Micro 1089: the coalition, again [game over]

[Aristeia]

well assuming fire/isis are not scumthrowing or scumplayingchicken the only way this coalition will be townwin is if the scum team is exactly sheep+hellbooks?

oh no she's onto us

I have a spirit link with Isis

[Aristeia]

Its interesting that there has been a wave of people being ok with bulge now when everyone was so opposed earlier. It kinda feels like those people might be TMIing bulge town and know he's going to be the mislim bait in the coalition.

since when did you even believe in TMI

I don't believe in like perspective slips and tmi in the sense that someone says something that slips someone being town or scum.

I do believe in scum doing things that set them up to win the game? I'm not sure how you could possibly conflate those two things. Or possibly think I meant the latter when I've talked about not believing in tmi tells before.

:nods sagely:

[Aristeia]

well assuming fire/isis are not scumthrowing or scumplayingchicken the only way this coalition will be townwin is if the scum team is exactly sheep+hellbooks?

oh no she's onto us

I have a spirit link with Isis

I will keep playing Kallista as long as we keep winning

Ahri + Kalista is the best bot lane duo noone can stop us

[Aristeia]

This proves I don't have a scum PT with Ari cause I would have said that there.

in the best universe we'd be scum together but it's not this one

[Aristeia]

I am like not reading closely Shea do you sr or tr bulge or like circumstantial evidence not want to coal them

bulge is shea's spirit animal because he's the only one who believed in Shea's favorite scumread

[Aristeia]

i mean at some point you have to make a decision tris

its not like she's bulge who's decided to take a vow of silence

i'll read her iso for u

I shouldn't have told tris to read your iso we might never find her again

[Aristeia]

Ari continues to interact with me in a way I can only describe as "negging"

I think I've been pretty polite since you complained

I certainly haven't accused you of turning your brain off

[Aristeia]

rock rock rock

[Aristeia]

well we have 3 out of coalition people voting for the coalition and noone in it voting for it

I don't think that's ever happened before

[Aristeia]

well we have 3 out of coalition people voting for the coalition and noone in it voting for it

I don't think that's ever happened before

if I stop and think about the implications I'll probably start opposing this so let's just refuse to go there

well the implication is that if this coalition is five townies then at least one mafia would have to be outright throwing or trying to play chicken or trying to get us to get cold feet

[Aristeia]

HURT: all

HEAL: The Bulge, tris, Thestatusquo, fireisredsir, skitter30

letting shea cook

[Aristeia]

I'm still thinking about Ari's comment about how she wants to have 5 days minimum to lim and wants to coalition as soon as possible and I just don't understand how that is a townie mindset. Clearly when the ramifications of getting one decision correct is you win the whole game you should take your time and focus on that decision and not maximize your time towards the fail case.

probably because I've played this setup before and you haven't

[Aristeia]

this setup has been played 14 times before shea

it has never had a coalition phase run into 50 pages let alone the 94 pages we are on.

most

games

take fewer than 60 pages total to finish

the longer this phase plays out the more this town is going to become disinterested and demotivated and unlikely to read back to figure out what actually happened.

[Aristeia]

Given that as fire said the town has won 2 out of the 7 games where they've coalitioned wrong and won 7 games via coalition that should tell you your focus is incorrect.

I mean I'm sheeping your coalition I'm not sure what else you want me to do for you I can't vote twice.

[Aristeia]

HURT: all
HEAL: tris Ari Isis skitter Shea

[Aristeia]

this setup has been played 14 times before shea

it has never had a coalition phase run into 50 pages let alone the 94 pages we are on.

most

games

take fewer than 60 pages total to finish

the longer this phase plays out the more this town is going to become disinterested and demotivated and unlikely to read back to figure out what actually happened.

1) Fact

2) Fact, but not serving any purpose in advancing any argument.

3) Fact, but not serving any purpose in advancing any argument.

4) Unwarranted conjecture and personal opinion masquerading as logic.

so do you think its possible that I could think it would be better to coalition earlier so we have more time in case we are wrong?

