Micro 1089: the coalition, again [game over]

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at least one of those is faking believing a post from hellbooks of all people imo

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VOTE: fireisredsir
Did not feel like she tried to make sure we got a high quality coalition at all
Pedit: these logics about sheep are muse worthy

after thinking on it a bit, i think the lack of self-awareness in this post is actually a little towny

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i am assuming isis did not hammer her own loss

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i think both lossclaim posts also read very much like jokes

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but yeah haha gg

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shea/ari/skitter/sheep/you i believe

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Idi U Tri Pičke Materine

banned

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I am unhappy

expand on this

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extremely unlikely lmao

did you think we would

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Shea voted hellbooks which just isn't a good vote. It may have been a joke vote but I don't know that

It was clearly a joke vote?

I'm not sure it's as clear as you think

why is this a thing you're focusing on

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its kinda fun we let bulge ride on the roof

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this game has a stupid freaking lack of data

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shea when did you decide you aren't sure if you believe in your ari scumread anymore?

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if you extrapolate from how things have gone so far i think thats a reasonable conclusion

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i think maybe the best argument for shea scum in regard to recent behavior is that it felt like he kept pivoting towards being willing to lim whichever person he was also pushing towards putting in the coalition which is kind of strange on the face of it

he may dispute this recollection but that was what it felt like at least

i don't reallllly think he's scum but it felt more believable in that moment than in other moments

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why do you think isis is scummy?

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i can't find where you talked about it at all tbh

is this about the voting outside the coalition thing?

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my initial thought was feeling like sheep was set up to be the easy first lim in this coal but i guess if he's partnered with hellbooks or brass then that isn't really applicable and the people pushing him are just correct

and those are fairly believable pairings

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my initial thought was feeling like sheep was set up to be the easy first lim in this coal but i guess if he's partnered with hellbooks or brass then that isn't really applicable and the people pushing him are just correct

and those are fairly believable pairings

I think if it was like that I would have played differently the last few days when none of us were making it in

hmm maybe

wouldn't that also apply to ari tho

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no my immediate reaction to the coalition was to want a tris vote as well, i was half memeing earlier but i think it makes the most sense given how things played out

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my initial thought was feeling like sheep was set up to be the easy first lim in this coal but i guess if he's partnered with hellbooks or brass then that isn't really applicable and the people pushing him are just correct

and those are fairly believable pairings

This feels very level one actually. If hellbooks or brass are sheeps partner and sheep is scum what was scums plan? Just hope I randomly suggested sheep as a replacement for you? How that bulge/brass got in despite that being a probably sub 50% chance at best?

i just think there are worlds where things didn't go according to scum's plan and they didn't really know how to deal with that

like 50% of the time these games end in a correct town coalition. you could argue in those "what is scum's plan here??" but they just got shut out and lost. i don't think it's impossible here that scum were close to losing. im not really sure it's the most likely possibility but i was just kind of reminding myself that it is actually possible

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idk, if i get to the point where i am considering that as a team i will look into it more but rn i don't really care to bc i am not really considering them to be the team

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the dream is still alive. the fans will be happy to hear this

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it turns out i wasn't actually ready for blasting

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i guess i probably do think ari is town

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VOTE: tris

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I think tris is townier than sheep in a vacuum, by a lot, and shea has these compelling big brain paradigms for flipping that on its head, but I wanna just lim the scummiest slots

this feels like scumagendaposting to me idk

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i am not sure if an element of my readflip on tris is her readflip on me. usually i am pretty not omgus. and part of me thinks that she wouldn't really need to do that in that position? it feels more like something that could have come as a natural evolution of thought from reading the game, bc im not sure she really would need to suspect me there?

but also it did come like right after the discussion of how she didn't have any scumreads and hadn't really scumread anyone all game and so she probably had to find one on somebody and i guess scum could probably pick me. and also sheep

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tris can you talk through your thought process of how your reads on me and sheep changed?

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like that ! (probably not)

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i find this stuff compelling without looking bad

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i think she looks really different there yea

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that was an affirmative and not my indicating that my post was addressed to ydrasse

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tris can you talk through your thought process of how your reads on me and sheep changed?

i think it felt like you were nervous about not being in the coalition and were trying to shake things up with ideas that didnt really make any sense to me.

which ideas?

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maybe we should try to put 2 scum in the coalition bc then it's easier to find the first one

and then nobody will have to feel pressure to get this phase right

(and then, obviously, our attempts will result in us somehow getting a winning coal anyway)

i think this. i thought there was more. or maybe my brain is just glazing over posts rgiht now

that one was like fully a joke

although the posts after it were a different idea i was genuinely considering, although was proposing it lightly, i didn't really expect anyone to take it seriously

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This was also tris playing a towncore building game. I feel like she has done more than that here

Are you trolling? That iso is starkly different on my first glance.

i think she looks really different there yea

do you think its more town there? if so, in what way

there's more of a balance in solving in the scumward direction i felt

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move over fire/sheep team, the new leading fan favorite is the isis/tris team

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im still learning how to navigate this post

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im glad nested spoilers got fixed with the site update so that this post could be possible

ive never actually read the book, just heard people talk about it, but i imagine this is what reading house of leaves feels like

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i can't find the origin point of the 4th footnote

is this meaningful

is it a sign

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i think in order to understand this post i need to go read plato in order to understand aristotle in order to understand teleology in order to understand weber

and also wuthering heights, probably

and maybe watch a mets game

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i will preface this by saying that this post was not for you

Not once i get my hands on it im gonna squeeze every last gucking bit of data from this gucking game

ty

also i got 2894 but the difference is probably just in what qualifies as a word. close enough

