Open 640: Diffusion of Power - Mod Abandoned

[Ranger]

@Mod
So say I'm a N6 doctor and I get killed/lynched, what my flip look like?

^Scumclaim, by the way.

Also, I didn't point this out earlier, but I feel the need to now. I find it no coincidence both Sickofit and Psyche basically handled their predecessors the same way, saying, "Oh, yeah, they were scummy, I get where you were coming from in seeing that, but I'm not going to defend against it while here I am totally defending against it and cannot answer for them while here I am totally trying to answer for them". More egregious from Psyche, but also present in Sickofit.

[Ranger]

@Ranger and Chip Buddy
I get that my predecessor made things a bit more difficult for me... But I hope to change your minds. I assure you... My win condition is town.

^Sickofit's version.

[Psyche]

@Mod
So say I'm a N6 doctor and I get killed/lynched, what my flip look like?

^Scumclaim, by the way.

Also, I didn't point this out earlier, but I feel the need to now. I find it no coincidence both Sickofit and Psyche basically handled their predecessors the same way, saying, "Oh, yeah, they were scummy, I get where you were coming from in seeing that, but I'm not going to defend against it while here I am totally defending against it and cannot answer for them while here I am totally trying to answer for them". More egregious from Psyche, but also present in Sickofit.

what you don't think i should try?

[Psyche]

it seems like the optimal strategy to do whatever is possible
i suppose that can be inconsistent, but i figure it would be understandable
especially since some readers will either disagree that i can't account for greyice's actions or with my explanation for his behavior

[Psyche]

you call it egregious, and that implies that you think it's really bad
but where's the harm in it?

that's not a rhetorical question; it looks like you're indulging in some sort of fallacy

[Psyche]

and you say you find it no coincidence that we're acting the same way
on the surface that's sensical but really what are you implying there?

[Ranger]

what you don't think i should try?

I didn't say that.
But you literally could not have done it in a scummier way.

[Psyche]

that's bullshit
and you're moving the goalposts now

[Psyche]

you say the thing i did was egregious
i explain how it wasn't
now you say

the way

i did the thing was egregious
leaving just what made my process so skeevy conveniently ambiguous

[Psyche]

texcat's play is still a step worse than active lurking

[Psyche]

i cant do this why did i do this

[Chip Butty]

I have. He who has ears to hear let then hear. Chip. I am not scum. Also, I mentioned earlier that I did a meta of ranger and moved

him

to null scum. Do try to pay attention please

Yes, I saw that, and I interpreted "null scum" to mean "leaning scum", which is still a scumread. You're beig evasive here and not addressing my concerns, and that doesn't make you look any Townier in my eyes. Also, hint: You can say "I am not scum" until you are blue in the face, but do you really think that is going to cut it? Question: Is this your first time as scum? Because your defense smacks of inexperience.

Oh, and speaking of paying attention, Ranger is a "her".

[Chip Butty]

i cant do this why did i do this

Quit the snivelling and give us reads on someone other than texcat. Your ISO looks really terrible, especially this last string of posts. I was on the fence a bit with GreyICE but since you have taken over, the slot looks way scummier.

Ranger is right about your big "GreyICE was a dick" speech. We're not so dumb that we are going to be blinded by personality issues - we understand the difference between the slot and the player. To me, your speech looked calculated, and not in a Towny way. If you were Town, you would just get on with the job of reading players but, apart from texcat, you've dodged that because apparently it's just too much hard work. Well, you knew that was what was required before you replaced in, right?

Also, I usually interpret snivelling as a scumread. I'm looking at you too, karnos.

[Chip Butty]

*as a scumtell

[Psyche]

snivelling?

[Psyche]

ok im out

@mod sry not gonna work

[Psyche]

of course the speech was calculated i was "trying"

[Chip Butty]

{Ranger, Cakez}
{Persivul}
{MURDERCAT, Shotty}
{Karnos, texcat, Shadow, Robert}
{Anen}
{Psyche}
{Sick}

[Chip Butty]

I'm in broad agreement but why Robert/Kop on the first tier? I get that his absence looks innocent now, but the first tier? Wouldn't somewhere in the lower-middle be more appropriate, given that his two posts were a naked RVS vote and a slightly spurious almost-naked vote?