[Aristeia]

Anything is possible. I think its more likely you just dont have a townie mindset.

ok

[Aristeia]

we must be scum together

[Aristeia]

skitter to the rescue

[Aristeia]

throwalition

[Aristeia]

I am scumreading you

fire is a great amumu

[Aristeia]

Ari voting my coalition for show and then unvoting it makes me extremely happy.

Pedit play with feet.

HEAL: brass, shea, fire, skitter, tris

e-1

[Aristeia]

i think its p funny people think brass herald replaced into a game and came up with a winning coalition in about 10 minutes

[Aristeia]

it just looks like openwolfing to me but at least some of you believe in him so whatever

[Aristeia]

Ari voting my coalition for show and then unvoting it makes me extremely happy.

Pedit play with feet.

HEAL: brass, shea, fire, skitter, tris

e-1

I'm really, really not sure that this wins this ...

I'm almost certain it doesn't, I'm only doing this because shea annoys me

[Aristeia]

and like if it wins thats kind of nice too

[Aristeia]

it just looks like openwolfing to me but at least some of you believe in him so whatever

Werent u telling me like yesterday that u thought we should put bulge in

I changed my mind after thinking about it some more but i honestly will support anything atp just to get this over with

[Aristeia]

if shea is town this means he wants to eliminate me more than he wants to win

ladies find yourselves a man who loves you as much as shea loves his tunnels

[Aristeia]

I could e-1 shea's coalition and he would still think i'm trying to get in p wild

[Aristeia]

probly just sheep + brassherald

[Aristeia]

I will agree to the following coalition:

Me Tris Skitter Ari and Fire.

And then we can argue about which of ari or fire is scum later.

I think there is certainly scum in {hellbooks isis sheep}

I will agree to this coalition because Chef Shea is the best Chef in town

[Aristeia]

God I wish I was good enough to be partners with Ari this game.

You are good enough stop downplaying your skills

[Aristeia]

HURT: all
HEAL: tris,shea,ari,skitter,fire

[Aristeia]

if the team were me and ari here I would print this entire game out and use it to wallpaper my bedroom.

this is so dreamy

Datisi you need to take notes

[Aristeia]

I mean the normal way, which is by attempting to pocket people.

Who tho

I thought aris energy after she realized she couldn't omgus me off the scum read was extremely pockety.

I wear dresses and they don't have pockets so I think you are mistaken sir.

[Aristeia]

Tbh skitter is the only one whose approach to the coalitions here feels townie to me. Everyone else seems to not give a fuck.

I'm trying to let you cook sir

[Aristeia]

I mean the normal way, which is by attempting to pocket people.

Who tho

I thought aris energy after she realized she couldn't omgus me off the scum read was extremely pockety.

I felt the measured intensity and wavering confidence was either authentic or Oscarworthy and I don't play paranoid so

Prism made me learn how to do the "reflective stepback" because she was tired of watching me be a one trick pony when I roll scum.

[Aristeia]

Tbh skitter is the only one whose approach to the coalitions here feels townie to me. Everyone else seems to not give a fuck.

I'm trying to let you cook sir

no you've had don't give a fuck energy about who is in the coalition the whole game.

I see no reason to want to "just end it"

We have a shot to win the game here and we should take it seriously instead of just ehhh whatever.

I sheeped you and you complained it wasnt for real because I voted somewhere else later.

I then shrugged and sheeped you again and you now complain I don't care or whatever.

I don't think there's any way I can make you happy with the support I give you but you need to realize the issue here is you and not me because I am doing p much everything I can to support you and hoping you're right.

[Aristeia]

I mean the normal way, which is by attempting to pocket people.

Who tho

I thought aris energy after she realized she couldn't omgus me off the scum read was extremely pockety.