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as for the actual content part of that i think the piece that i would most like to acknowledge is the bit about shea and taking into consideration the different potential playstyles

i do agree with that to an extent and i think that was a big part of why i was originally believing certain aspects of tris to not actually be very scummy at all

i think my mind changed when i felt like there was something wrong with the way the coalition was forming at the end. i guess if shea or skitter were scum then things would probably play out similarly and they would just be taking a different, more active approach to the thread

ill think about that idk

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i dont think i said i didnt like this coalition. but obv it was wrong. sheep is the easy answer. i hope its scum outside the coalition. i dont think hellbooks is it. im kinda feeling isis town because she's pocketting me. so i guess that leaves fire and brass if its outside the coal

Fire and me is literally impossible can you like think for 30 seconds?

this was responding to a question was asking who was scum outside the coalition (if any) and i believe she was proposing us as the two possibilities to her

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not that we were a team

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i don't think skitter is necessarily threadspewed also

its been a while i think since ive seen scum skitter after her being scum in like 3 of the first 4 games i played w her or something

i just feel like she's approached things in the way that she would as town and i don't think that her approach to the coalition forming really makes sense as scum unless she's like partnered with tris and thus has no pressure to do anything in particular

but she could be scum just playing in a different way than i expect idk

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personally i don't really feel like that's a great metric for reading people tbh

i think making specific people who you want to feel this way think you're interacting with them in good faith is like a very common thing to fake as mafia, for me at least

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thats fine (conciliatory)

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What if it's triskitter

i had this thought yes

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i also was only like 40% joking when i was saying tris was scum as coalition phase was ending i want credit too

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sorry im very low effort here for a little bit but ill be back engaged in like idk a few days

i think y'all are doing great. i believe in you. keep it up

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you say i can go back and just read that section of this game but apparently i can't type in a page number on this site did we lose that in 3.3?!!?!?!? wtf

no the button icon is just really bad its the one that has like an arrow pointing

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one of the signatures always lies and the other one always tells the truth

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i actually kind of agree yes

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it's weird because she has so many posts you would think that some of them feel towny

but i haven't really felt it from any of them (except the ate maybe) until now

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i think brass is still a possibility for scum btw some of his posts have felt a little off to me

but unfamiliarity w the player etc etc

im not entirely sure skitter would play this way around a partner but it's possible i guess, and it does look pretty surface level bad if tris is actually scum

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skitter it feels like you scumread shea and sheep and isis and me which of those is wrong

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it feels like you don't want to give up any ground towards any of those names which is like, idk, kinda questionable imo as a town approach?

it doesn't feel like you're trying to sort the slots you're just maintaining your scumreads bc you know you'll need them later

obviously not all of those are scum but it feels like every time you engage with any of those slots you're just like "well i think they're not town so"

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i town

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overapologizing is something i try to do less but i do wonder if its a habit or a part of my personality that is very hard to change

same

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my brain hasn't really been on this sorry uhh

i don't want to yeet ari

i think we should yeet tris or skitter

skitter's most recent posts didn't really make me feel anything except a slight hesitation on the skitter/tris pairing due to her standing by the townread there, but idk maybe that's just one of the chess moves

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2 days left

probably prefer a tris yeet

partly bc i don't think i care about skitter's read there since it's a gamestate one based on suspicion of the sheepshea team which i dont really agree on

it's a possible world where that's just a town skitter misreading tris. there are notes of the stubbornness there

it's also possible it's a scum skitter white knighting tris. i guess an argument for this would be that she isn't really pushing much for eliminating the people she thinks are scum so she's kinda doing the willy wonka "nooo don't elim trissss" thing where she doesn't actually really care that much

i might be convinced by that argument actually idk

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i am still sort of unsure if scum skitter plays coalition forming phase like that if paired with like say brassherald for example but eh maybe she just is better (she is) and knows that her approach would get her townread eventually

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tbh the main reason i am hesitating to vote skitter is bc i pushed for her lim last game cause i thought her posting wasn't up to her town standard and then she ended up being just town who was busy

that doesn't mean she can't be scum who is also just busy here but idk some aspects do feel similar

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i probably still would vote her in the end but i am slightly less eager to

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if we assume that tris and skitter would prefer the other to be elimmed than themselves then currently that makes sheep the swing voter

does anyone have any strong reasons that they prefer one over the other or are we all just kinda in undecided limbo

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i do see ari's point

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one team that popped into my head was skitter/tris bc i think skitter seeming somewhat resigned to being outside was surprising to me. i think she wouldn't do that as scum with very many people though but if it was anyone i think it would be if she was with a consensus townread? i don't really actively scumread either of these tho

i forgot that i was ahead of the times

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therefore skitter isn't scum with me. easy. one team crossed out

sorry it's already been ruled out

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yea idk i was checking my iso to see how believable that read was and i think it is pretty believable

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we'll get an elim dw

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she is on vacation tho which makes it a little harder for me to penalize her for not ending up having the time

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Aristeia

Thestatusquo

sheepsaysmeep (circumstantial instead of happyvibes feelings)

tris
skitter30

hellbooks
brassherald The Bulge*

fireisredsir (green w sheep though)

Isis confscum

what's changed since this for you

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what about a sheep/brassherald team

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ig brass tried to vote for one that had neither

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i would never in a billion years have caught that im impressed

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im not sure when exactly i stopped thinking isis is scum but ive realized that i haven't really felt that in a bit

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town:

[ari hellbooks isis shea me]

scum:

[sheep tris skitter brassherald]


hm this doesn't seem right

this shakes out to be one scum in the top group and one in the bottom group at least 8 times out of 10 imo

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i think the force of the big post knocked them off

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1273 Down the rockefeller street nightcore song datisi uses to bump for pagetop some times but watch it be a coincidence lol

this was the explanation, ari

he posted that flavor in vc #1.27 (and there was a 3 in the vc)

he often references that song

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i think if i attempted to explain any of my reads they would immediately crumple and collapse under the pressure

i apologize for not being very mentally engaged in this game i will try to fix that

