the different. The only difference is that my target has to live through two consecutive nights. Otherwise, it's no different than a noncon Cop.

[Xkfyu]

it's like, "oh man i should claim alignment cop because i can totally point out that interaction i had with nahdia" but it's not selling me :\ I know you've said you believed the roles could co-exist, but I still really think you would have been more certain on beeboy had you been in the mindset of an alignment cop at the time.

The chances of me getting more than one result are really quite slim, so a 1-Shot Cop wasn't out of the question. If I had been a regular Cop, then I would have been more certain. I still wouldn't have given it away though, unless a had a good result.

[Xkfyu]

I'm really surprised that with all the setup speculation that has gone on, that you guys are really believing that there isn't an alignment cop in a role madness game.

I don't remember the order in which I claimed in, but scum fake claiming alignment cop is dangerous.

[Xkfyu]

So, I guess everyone just believes that I was faking when I thought I was hammered then?

[Xkfyu]

Pisskop, that avatar...

is horrendous.

[Xkfyu]

Xk let's chat man. I'm leaving in an hour probs.

Whether you agree with it or not, does the stuff I have said make sense?

[Xkfyu]

I kinda feel like Xk wants to get me to L-0 to test my Loved so he can do a suicidal quick hammer or something.

I'm already voting you, and Ari had a 1-Shot double vote. I can't hammer you.

Even if I did, though, it would obviously be a scum claim.

[Xkfyu]

So, I guess everyone just believes that I was faking when I thought I was hammered then?

I'd like everyone to not ignore this, please.

[Xkfyu]

It would at least establish whether or not he is telling the truth about being loved. If he's lynched then we've caught scum. Otherwise, people can just move right back to me.

Ew

"Ew" what?

And Cakez, please answer this.

[Xkfyu]

When did you get hammered?

I didn't. I thought PW's vote was the hammering vote, because he had expressed intent right before.

[Xkfyu]

When did you get hammered?

I didn't. I thought PW's vote was the hammering vote, because he had expressed intent right before.

I thought this was the hammer vote:

Screw it

VOTE: xfkyu

[Xkfyu]

So, I guess everyone just believes that I was faking when I thought I was hammered then?

I'd like everyone to not ignore this, please.

I wanted to see how you'd react if you thought you'd been hammered. If you look back, you see that I said "intent to vote" instead of intent to hammer and after that everyone acted like you were at L-1

Except for me. Do you think I faked that reaction?

[Xkfyu]

lol

i dunno why but that's a such funny thing to ask and im cracking up right now.

pedit: come on Xk you knew you weren't hammered there. :/

I didn't. I saw PW's intent, and I thought it was the hammer vote. It's the whole reason why I ATE'ed.

he even said "intent to vote"

i haven't seen your reaction but im guessing it wasn't unfake able.

Not unfakeable by any means. I don't think anything is unfakeable. It's whether or not you believe that it was faked.

[Xkfyu]

It would at least establish whether or not he is telling the truth about being loved. If he's lynched then we've caught scum. Otherwise, people can just move right back to me.

Ew

"Ew" what?

And Cakez, please answer this.

The way you said "people can just move back to me" and the whole "test the Loved" push feel off.

Well, if you aren't lynched at L-0, then that's exactly what's going to happen.

[Xkfyu]

So, I guess everyone just believes that I was faking when I thought I was hammered then?

I'd like everyone to not ignore this, please.

I wanted to see how you'd react if you thought you'd been hammered. If you look back, you see that I said "intent to vote" instead of intent to hammer and after that everyone acted like you were at L-1

Except for me. Do you think I faked that reaction?

You're trying really hard to make a big deal about this even though it doesn't really matter, so yeah I think it was fake now.

Well, if people would think about it themselves, then I wouldn't have to make a big deal out of it. I'm trying to not get lynched here.

[Xkfyu]

UNVOTE:
Should I hammer for real now or is there anything else you guys want to talk about?

At least wait until Sensei is back and can read up.

[Xkfyu]

And if Xk is town he should give us and actual scumpool and not just throw shade on the whole game.

I did. You'll see that once you've read up, but I'll elaborate further.

[Xkfyu]

Your scum pool is awful tho Xk :/

So is yours, if you think I'm scum.

Like I said though, I'm going to update it and further elaborate on it.