I felt the measured intensity and wavering confidence was either authentic or Oscarworthy and I don't play paranoid so

Prism made me learn how to do the "reflective stepback" because she was tired of watching me be a one trick pony when I roll scum.

you did it so well!!

not good enough to work on shea unfortunately i still need more practice

[Aristeia]

i can't wait until we find out that the reason everyone is okay with all of these options is bc tris is in all of them

the hero we don't deserve

[Aristeia]

HURT: The entire world
HEAL: Tris Shea Skitter Sheep Ari

shea made me do it

[Aristeia]

the best part of this is that datisi is going to be tired after playing phasmo and will have to dig through all our posts to figure out whether a coalition got hammered while he was busy playing hide and seek with the ghosties

[Aristeia]

sona is my favorite lol champion to play because i suck at aiming

[Aristeia]

he is busy hunting ghosties but he will be back soon

[Aristeia]

I would be pleasantly surprised if the game was over

[Aristeia]

VOTE: sheep

[Aristeia]

its blasting time

[Aristeia]

well hellbooks didnt say its game over so I guess we play on

[Aristeia]

its game over

[Aristeia]

im actually kind of sad we didnt get to go to blasting time this game was too short

[Aristeia]

its ok you are town in my heart

[Aristeia]

at least one of those is faking believing a post from hellbooks of all people imo

me pick me

[Aristeia]

need datisi

he's still hunting ghosts

[Aristeia]

I would be sad if my top townread was mafia - there is not enough cruelty in the universe for that to happen to me again >.>

[Aristeia]

would be an epic way to end the game

[Aristeia]

gg wp thx for the carry shea

[Aristeia]

VOTE: sheep

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: my feelings rn

[Aristeia]

Ari voting my coalition for show and then unvoting it makes me extremely happy.

Pedit play with feet.

HEAL: brass, shea, fire, skitter, tris

e-1

sheep was voting for this too and he placed e-2 vote so if he's mafia it has to be with someone on this list.

[Aristeia]

why can't sheep be paired with brassherald/bulge?

[Aristeia]

like the only coalition sheep supported was one where he was in it and one where brassherald was in it

he did not support a coalition where neither of them were in it

[Aristeia]

This feels very level one actually. If hellbooks or brass are sheeps partner and sheep is scum what was scums plan? Just hope I randomly suggested sheep as a replacement for you? How that bulge/brass got in despite that being a probably sub 50% chance at best?

I mean this logic assumes scum have a plan which like i dunno why that team would have one?

[Aristeia]

like if the team is sheep + bulge then

sheep's plan is to get into the coalition by "townclaiming"

and bulge's plan was to take a vow of silence and try not to mess it up for him?

[Aristeia]

I guess the thing that gives me pause is brassherald e-2'ing the tris/ari/shea/fire/skitter coalition

it would be a pretty bold move for scum!him to like risk that if paired with sheep

[Aristeia]

I'll reread tris later I don't really remember anything about her

[Aristeia]

i wish i was mafia

[Aristeia]

I want to trust shea but he might not be the best cook

[Aristeia]

I am kind of worried about skitter because she's so good but then again I think I am ok losing to her here if shes mafia.

[Aristeia]

serious gamers only

[Aristeia]

im willing to vote tris but i am deeply worried its going to be like a run it down the mid situation

[Aristeia]

i want tris to actually try we have a few days

[Aristeia]

I blame Datisi for my reads being bad this game he doesn't like to talk to me anymore. He's a professional ghost hunter now.

[Aristeia]

every time I play ahri support I get flamed by my carry for hardthrowing

[Aristeia]

your scumclaim made me so sad

[Aristeia]

yea

[Aristeia]

I am pretty gullible

[Aristeia]

I don't think I was ready for this game to be over

[Aristeia]

you're the only person in the world who thinks I'm locktown

[Aristeia]

its ok

if only you believe in me and i die i will die happy

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: for isis

I love this anime so much;

[Aristeia]

how is tris townier than sheep?

[Aristeia]

VOTE: tris

happy scumday shea

[Aristeia]

that post is a work of art

[Aristeia]

now that I know I can embed tiktoks noone is safe.