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you can see this happen in real time in 1837

note the optimistic "i think this reaffirmed my read" at the end which is mostly me trying to convince myself that it did. i think my townread gradually slipped away in the time since making that post

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free advice to any scums out there. if you want me to slowly lose faith in my townread on someone that you want my help yeeting, just ask me to justify it

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i was going to question skitter on her worldview but then i thought about the answer to my question and i realized her worldview actually does make sense to me

more than i initially thought at least

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skitter vs tris as leading wagons was decidedly boring maybe it will be more interesting if its skitter vs sheep wagons

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its probably because my scum partner skitter is in danger of being limmed and im panicking

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most of the flavours seem to be jokes but this one is just kinda cute imo

maybe its supposed to be cringe or something. im cringe tho

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read through pages 1-60 of the coal forming stage and have a few thoughts based on that

i haven't looked at the end of the coal phase or the post-coal phase (we invented renewable energy sources) yet but i expect that may have some interesting bits as well obviously. i have stronger memories of those tho

1) i think ari is really unlikely scum. i don't think she has much reason to come in and side with partner ari against shea there, she knows how he'll respond to that. if anything she would want to get on shea's side and push herself in while pushing ari out

2) i think shea is pretty unlikely to be scum?the way she handled shea vs ari feels like it's a tvt to me. it's slightly more likely than ari i think, but i don't really see it. the way he responded to skitter coming in and just a lot of stuff he's done this game feel pretty distinctly town shea to me

3) if it's bulge/brassherald, which i think it pretty easily could be, then i think skitter probably just knew that she would likely be able to make her way into the coal eventually and could just push her partner + some townies out of the way, and continually shade people to keep herself as one of the few consensus towns. i actually think this is probably the best strategy from her position. she kept trying to maintain scumreads on me/sheep/bulge/brooks/isis/shea. so basically everyone except tris/ari lol. and if she succeeds in undermining the perception of at least 4 of those being town (not that hard to do) then she makes it in. she also never really pushed him until she was solidly in the coal, and focused on her scumreads of me/shea and brooks and isis at times

4) i think similarly it could be sheep? his handling of her is slightly awkward and i think that she started with a default "i don't townread sheep why does everyone townread sheep" which then pivoted into more firmly pushing him out once she got some townreads. probably post-coal has more insights here

5) based on just coal forming and interactions i still think it very easily could be tris. i don't think thats my first pick though. it just would mean that skitter would be trying to boost the perception of tris being threadspewed town, rather than specifically playing for 1 in 1 out

6) isis felt townier to me on reread. i think the strangest part was where it felt like she was inserting herself into skitter's pocket when skitter didn't really ever take much action to initiate that. and isis said that skitter was scumreading her before skitter really pivoted into that (she originally townread isis) which felt oddly prophetic. it would be a slightly bold approach i guess to just openly hard townread and proxy vote your partner but also it's probably a really good approach so she might go for it

7) idk i just don't really think it's hellbooks lmao i don't have a good reason. i guess it's plausible that she would be leaning into the setting herself up as opposing skitter but not very loudly/convincingly and accepting that she is going to be the one left out. so strategically it actually fits pretty well. maybe im snowed

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i guess a follow up thought is that i would think that if it's sheep, then skitter wouldn't have much reason to spend like 48 hours debating between who should go in her coal between me and sheep as the 5th member. it's really quite bad actually to have the 5th member be scum bc they're the most likely to be yeeted. so i would think she'd only go the route of putting him in if she was gonna just instabus him. which she oddly avoided doing for quite a long time

probably optimal would have been to just come up with a progression to townread me (easy. she townreads me all the time even counter to thread perception) and then push sheep out and get everyone to agree. maybe it's slightly hard to get people to agree to one with me in it? i guess that's the argument? but she could sell people on it if she tried, probably

(this is also sneakily a reason to townread me bc she could have also just put sheep in right away and pushed me out. please townread me thanks)

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@fireis: you townread hellbooks just because?

i think she feels pretty uninformed and i don't really have any idea what the big post accomplishes if she's scum with skitter

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but it's a weak read i guess. i wouldn't be surprised if she flips scum. i just think they would have done more to appear unaligned knowing that skitter was the one in the coal and would therefore either have to sweep through everyone else or die first

i guess brooks was in the coal for a while at the start actually and maybe skitter was hoping that would stick around

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im definitely reading into too much but it felt like skitter was mildly annoyed with how things went this game and i feel like she would be if she was partners with bulge

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I don't think she would've been so receptive to putting bulge in the coalition to instayeet him if he was like partnered with her? Could be wrong about that - I'd have to do some actual rereading.

I think she was more annoyed because she thought tris would go through and she could wk her but then tris didn't go through.

i didn't think she was thaaat receptive more like "hmm that's not an awful idea" but idk i didn't get that far yet

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I kind of think she was telling the truth about just bussing Tris 5 days ago if she were like partner'd with Tris though. Sitting on her hands why tris!partner goes to 4 votes is p ??

idk i think if i am hard townreading my scum partner and everyone else is and then suddenly a bunch of people suspect them my first thought isn't to go "oh haha you guys are so right my bad ill vote there too"

i think you probably either do what skitter did which is try to look as stubbornly town and uninformed as possible or you hard push out someone else (sheep) but that probably doesn't win you endgame

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i don't think it's fritter

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that is a really cute team name so it's tempting

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I kind of think she was telling the truth about just bussing Tris 5 days ago if she were like partner'd with Tris though. Sitting on her hands why tris!partner goes to 4 votes is p ??