[Xkfyu]

Town {PW, Nahdia}
Town lean {Cakez}
Null {FB}
Scum lean {pisskop}
Scum {Sensei, Dwlee}

I have an innocent result on PW, and if Nahdia was beeboy's buddy, then the theatrics she displayed in D2 in respect to being torn about voting beeboy were completely unnecessary. Plus, I think her constant push on me was nothing more than blinkered town seeing everything I say as scummy.

I'm now getting the feeling that Cakez is town because I don't think scum want to test Cakez's Loved condition.

Firebringer could easily be a scum Gladiator and faking the BP claim, but neither he nor his predecessors have done anything this game. So, he remains a null for me, but I would definitely support his lynch.

I really think the beeboy lynch was one big bus, and that leaves only Sensei, Dwlee, and pisskop. Sensei wasn't on the wagon, in the end, but he virtually led the wagon from the outset of D2. Plus, his overreaction about being mad at Nahdia for stealing his hammer came off as fake to me.

No one was roleblocked (that we know of) in N2, so I have serious doubts as to Dwlee's claim that he was blocked in N1. Also, he expressed interest in testing Cakez, but never moved his vote. I'd guess Sensei is his buddy.

Pisskop not making the assumption that Refiller == Replinish doesn't make any sense to me, and looked to me like he was trying to cover his tracks when he accidentally said that Dwlee wasn't a confirmed Refiller. So, if he's scum, I'd guess that he's buddies with either Sensei or FB.

Honestly, it could be either, but I think I like the Sensei/Dwlee scum pair a little better than the Sensei/pisskop one. I really felt like Dwlee was town, based off his role, earlier in the game, and Sensei was quick to argue with me about it. However, when I finally started thinking Dwlee could be scum (based on the missing roleblock), he was even more quick to accuse me of completely 180ing and "running out of mislynches."

[Xkfyu]

Alright, let's go

VOTE: xfkyu

Just promise me that you'll at least TRY to listen to the things I've said here.

[Xkfyu]

Well, clearly I wouldn't expect you to if I was scum.

[Xkfyu]

I really think the beeboy lynch was one big bus, and that leaves only Sensei, Dwlee, and pisskop. Sensei wasn't on the wagon, in the end, but he virtually led the wagon from the outset of D2. Plus, his overreaction about being mad at Nahdia for stealing his hammer came off as fake to me.

"He led a scum wagon (two different days) so he's probably scum, plus, his capsrage looked kinda fake."

Like, you seem like a smart guy Xk. I don't believe for a second that you're this bad.

Well, if it's not you, then it has to be pisskop and Dwlee, in my opinion. There's no way I'm believing that beeboy wasn't bussed hard. You even said so yourself.

[Xkfyu]

please let this flip scum oh my god

I hate to disappoint you, but I'm most definitely town.

[Xkfyu]

I really think the beeboy lynch was one big bus, and that leaves only Sensei, Dwlee, and pisskop. Sensei wasn't on the wagon, in the end, but he virtually led the wagon from the outset of D2. Plus, his overreaction about being mad at Nahdia for stealing his hammer came off as fake to me.

"He led a scum wagon (two different days) so he's probably scum, plus, his capsrage looked kinda fake."

Like, you seem like a smart guy Xk. I don't believe for a second that you're this bad.

Well, if it's not you, then it has to be pisskop and Dwlee, in my opinion. There's no way I'm believing that beeboy wasn't bussed hard. You even said so yourself.

Unless you think FB really is just completely lurking it out.

[Xkfyu]

I don't really know what to think about FB. I wish we still had that dayvig for sure.

On that, we completely agree.

[Xkfyu]

Assuming a successful NK, you guys are going into MyLo. I think a No Lynch is at least worth consideration, with as many BP and commuter claims are out there. They can't all be lying.

[Xkfyu]

If we're ever going to No Lynch we should just test Sensei's unlynchable claim.

I agree, and if we get lucky, and we aren't in MyLo tomorrow, then PLEASE test Cakez's Loved claim.

[Xkfyu]

Because that's the only time where I'd consider no-lynch.

Obviously.

[Xkfyu]

GG everyone.

Thanks for modding, 3dice. I enjoyed the game a lot. Definitely one of the better setups I've played.

[Xkfyu]

Sorry that I messed up my role. It may have saved my lynch, so that one is completely on me.