[Aristeia]

I don't actually think skitter is this good at reading me but I am willing to suspend my disbelief because I have FAITH

[Aristeia]

aristeia u feel like the isis mega-townread on you is warranted right

are you ever scared it's a pocket or anything

I don't really feel scared Isis is pocketing me because if she wins as mafia I would be really happy for her

[Aristeia]

I think she is probably the person who knows me best out of the entire playrlist

[Aristeia]

he's not a player

[Aristeia]

I kind of think you know me better than he does even if he was

[Aristeia]

sometimes I think because its a datisi game I want to force a win

but then I just htink its better to just everyone else have fun too

[Aristeia]

I would really be sad if I was wrong about you tho

[Aristeia]

i guess its not fair to put my happiness contingent on your alignment so i should just throw my reads into the river

i am sorry for that

[Aristeia]

i guess i would be happier if some combintation of skitter/shea/fire/bulge was runnig us over rather than the solve just being isis/tris

because I am so weak and soft

but i think my happiness is not that important

[Aristeia]

i should have just rolled mafia so I could just do what I want but instead I'm kind of just letting shea cook because whats the worst that can happen right

[Aristeia]

I would be surprised if she was mafia and a somewhat sad.

[Aristeia]

can u talk abt why cuz a lot of us find her wolfy I think

she feels townie to me

i dont think its impossible wolf!isis coudl post this way

I just struggle to see why she would post this way

I dont think anyone should take my read as like some kind of sacred text

I am not like good at this game

[Aristeia]

isis/tris would be like the easie answer

I don't believe in easy answers

I
'm not that lucky

[Aristeia]

or alternatively if u could summarize why u should be found as town for this game if u think those reasons exist

I should be found as town because I'm town

[Aristeia]

@shea my issue is that i'm not sure town-tris doesnt just play this way tho

Like is it unideal, yes
But i can see her as town playing like this ...

Read the ISO Isis posted. It's literally night and day

the worst timeline would be if mafia!Isis tried to white knight tris with an ISO and it just made Shea want to kill tris more

[Aristeia]

not voting [4]: brassherald, skitter30, tris, Isis

I am not a fan of skitter/isis saying no to tris but not really doing much to secure a different lim it feels wrong

[Aristeia]

Good luck with the chemotherapy Poseidon bless

Thanks! Last one woot woot!

wishing you the best

[Aristeia]

I think in the worst of worlds it's just skitter+isis twiddling their fingers and waiting for shea to kill tris but I did say I would let shea cook.

[Aristeia]

@shea my issue is that i'm not sure town-tris doesnt just play this way tho

Like is it unideal, yes
But i can see her as town playing like this ...

Read the ISO Isis posted. It's literally night and day

the worst timeline would be if mafia!Isis tried to white knight tris with an ISO and it just made Shea want to kill tris more

This is a thing I'm worried about tbh.

I think on the balance Tris is more likely to flip red than Isis though even not taking that into account.

ok but in the world that scum!isis didn't even read the iso before saying its the same iso doesn't that make tris town because um it would be quite bad to defend your teammate with an iso that doesn't even fit

[Aristeia]

Ari if you actually end up being scum this game I'm going to be so fucking mad I hope you know that.

teehee

[Aristeia]

I support you 100% despite all my doubts about whether we need to put that much truffle on a pasta with white sauce because I just want to let you cook.

[Aristeia]

It kind of feels like I'm the only person actually trying to solve this game to some extent. :/

true

[Aristeia]

Ari do you want me to vote tris? My townread on you is melee fox and my townread on her is like. Melee Samus. So it would be fine

I was kind of waiting to see what tris would do but feel free to do whatever your heart desires.

[Aristeia]

Ari how much do you townread Shea?

maybe 30% of an Isis townread

[Aristeia]

like if shea turned out to be mafia I'd be mildly annoyed but if you turned out to be mafia I'd be devastated.