idk i think if i am hard townreading my scum partner and everyone else is and then suddenly a bunch of people suspect them my first thought isn't to go "oh haha you guys are so right my bad ill vote there too"

i think you probably either do what skitter did which is try to look as stubbornly town and uninformed as possible or you hard push out someone else (sheep) but that probably doesn't win you endgame

ok but she wasnt hardpushing sheep when tris was getting shoved. she was just sitting on her vote not using it

yes i know, i gave two possibilities of what she could do. hard pushing sheep was the second one

if she hard pushes sheep she yeets a townie but what happens next? one of her or tris is going to get flipped and when they do she's just tied them together pretty strongly

my point is that if she had gone in townreading tris i don't think she had a lot of good options once people turned on tris, and made the best with what she had, to make people think she was white knighting

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(this is all if tris is scum -- i don't really think thats the most likely option but i do think it's possible)

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tbh if she's not partnered with sheep or tris i don't see a lot of reason for her not to push sheep harder so maybe that should just be the poe and i forget about brassherald

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like if tris is actually town and she forces a sheep yeet then she just got 2 townies for herself probably which means whoever her partner is then gets a shot at 3p elo

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tbh if she's not partnered with sheep or tris i don't see a lot of reason for her not to push sheep harder so maybe that should just be the poe and i forget about brassherald

idk. why didnt she do that if im scum

didn't you just say that my reasoning for why she wouldn't was a good theory

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i guess probably the argument for her not being paired with tris is that she wouldn't really want to be in that coal in the first place

but i guess she did drag her feet pretty hard on forming one. she probably could have like done something to change the situation tho

idk i haven't reread that part yet

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@fireis: you townread hellbooks just because?

i think she feels pretty uninformed and i don't really have any idea what the big post accomplishes if she's scum with skitter

You know how when you have a temporary moment of lucidity in a class so you just quickly put your hand up to answer one of the teachers questions so that you dont get called on for the rest of it

no but thats a good idea

usually they've just learned not to call on me

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can you play mafia on a ti84

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who do you think is scum if the 0-2 is a 0

i dont want to say but ive thought about it

what did you not want to say

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that is pretty weird tbh

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im not sure how commenting on hellbooks making jokes up in advance is iioa in a page five post where im giving thoughts on everyone

like yea that is definitely I but what am i supposed to A io the I

I actually thought u were townie till this interaction

eh idk this is the latest read update on me

i don't think thats like necessarily a "must exclude from coal" read

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im independently towny

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i think that regardless of partner, the way that skitter played seems to indicate to me that she was smarter than the rest of us and foresaw that we were not in fact coalitioning on page 15. or page 30. or page 50

so i think early stuff where she was willing to be excluded and stuff is not so meaningful bc she knew we wouldn't actually commit to that yet

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skitter was posting fine tho bc she was correctly calling you towny! she just happened to have tmi

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i also thought her pushing back on shea like that was towny bc it was p obvious he wasn't gonna respond well to it

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T

fire
ari
hellbooks?
isis?

tris? sheep? bulge? idk ive gone back and forth on these

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i also thought her pushing back on shea like that was towny bc it was p obvious he wasn't gonna respond well to it

so why did you think me pushing back on shea was scummy?

i don't thiiiink i did? i think i thought it was nai and slightly towny at points. i thought you were scummy for other reasons mostly. i didn't fact check this but thats what i remember

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like strategically I think she knew pushing back on shea scumreading me atp in time was just going to make him double down on his read and help draw me to her side and if we fight she probably thinks shea flips me or i flip shea before she really gets in the firing line and she'd be fine?

skitter smart

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there was some point of his progression that i found odd let me see if i can find it

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me, scrolling through pages and pages looking for a baltar pfp and thinking "huh, weird that shea hasn't posted on any of these pages"

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so you asked shea to sort him?

i had doubts on all of skitter/tris/shea after coal forming concluded bc of the way it went down. i think the shea doubts didn't last very long

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Tris/me/shea

I want ari

I will begrudgingly compromise on the bulge for reasons stated

I would then go:
Sheep
Isis
Fire
Hellbooks

I agree with the top 3.

I don't want ari.

I want fire.

Can you walk me through why you don't?

I still think that the you/ari/fire thing wasnt all town; something feels icky to me there
But I think ari is town (i don't think her play here matches what i'd expect scum-her to do, like at all) and i want her in the coalition
I've come around to you being town
Fire i still don't really like how he positioned himself in the you/ari thing, and i didnt really like his response to ari trying to see if he was willing to act on his stated worldview

If we swap fire for ari and then don't win would you be willing to consider limming ari?

HURT: all

I will agree to the following coalition:

Me Tris Skitter Ari and Fire.

And then we can argue about which of ari or fire is scum later.

I think there is certainly scum in {hellbooks isis sheep}

Ari scum read is fun and comfortable but I don't really think it's right anymore.

oh yeah it was going back and seeing the first 2 posts

that just felt a little slimy to me to be pushing for you to be in the coal and pinning it failing on you but then later saying that he didn't really feel the scumread anymore

and i wasn't sure why the read really would have changed since the first two posts were made so it made it feel like in them he wasn't posting his true thoughts

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shea when did you decide you aren't sure if you believe in your ari scumread anymore?