I saw the town motivation behind those posts. I would have preferred there be more, and I would have preferred he handle them differently, but the posts he made were more town than scum. When combined with my dislike for the wagon on him, and how my scumreads have interacted with him (all of my scumreads have interacted with him in a way that suggests "not scumbuddy"), he just feels

right

as being town.

I have to disagree with some of this. I agree that, with votes on Kappy/Sick and Grey/Psyche, he seemed to be voting likely scum, which does look Townish. But I think his input was far too minimal to get a "feel" for him. Two casual votes could just as easily be scum trying to distance themselves from their buddies. That's why the slot is neutral-ish for me ATM.

[Chip Butty]

It's time to take this game seriously guys you can't just sheep onto psyche or my wagon. Unless you have legit reasoning of course.

So if we have legit reasoning, it's okay for us to sheep onto yours and Psyche's wagons? That sounds like an admission that it is possible for us to have legit reasoning to me - i.e. that there are legit reasons in the thread content to vote each of you guys.

[Chip Butty]

@Mod
So say I'm a N6 doctor and I get killed/lynched, what my flip look like?

"

Mafia Goon

"

From the DoP setup: 'Cops and Doctors flip only as "Town Cop" or "Town Doctor". '

[Chip Butty]

VOTE: Chip Butty

I'm not allowed to say why, but he knows why.

VOTE: Kappy

for OMGUS voting, and also I KNOW he is scum, though I also am not allowed to say why.

Seriously, what are the chances of me being scum after...?

Before I forget: I've been meaning to post this for a while.

Kappy is making a veiled reference to the other game in which we both played, in which he was scum. So, he is suggesting it is unlikely he would be scum in both games.

But, of course, his chances of being scum in this game are 3/13, exactly the same as for everyone else. It might be that Kappy just has an abysmal understanding of the laws of probability, but even so, this kind of appeal doesn't sit right with me, and actually made me suspicious of him (my initial vote on him was just a joke).

[Aneninen]

Soon.

[Kop]

UNVOTE:

Reading back.

[Aneninen]

Anen what's wrong with the dogpile onto a lurker? He did nothing to scumhunt.

One of the laziest things scums are doing is pushing lurkers. Pushing an active player may lead to a long and protracted fight, which may result that the whole push gets backfired on them.

I think Chip is town fyi, a mix of gut and the amount of effort and content he's putting in looks like too much to be from new scum.

Never underestimate relatively new players!
In a Newbie game I was IC-ing I drew scum and got quicklynched on Day2. My buddy, a newer player, won the game for us smoothly.

For the record, though, I didn't post a detailed claiming strategy for this setup earlier because I had not yet thought it out until just before I posted.

Yet I was called scummy because of

asking

whether we should claim.

Texcat im not gonna vote you right now, but is it possible for you to talk to me if im not voting you? i want to establish my read on you

Huh what?

Im saying that if i get the town to read me as town, maf will likely follow suit. Not that complicated.

It's never that easy.

If we're not lynching Psyche today, we're lynching Sickofit. No other lynches today are acceptable, and no claims they make should let them off the hook.

Narrowing the lynch pool on Page15 to two names is bad. Although I can imagine both of them as scum now.

Karnos's 357 is a kind of bad-town post.

I have. He who has ears to hear let then hear. Chip. I am not scum. Also, I mentioned earlier that I did a meta of ranger and moved him to null scum. Do try to pay attention please

The question is not the change in your read on Ranger.
The question is:

why

have you ISOed her and why not others?!

Why should I need to answer carefully? I don't need to blend in. I have no reason to lie. and my answer is I believe we should lynch all lyers in this setup.

Please, explain how you spot liars in this Setup.

@ModSo say I'm a N6 doctor and I get killed/lynched, what my flip look like?

N6????!
And the answer is written in the Setup!
What the f-ck was that!?

believing in welfare programs isn't "crazy left wing"
if it were those programs wouldn't exist

I'm banned from GD for another week, and pissed at this game in particular so let's have it out here. It's not that welfare is the issue, it is the inefficiency of OUR welfare system.

Need that go on here?

Psyche's 402–416. I can see no town motivation there.

{Ranger, Cakez}
{Persivul}
{MURDERCAT, Shotty}
{Karnos, texcat, Shadow, Robert}
{Anen}
{Psyche}
{Sick}

Why are you miming Ranger?

What if Chip and Ranger are both scum?

________

Hi, Kop!
Guess what, here's the news!
I have a townread on your slot. ^_^