[Aristeia]

I think it leaks in a lot of my posts I want to treat the Shea slot as town indefinitely and I'm not sure how serious intentions to re eval the slot are

I guess if he's actually mafia he's going to print this game out and wallpaper his room with it if he wins

[Aristeia]

It's hard to say which scum performances to be most proud of. If you never get scumread start to finish in some ways that's easier than comeback stuff

true

[Aristeia]

one thing I thought pointed to tris!scum was her non reaction to me voting her and putting her at e-2

viewtopic.php?p=13854280#p13854280

I kind of think town!tris would at least engage with me there or react in some way but she just kind of ignored it which is ? to me.

Like the scum explanation is that she just didnt know or want to react to it because she doesnt know how to fake her town reaction to it.

the town explanation is that she just doesnt really care?

I don't feel amazing about this lim but I've already paid the deposit at Chez Shea.

The one thing I did find townie about sheep was that part where he reacted to your twilight trolling with hellbooks by pulling his solve from like 10 pages ago with the ariana grande gif. I feel like as scum it might be harder for him to remember he had that solve and instantly react that way.

[Aristeia]

Also I think ppl should have more pride in sacrifice bunt scum games

I love sacrifice bunt scum games because you get to do lots of fun things and it feels so free

[Aristeia]

if we get random day end I just want it to be known I am worried about skitter because her energy level does not feel townie but that could just be because she's not as passionate about the game anymore.

[Aristeia]

i town

[Aristeia]

but the way she's being wagoned makes me think it's unlikely she's scum

can you expand on this thought? wdym by the way she's being wagoned?

also uh why aren't you voting for anyone?

[Aristeia]

tris [3]: Thestatusquo, fireisredsir, Aristeia
skitter30 [2]: hellbooks, Isis
Aristeia [2]: sheepsaysmeep, tris

not voting [2]: brassherald, skitter30

I think the worldview you're presenting to us is that tris/skitter/ari are all town

but you don't really feel like you're trying to dig us out of this hole we're in if your worldview is accurate?

[Aristeia]

did you have a good weekend Isis?

[Aristeia]

that's lovely

[Aristeia]

this game feels kind of dead >.>

[Aristeia]

i dont think she even townreads tris tho

[Aristeia]

hellbooks why do you want to blast skitter?

[Aristeia]

isis trying to resusicitate dead game on her own @.@

[Aristeia]

51-49 is not great odds >.<

[Aristeia]

i would be surprised if we win this

[Aristeia]

well we're either winning by so much the scum decided to do nothing or we're losing by so much the scum decided to do nothing and I am not lucky enough to be in the first world most of the time.

[Aristeia]

i dunno how skitter expects this line of play to really work out regardless of her alignment. its puzzling to me

[Aristeia]

of who? i already told you what I thought of tris alignment?

[Aristeia]

im fine switching to skitter if thats what you want to do

i have no idea if skitter is wking or defending a scumbuddy.

she feels very disengaged and thats usually a scumtell for her but she says she has irl so i dunno if thats why.

her posting and her worldview do not make a lot of sense to me.

[Aristeia]

VOTE: skitter e-1

[Aristeia]

hellbooks why do you want to blast skitter?

idk just makes a little more cents than tris to me id say maybe like 2 percent difference, something along the lines of 51-49

I meant more like originally why did you want to ?

[Aristeia]

I kind of think if skitter is mafia the partner is fire but I'm not even sure we'll get a red flip here so I'm going to just nod and pretend I know what I'm doing

[Aristeia]

I think scum doesnt particularly care abt who's in the coalition until it starts to coalesce, at whicu point they really care

I think it's better 1in 1out but idk if i've ever played a run where scum were purposefully aiming for that outcome, i think it's normally just trying for at least one getting in

i think this was a strategy point in the datisi/std team when they played

if i were scum here i would definitely be playing to have 1 in 1 out from the start

therefore skitter isn't scum with me. easy. one team crossed out

well if you go back to how std/datisi played - datisi basically shoved STD out of the coalition to hard distance the slot and then forgot to interact with STD/follow through on the scumread which is kind of what skitter is doing with your slot so it looks p partner'd if she's mafia.

though I guess you could make the case that skitter!scum knew I'd remember this point and purposefully did it this way to frame you but I think that's a bit of a stretch.