Like a week ago

and this response confirmed that he had been thinking it for a while so that made me double hmmm

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and i thought his immediate push onto sheep at start of phase was scummy but then the pivot onto tris felt towny

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VOTE: sheep

There's no way to read his reaction to me and skitter trying to work through the coalition at the end as townie for skitter and scummy for me besides optimism.

while we're here, reasonably possible imo that sheep shot shea to lock in a legacy townread and prevent him from going back to this thought process which i think he probably would have

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i think i have to find a town in tris/sheep/brass first

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why do you scumread me anyway

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i remember now that i told myself i wasn't supposed to just let people scumread me forever for no reason bc then scum can just sit on that all game and never be challenged

i keep forgetting

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i think i just need to like up my omgus levels

whenever someone scumreads me unless the reasoning is really bad im just like "huh yeah ok thats reasonable"

but obviously scum is in theory slightly more likely to scumread town than town are so like i should probably account for that and be more critical

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yea you're just too nice & sweet

this sounds sarcastic but its probably bc you think i am lying scum :<

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i think i just need to like up my omgus levels

whenever someone scumreads me unless the reasoning is really bad im just like "huh yeah ok thats reasonable"

but obviously scum is in theory slightly more likely to scumread town than town are so like i should probably account for that and be more critical

I'm 100% likely to be mafia


Flipping one of the guaranteed coalition slots looks really bad for someone who was apathetic about picking the coalition and advocating themselves into the coalition

Ig I could say the same thing about hellbooks but she is tftbw

this isn't why you scumread me tho you have scumread me all game

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VOTE: sheep

There's no way to read his reaction to me and skitter trying to work through the coalition at the end as townie for skitter and scummy for me besides optimism.

while we're here, reasonably possible imo that sheep shot shea to lock in a legacy townread and prevent him from going back to this thought process which i think he probably would have

I don't think shea really townread sheep? he just didn't want to elim sheep first because if sheep was mafia it would have to be with someone in the coalition already.

well that's kinda my point yeah

i think he was pushing hard on don't lim sheep rhetoric but i think he believed that sheep potentially could be paired with skitter/tris, and was more pushing against other possible pairings

so on a surface level it looks like a townread (is is response to nk was to say that shea wouldn't want us to lim sheep) where if he had lived it may not have been one

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FvSvA had 1 scum it felt like to me

put another S in there and you have your answer imo

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um yes she did and then shea got mad at her for it

im pretty sure she did more than i did

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i really do not think the scumteam is skitter and ari

i really do not think the scumteam is skitter and ari

I am very interested in hearing why if you have a moment.

i think both of them are content to be left out of the coalition and i think they genuinely mean it and are aware that it is actually fairly likely to happen at this moment

i think ari is making sense here (not necessarily in an alignment indicative way. could potentially be making sense as scum) but i think shea is still town

skitter posting is also fine rn imo

i think that post is reasonable logic if you start from the position of shea being scum however i think shea is town

i think that post is reasonable logic if you start from the position of shea being scum however i think shea is town

I don't think its reasonable for a town player to lockscum someone without presenting a thought process and I would be disappointed if he was actually town and played this way

i think he does probably have a thought process but is being obstinant/indignant bc he's like that

maybe im giving him too much benefit of the doubt idk

but he puts a priority on imitating his towngame (at the cost of other things at times) and i don't think that he thinks he plays like this as town even if he does

it's like fair to scumread him over it i think but i just don't really think he is

like im not even really sure what you're talking about because these are the posts that i can find that could possibly be construed as me inserting myself into shea vs ari and they come actually more as a response to shea criticizing skitter for inserting herself into shea vs ari

please quote or link the posts that you are talking about

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i don't really understand how you could "feel really strongly" about this gamestate read without having an understanding of what the conflict actually looked like or who was involved so i think i must be missing something

please correct where im wrong

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ok i don't think that really had anything to do with the shea vs ari conflict so maybe thats the confusion here

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shea didn't state a read on ari until 337

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like maybe you are saying that me vs shea was one conflict and that conflict had a scum

which okay sure but why do you feel that strongly

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and otherwise i don't think it makes any sense to pull ari into it bc me vs shea didn't have anything to do with ari

and shea vs ari was interjected by skitter more than me so having that as a basis for your read on me is kinda questionable

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i do prefer being accurate yes but why do you feel strongly that has a scum in it

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i was trying to placate shea

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i don't know why i as scum would force myself into an interaction with shea where i question him on something and also try to placate him. like what does that accomplish. it probably just annoys him and doesn't improve my standing with anyone

but i felt obligated to as town because i wanted to try to sort him bc i didn't understand his thought process. but i tried to placate at the same time bc i wanted to try to minimize the chances of the questioning upsetting him and making him lash out. i don't think i did a very good job of that but i felt like i needed to ask bc i am uninformed as to his alignment and i thought it may help me find it

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and it actually did help me find him as town

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I guess I kind of just want to know why you never really engaged with skitter about her scumread of you? or maybe you did and I just missed it.

i did in 537 and 548, then again and 917 and 931

arguably 1149, and 2414

that was i believe a response every time she gave a reason for the read on me

i didn't really proactively engage with it like sit her down and be like "hey. skitter. why" but i also don't think i really ever do that except for when i remember that it's probably actually a good thing to do like i just did with isis

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I feel like optimal play for scum in this, and Skitter is smart so she may have seen this, is to have one in the coalition to not give a win and one out of the coalition so as to not force all the night kills outside of the coalition.

So basically I think Tris, although not playing particularly well is clear. And skitter's absolute refusal to let fire in may be scum indicative for fire. I need to think but Isis may actually be on to something here

VOTE: fire

Looking at skitter's voting going by my theory that she didn't want her partner in the coalition I think it's just fire

i don't think this is really very accurate:

Spoiler:

I need to contemplate both of u some more

If i had to pick i probbbbbbabbbbbly go with fire but i am waffling and am not sure

sheepsaysmeep [5]: sheepsaysmeep, fireisredsir, tris, skitter30, Thestatusquo
fireisredsir [5]: tris, sheepsaysmeep, Thestatusquo, skitter30, fireisredsir
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Aristeia [5]: Thestatusquo, fireisredsir, skitter30, tris, Isis
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The Bulge [5]: The Bulge, tris, Thestatusquo, Isis, sheepsaysmeep
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Isis [5]: The Bulge, tris, Thestatusquo, Aristeia, fireisredsir
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tris [5]: sheepsaysmeep, tris, hellbooks, fireisredsir, skitter30
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Thestatusquo [5]: The Bulge, tris, Thestatusquo, fireisredsir, skitter30
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skitter30 [3]: skitter30, tris, Aristeia
hellbooks [1]: tris

am i like grossly misreading fire here >.>
i'm kinda wary abt putting fire in but i think he's in litereally every option

bizarrely reviewing these i think i probably like sheep/fire's or tsq's the best

Shea if i vote for you/me/tris/ari/fire
And it fails
Would u be willing to vote fire tom?

I'm pretty sure that the coalition isn't going to happen unless you have both Skitter and TSQ on board based on everyone else voting right now, so, like a vote for one not endorsed by the both of you is a waste

It's unfortunate we have diametric reads on ari/fire, isnt it >.>

It is which is why I asked about sheep. I didn't read the rules hard enough to know if we lose if no coalition is reached but it seems like that's probably a thing

Oh did you? I missed that
I probably hate it less than the fire option

I am at the point where i would vote the fire one expecting it to fail if everyone really wants to move on so badly

With the understanding that if it fails i push fire after

Also ngl i have like maybe an hour (if that) then i gotta bounce till friday so these are probably the options if this is ehat it's coming down to

Pedit ok u want to do sheep instead?

when she first started coalescing she was leaning towards me being the 5th and seemed generally willing to do that. i think there easily could have been a push from people to make the shea/tris/skitter/ari/fire coalition happen

but then it didn't happen, and gradually she started pivoting more towards "i don't want fire in, but if we do that then i want to lim there"

which like okay yeah maybe she could be setting up to bus but actively offering that is i think pretty different from "absolute refusal"

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VOTE: brassherald

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Tris/me/shea

I want ari

I will begrudgingly compromise on the bulge for reasons stated

I would then go:
Sheep
Isis
Fire
Hellbooks

I agree with the top 3.

I don't want ari.

I want fire.

Can you walk me through why you don't?

I still think that the you/ari/fire thing wasnt all town; something feels icky to me there
But I think ari is town (i don't think her play here matches what i'd expect scum-her to do, like at all) and i want her in the coalition
I've come around to you being town
Fire i still don't really like how he positioned himself in the you/ari thing, and i didnt really like his response to ari trying to see if he was willing to act on his stated worldview

also while i was in the skitter iso i did notice this which i didn't super directly respond to (2414 was a somewhat indirect response)

but it is kinda interesting that she's pushing the same line of "there's scum in the shea/ari/fire thing" which again i don't think was really as much of a "thing" as the shea/skitter/ari "thing". it's possible that isis town picked up on skitter's framing of it and adopted it into her worldview due to skitter being isis' only strong townread, but it is still a little strange i think

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I mean she puts on a little show and never drops a vote for you. You can cherry pick all you want and I can cherry pick to confirm my suspicions but I think you're missing a buddy.

yes i will take you up on your offer

support your claim that she absolutely refused to put me in the coalition

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And literally if she busses you after you get into the coalition skitter looks really townie then. It's a win with less than optimal play which can still happen

obviously, but you're moving goalposts now

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I apologize for saying you can't read but I still think you're flailing

i mean when someone that i already think is scummy makes a claim that looks like it's literally just pulled out of nowhere in order to support a vote on the wagon counter to them then yeah im gonna attack that point

still though i think that everything you said applies to you just as much if not more than me? she initially outright refused to put bulge in (calling it a "non-starter"), much stronger than how she felt about me, and then later was considering begrudgingly compromising to ari's plan of "put in bulge and then insta yeet him"

and same goes to other slots? so it still is extremely sketchy to me that you targeted me when thats the current thread direction rather than actually digging in and investigating which one is meaningful

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well

1) if your reasoning for me being scum applies equally or more to you, and you're town, then i would expect you to consider whether the reasoning is actually meaningful or not

2) i know that your reasoning could be applied to other slots in the game as well, besides you and me. i think its application to me is a fairly weak one. so it looks like you took the starting point of "how do i find fire as scum" and then found a reason, rather than you looking for scum organically by starting with the reasons and developing those into a read. because I believe that if you did do that, you would notice that your reasoning applies to others as well

3) i believe i currently have the most people who want to lim me in terms of general thread mentality, regardless of votes. i think either you or sheep is probably 2nd in that measure

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im not really asking you to do anything in particular. im already aware that you didn't do that investigation

the question is just whether you are scum making up a reason to scumread someone or town who doesn't have a very good scumhunting process

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But skitter eventually moves me to a town read so it really doesn't apply there? Like I know skitter was scum but how does that fit into your thinking of it applies to my slot or are we just cherry picking for specific points in the game to support the weird case you seem to want me to agree to for me as scum again?

she moved you to a townread only after coalition failed (which is very literally the scummy pattern of play that ari mentioned earlier) and never made any motions whatsoever towards putting you in a coalition after you replaced in so i have no idea what you're talking about

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Omg hi
If i can get a decent-ish read on brass the bulge wouldnt be a compromise anymore

Ari voting my coalition for show and then unvoting it makes me extremely happy.

Pedit play with feet.

HEAL: brass, shea, fire, skitter, tris

e-1

I'm really, really not sure that this wins this ...

I'm .... really skeptical of this
I don't know why this coalition is a thinf

I don't know why brass is voting it

HURT: all
HEAL: me ari tris shea

This is where i'm at and i don't knkw who the fifth should be

Shea if i vote for you/me/tris/ari/fire
And it fails
Would u be willing to vote fire tom?