[Aristeia]

I feel like tris tried to recovered and failed and I just wanna kill that

hmmm i don't really understand this can you elaborate please?

[Aristeia]

I feel like tris tried to recovered and failed and I just wanna kill that

hmmm i don't really understand this can you elaborate please?

she was like “tomorrow I’m gonna sit down and read a bunch of ISO’s” and for the first time since the tris wagon formed I was like, oh shit I changed my mind she might be towny, and then nothing really happened much

but you were never voting for tris - you were voting for me so how could you change your mind to "she might be towny" ?

[Aristeia]

like you didn't think tris was townie and you saw everyone voting for her but you were fine voting for me with her?

that's like ??

[Aristeia]

I don't get it

[Aristeia]

1.27

[3]:

flavour

datisi if you think you're sneaking this one past me youve got another thing coming

can you explain this please I don't get it :>

[Aristeia]

But also you are technically my second choice I guess and I think it’s ok to be alongside tris voting u despite tris being my top choice imo that’s reasonable

I don't understand how someone can vote their "second choice" with their "first choice"

It's probably just me because I have a small brain

[Aristeia]

1273 Down the rockefeller street nightcore song datisi uses to bump for pagetop some times but watch it be a coincidence lol

this was the explanation, ari

he posted that flavor in vc #1.27 (and there was a 3 in the vc)

he often references that song

thanks I appreciate this

[Aristeia]

I literally don't even care anymore.

*hugs*

have a good night shea

[Aristeia]

this game needs like an "I swear to god this is right, do this shit or ur throwing" personality

[Aristeia]

whats the plan hellbooks

[Aristeia]

but sheep has more scum equity with skitter than tris does if you think skitter was wking tris?

[Aristeia]

ok but if you flip tris and she's town how do you get skitter tomorrow?

[Aristeia]

like if skitter is mafia she all but told you that tris is not mafia because she thinks its bad play to not bus in that scenario

[Aristeia]

I think if we lim sheep and he flips mafia we'll win the game because his only possible partners are shea + skitter since the partner had to have been a shoo-in and both skitter/shea agree on that

[Aristeia]

which I guess begs the question why skitter!scum would want to bus here because she'd just be killing herself if it goes through?

maybe if she thought she was going to get limmed today and wanted to distance for sheep? I dunno it doesn't feel like a satisfying answer

[Aristeia]

do you feel better about sheep?

[Aristeia]

bus and coast on the credit

[Aristeia]

If Im in round 8 of a grand prix and I pay 3 for Kozilek's Return deal 2 damage to all to remove a 2/2 and the 2/1 monkey created by the 1/3 Kari Zev, Skyship Raider, and my opponent puts both the Kari Zev and the monkey in the graveyard, is it cheating if I just don't say anything ??

it is cheating to not notify your opponent of errors in the game state

[Aristeia]

VOTE: skitter

I'm surprised

[Aristeia]

What if small creature aggro is my worst matchup tho

I think you'd just tell your opponent regardless of the match outcome/odds because you care more about playing honestly than winning the game.

[Aristeia]

i cheated in this game by peaking at skitter's role pm

why did you hammer skitter?

[Aristeia]

Aww who will cook for us now

[Aristeia]

I don't think a hellbooks/skitter team would have hellbooks point her laservoter at skitter forever unless skitter told her to and I don't think skitter would tell her to because she never felt like she had enough time to thread presence enough to avoid being chopped d1.

[Aristeia]

I don't think she would've been so receptive to putting bulge in the coalition to instayeet him if he was like partnered with her? Could be wrong about that - I'd have to do some actual rereading.

I think she was more annoyed because she thought tris would go through and she could wk her but then tris didn't go through.

[Aristeia]

I kind of think she was telling the truth about just bussing Tris 5 days ago if she were like partner'd with Tris though. Sitting on her hands why tris!partner goes to 4 votes is p ??

[Aristeia]

I kind of think she was telling the truth about just bussing Tris 5 days ago if she were like partner'd with Tris though. Sitting on her hands why tris!partner goes to 4 votes is p ??

idk i think if i am hard townreading my scum partner and everyone else is and then suddenly a bunch of people suspect them my first thought isn't to go "oh haha you guys are so right my bad ill vote there too"

i think you probably either do what skitter did which is try to look as stubbornly town and uninformed as possible or you hard push out someone else (sheep) but that probably doesn't win you endgame

ok but she wasnt hardpushing sheep when tris was getting shoved. she was just sitting on her vote not using it

[Aristeia]

i kinda think its fire but i havent actually reread anything because I am lazy.

sorry fire i promise i will try to be more open minded and less confbiased.

[Aristeia]

who do you think is scum if the 0-2 is a 0

i dont want to say but ive thought about it

what did you not want to say

mm now I don't want to say because I think it's wrong ^^

[Aristeia]

she has such a funny expression

[Aristeia]

Fun car sounds fun! I want ari to join me in the fun car, probably shea/bulge too

That's what i said!
Why are you putting the bulge in the coalition?

because I want me you fire and shea in the fun car

>:(

like I know games usually aren't this easy but like she doesn't seem to want fire to be in the fun car with us and that's kind of ?? to me because of how she is presenting her reads to thread and she seems to not want bulge in coalition over fire?

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i guess since half my fun car list is dead its really a death car and not a fun car which is tragic

if i limmed fire and then got shot at night it would be truly a death car

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im not sure how commenting on hellbooks making jokes up in advance is iioa in a page five post where im giving thoughts on everyone

like yea that is definitely I but what am i supposed to A io the I

I actually thought u were townie till this interaction

eh idk this is the latest read update on me

i don't think thats like necessarily a "must exclude from coal" read

I dunno I guess maybe she was just confused why I wanted to put bulge in but it would fit her being annoyed if I randomly put you and her in the fun car but I'm not sure how seriously she was taking me atp in time

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i think ari is making sense here (not necessarily in an alignment indicative way. could potentially be making sense as scum) but i think shea is still town

skitter posting is also fine rn imo

this feels like something scum!fire would say about the skitter-shea-ari slapfight early because its like trying to pull shea off his partner while also keeping shade on me

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How many correct townreads do I need to lock in to win

if you have three correct townreads it would be a win

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i'm at like

T

isis
ari
hellbooks
tris
sheep
bulge
fire

S

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i also thought her pushing back on shea like that was towny bc it was p obvious he wasn't gonna respond well to it

so why did you think me pushing back on shea was scummy?

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like strategically I think she knew pushing back on shea scumreading me atp in time was just going to make him double down on his read and help draw me to her side and if we fight she probably thinks shea flips me or i flip shea before she really gets in the firing line and she'd be fine?

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shea when did you decide you aren't sure if you believe in your ari scumread anymore?

what was the point of this question?

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so you asked shea to sort him?

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ikr

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Tris/me/shea

I want ari

I will begrudgingly compromise on the bulge for reasons stated

I would then go:
Sheep
Isis
Fire
Hellbooks

I agree with the top 3.

I don't want ari.

I want fire.

Can you walk me through why you don't?

I still think that the you/ari/fire thing wasnt all town; something feels icky to me there
But I think ari is town (i don't think her play here matches what i'd expect scum-her to do, like at all) and i want her in the coalition
I've come around to you being town
Fire i still don't really like how he positioned himself in the you/ari thing, and i didnt really like his response to ari trying to see if he was willing to act on his stated worldview

I will agree to the following coalition:

Me Tris Skitter Ari and Fire.

And then we can argue about which of ari or fire is scum later.

I think there is certainly scum in {hellbooks isis sheep}

I'm just saying right now if this fails (and i think it will) that i think it's fire

Shea if i vote for you/me/tris/ari/fire
And it fails
Would u be willing to vote fire tom?