I'm pretty sure that the coalition isn't going to happen unless you have both Skitter and TSQ on board based on everyone else voting right now, so, like a vote for one not endorsed by the both of you is a waste

It's unfortunate we have diametric reads on ari/fire, isnt it >.>

It is which is why I asked about sheep. I didn't read the rules hard enough to know if we lose if no coalition is reached but it seems like that's probably a thing

Oh did you? I missed that
I probably hate it less than the fire option

I am at the point where i would vote the fire one expecting it to fail if everyone really wants to move on so badly

With the understanding that if it fails i push fire after

Also ngl i have like maybe an hour (if that) then i gotta bounce till friday so these are probably the options if this is ehat it's coming down to

Pedit ok u want to do sheep instead?

Sheep was v keen on ending the coalition phase, ans i don't think he does that unless he has a partner who's an obvious-shoe-in for the coalition (i.e. tris or shea)

Shea wanting to compromise on sheep makes me a little wary of that possibility

My tris townread has like melted a bit but tbqh at the same time i don't think town-her plays this any differently. I'm not really sure i'm on board with voting her today

I still don't think it's ari

Isis is becoming scummier ngl

Brass is p townie tbh

Fire i still scumread

Hellbooks' should be nominated for some sort of appropriate scummy but at the same time i'm kinda wondering if she's being opaque on purpose, does anyone know what that post actually, like, means ....

this is skitter's progression on you

her immediate reaction is "wow maybe i can get a good read on brass and then put him in!"

and then she proceeds to do literally none of that. like not even remotely try. doesn't express a read. doesn't support coalitions with you in them

and then after coalition fails she says "oh yeah btw brass is pretty townie"

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The only time she was putting you in was if you were also the elimination when it failed.

Which leads to "Wow we failed to coalition and it's because Skitter was right!" You're the only slot she did that on

we already talked about how the post that you quoted was her saying she might compromise to doing exactly this to your slot. so no, it wasn't the only slot she did this to lol. that's my point

it also isn't even true because of 1925. originally she was putting me in not to insta-yeet me

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im not trying to flip sheep rn tho

if you want some nka i think i very rarely kill shea here

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does he?

oh well in that case i wouldn't have killed him bc i missed that

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does he?

oh well in that case i wouldn't have killed him bc i missed that

mmmhmmm

i can't find it idr this haplenj g can you quote or linnk

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sorry typos

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I kind of think if skitter is mafia the partner is fire but I'm not even sure we'll get a red flip here so I'm going to just nod and pretend I know what I'm doing

I was thinking something similar.

this one ok fair. the others i don't really read the same way. it's true i was being weird and i thought his comments were unrelated to alignment

he townread me most of the game tho so i don't really think id be scared of one minor agreement instead of just killing you. i think thats what id probably do? idk

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i wouldn't have thought to kill him bc i like having people who talk a lot around when im maf unless they're like major threats to me (which you would be), and i thought he still mostly townread me

i don't feel sure about brass but mostly thats bc i thought that his push on me was like really obviously scummy and nobody else seemed to care and most of you are town so idk maybe im wrong

i do think it's probably in tris/sheep/brass but idk how to find one of those as town which i probably need to do if y'all want me yeeted

and im like not exactly even confident on clearing isis and brooks so idk lol

im not really sure how to resolve this unsureness either but i have also been busy this weekend. maybe ill continue the reread tomorrow

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i guess a (possibly dumb) part of me thinks it isn't sheep due to feeling like his latest few posts are taking in the thread organically rather than according to what will help him not get limmed

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Ok since two people have asked and you ignored both of them I get to write in your answer you would have shot Ari. Except it's a sus answer bc it would do little to cripple momentum. We shoot Isis who has more posts and is getting somewhat more townread? All my posts are air tho

The way you engaged the whole dialogue makes me like visualize the skitter post of "ugh. Really sorry I couldn't keep up the energy level I needed for this. Definitely just kill Shea. You can win this "

i didn't ignore both, i already answered

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Would be a lot easier if you had genuine earnest feelings that tsq was a shit kill choice

i mean i can make them up if i was maf. i just don't really have that strong of thoughts on who i would kill here bc i am not maf

i am still pretty sure i don't kill shea here but its not like there's some strong reason that's going to convince everyone that's the case lol. when you choose who to nk you don't have to justify it to anyone you just do what you want

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i wouldn't have thought to kill him bc i like having people who talk a lot around when im maf unless they're like major threats to me (which you would be), and i thought he still mostly townread me

i don't feel sure about brass but mostly thats bc i thought that his push on me was like really obviously scummy and nobody else seemed to care and most of you are town so idk maybe im wrong

i do think it's probably in tris/sheep/brass but idk how to find one of those as town which i probably need to do if y'all want me yeeted

and im like not exactly even confident on clearing isis and brooks so idk lol

im not really sure how to resolve this unsureness either but i have also been busy this weekend. maybe ill continue the reread tomorrow

ok but it doesn't really feel like you're trying to sort between your suspects

yea ik

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what's the complicated answer

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oh i missed a post

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maybe hellbooks is scum

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sorry

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i don't really know what i can do that will make me feel better about anyone's alignment in this game. ik thats on me but still

ill try rereading i guess

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page 59-60 makes me think its sheep

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the way he's posting around skitter feels awkward to me

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so context is that isis hard townreads skitter, and doesn't like putting skitter + sheep into the coal bc she says skitter scumreads sheep

The other thing that made me mad about the ari-fire coalition is coalling sheep and skitter together


Like even in the worlda where townskitter misread sheep it's so much better to lim sheep out of the car what other worlds matter