I'm pretty sure that the coalition isn't going to happen unless you have both Skitter and TSQ on board based on everyone else voting right now, so, like a vote for one not endorsed by the both of you is a waste

It's unfortunate we have diametric reads on ari/fire, isnt it >.>

It is which is why I asked about sheep. I didn't read the rules hard enough to know if we lose if no coalition is reached but it seems like that's probably a thing

Oh did you? I missed that
I probably hate it less than the fire option

I am at the point where i would vote the fire one expecting it to fail if everyone really wants to move on so badly

With the understanding that if it fails i push fire after

Also ngl i have like maybe an hour (if that) then i gotta bounce till friday so these are probably the options if this is ehat it's coming down to

Pedit ok u want to do sheep instead?

like she shoved you pretty hard out of the coalition consideration - so uh why didn't you think it was scummy if you're like town?

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Let's lim you and lock in this legacy take

this is really funny

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yea you're just too nice & sweet

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VOTE: sheep

There's no way to read his reaction to me and skitter trying to work through the coalition at the end as townie for skitter and scummy for me besides optimism.

while we're here, reasonably possible imo that sheep shot shea to lock in a legacy townread and prevent him from going back to this thought process which i think he probably would have

I don't think shea really townread sheep? he just didn't want to elim sheep first because if sheep was mafia it would have to be with someone in the coalition already.

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yea you're just too nice & sweet

this sounds sarcastic but its probably bc you think i am lying scum :<

no I really do think you are just a really nice person

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the faking his own death is a classic scum!shea move

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I guess I kind of just want to know why you never really engaged with skitter about her scumread of you? or maybe you did and I just missed it.

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of course

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aka how do you tell the difference between scummy post and town whose busting out none of the chops

you wait for hellbooks to point her laser pointer at people

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um why wouldnt you kill shea if he thinks you're skitters partner and he is p stubborn?

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does he?

oh well in that case i wouldn't have killed him bc i missed that

mmmhmmm

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I kind of think if skitter is mafia the partner is fire but I'm not even sure we'll get a red flip here so I'm going to just nod and pretend I know what I'm doing

I was thinking something similar.

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Fire is being extremely weird.

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its probably because my scum partner skitter is in danger of being limmed and im panicking

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could be!

could also be any number of other things. Did you eat lunch today?

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also you didn't answer hellbooks about who you would kill

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I don't think anyone would not kill TSQ and the quality of the thread in day 2 explains exactly why he was the obvious choice.

I miss him too. sorry i have been busy this weekend >.>

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I kind of think if skitter is mafia the partner is fire but I'm not even sure we'll get a red flip here so I'm going to just nod and pretend I know what I'm doing

I was thinking something similar.

this one ok fair. the others i don't really read the same way. it's true i was being weird and i thought his comments were unrelated to alignment

he townread me most of the game tho so i don't really think id be scared of one minor agreement instead of just killing you. i think thats what id probably do? idk

thats true - I just didn't think you would have like not killed him if you were mafia. do you feel sure about BH? why?

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i wouldn't have thought to kill him bc i like having people who talk a lot around when im maf unless they're like major threats to me (which you would be), and i thought he still mostly townread me

i don't feel sure about brass but mostly thats bc i thought that his push on me was like really obviously scummy and nobody else seemed to care and most of you are town so idk maybe im wrong

i do think it's probably in tris/sheep/brass but idk how to find one of those as town which i probably need to do if y'all want me yeeted

and im like not exactly even confident on clearing isis and brooks so idk lol

im not really sure how to resolve this unsureness either but i have also been busy this weekend. maybe ill continue the reread tomorrow

ok but it doesn't really feel like you're trying to sort between your suspects

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the way he's posting around skitter feels awkward to me

tell me more please

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ok so between brass and sheep who do you feel stronger about?

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Aristeia is the alt art umbreon vmax that is the most expensive card in standard with a sun and moon badge attached

I use max darkness to hide my blush.

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hope all goes well BH

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VOTE: sheep

staccato

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ty

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wolfy poppins

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*fingers crossed*