I feel that your stance on skitter/me stuff is forced and doesnt make sense

the last thing skitter said about me was "it's waffling between null and null scum"

to start, sheep focusing on this isis take on skitter/sheep feels a teensy bit overly self-aware to me but eh ok whatever

can u rly quickly summarize why u townread skitter for ,e

Focusing on sheep also does not advance her agenda with like any partner

in terms of normal forum mafia outside of coalition I tend to be a very good option to mislim mid-later game so I can technically seeee the scum purpose

like outside of the coalition phase

it advances a longer term agenda to lim enough townies

asking for a skitter towncase and then the response being "well maybe she's setting me up for a miselim later" just feels like a kinda slimy reframing of the interaction between the two. like forcing the idea that they are unaligned, while also doing nothing to shake isis' townread of skitter bc this argument will obviously do nothing to change her mind it's just kinda "look at me i have a town perspective"

my skitter paranoia is quashed again tho by her re-entrance just now somehow I dont rly understand why

possibly too blatant lol

Sheep do you really think skitter walks into a game with no consensus on the 5 exodia cards that might instantly kill her and go"shit, you know what, instead of getting my partner into the coalition let me see if I can set up my 3rd mislim by... Flipping the opinion of 7 townies"

Like cmon

I mean I dont think trying to pull me back into peoples nulls is like the one main thing she's doing

I guess she would probably have to be with someone who already seemed to be making it into coalitions easily like I guess u have some point abt that

and to be clear I havent been at all close to scumreading her, just trying to understand ur read

this post also just feels awkward to me. like it feels like he's having to stretch to see things from a town pov. and the bit about "im just trying to understand" is weird

I think skitter pushing a tris scumread that is probably right, to the exclusion of accomplishing anything to pick the winners of any of the spotlighted conflicts, but without feeling uncomfortable interacting with the spotlighted conflicts really points to her being town.

idk I actually just understood this

idk if I agree but I definitely get the point I will think about this post

then he concludes with deciding she's town based on a post which has imo pretty shaky reasoning. like i think the original post is just not really true at all. she very clearly picked ari as a winner of the "spotlighted conflict" between ari and shea. that is very much a thing that she did. so im not really sure what sheep suddenly understood here

its also just the fact that both sheep and skitter are posting around each other on these pages and talking to other people about the other one, with sheep doing all of this and skitter saying mostly that she doesn't townread sheep bc he's capable of this as maf, but both of them feeling like they're leaving the other mostly unsorted... and they don't engage with each other at all? despite that being the topic of convo for both of them?

idk it just felt like a very aligned two pages to me. i still want to read more tho bc like obviously its believable that sheep could post like this as town it just. pinged me. as skitter would say

it at least moves sheep below tris for me

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wow skitter got literally 0 pings this game

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the theory is true

honestly there's no way i let that slip past if im partners with skitter

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ok so between brass and sheep who do you feel stronger about?

if i felt stronger on sheep id move my vote there

i think for sheep id need to see how exactly the end of coal phase + the lim phase went down bc i think thats especially relevant for his slot

which ill do at some point

it was more of a "huh this actually looks very believably partnered to me" and made me want to look onto that world more, more than a "wow sheep is lockscum now"

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What does skitter got zero pings mean

does that mean that 4 of us did dragon without pointing out to her she could TP in instead of farming toplane

in the first game i played with skitter, mathblade replaced in and then called her scum bc she hadn't used the word "ping" (as in "this pinged me" or "im getting townpings from this person"), claiming it was something she did much more as town

i went and researched a bunch of games (wow i was really motivated back then) and found that there was actually a correlation and she did say ping a lot more as town

i wasn't taking it as a super serious tell but then she ended up being scum that game lol

in the next few games we played together i made several jokes about it (see 177) and have generally been aware of how much she has said "ping"

in this game only just now i remembered to search for it and noticed she didn't use it at all, and arguably thats a failing on my part to properly scumhunt her, but also i think it's something id be a lot more aware of if i knew her alignment and i would definitely use it as a point of banter with her as a scumpartner bc i like doing that

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Fire why am I scum

? i don't think you are

you're maybe my least confident townread but that doesn't mean i think you're scum

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for sheep to be mafia, skitter would have been bussing. not an impossible concept. what motive would she have for it? maybe she wanted scate by on the towncred. the problem with that is the concept that sheep can only be scum with someone in the coal. so, after turning that on shea, what happens next? does she turn on me who she didnt actually townread much. but then the only one left is ari. ari seems like a hard towny to get the lim through on. maybe thats why she was putting the idea out there that sheep could be scum with brass. she probably might have been able to get me to side with her on that at least.

also, she may have expected sheep not to go through and for the lim to end up on me anyway. its not like she really did that great a job defending me.

skitter probably has to reckon with sheep getting limmed eventually anyway. why not do it now, and get the credit.

ok, that all describes how skitter could be scum with sheep, but is that world more believable than other worlds?

i think the bit where she thought your lim would go through and then she could bus sheep the next day and then follow that up with shea who multiple people had been pairing with sheep is fairly likely actually

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or also me, ik me/sheep was a fun team theory for a while

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VOTE: sheep

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my point of concern atm is that i don't know why skitter didn't allow herself to be convinced more on the "put bulge in and instayeet him" plan

it feels like in a tris or especially sheep partner world that would be like a really useful thing to have happen

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i think that skitter's lack of teeth in her push onto sheep during lim phase is like pretty partner indicative

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if she was already planning to bus sheep then being the deciding vote to put him in is definitely a mate in 7 move

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sheep's end of coalition phase is pretty scummy actually especially in this world of scum skitter already being in and him just kinda not wanting to disrupt that

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: )

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i think that if you read sheep's iso from like. basically the full second half of it

it reads like a scum who thought he was gonna get bussed and then it didn't actually work out and now he's kinda lost and didn't expect to get this far and didn't do any of the setup that he would have needed to do in order to be the one to take things to endgame

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the way he played lim phase also was to like start out by pushing ari and shea and then let himself be convinced onto tris. which is just. really unfortunate if he's town lol bc it looks exactly like how he would play it if he was scum

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if we assume that tris and skitter would prefer the other to be elimmed than themselves then currently that makes sheep the swing voter

does anyone have any strong reasons that they prefer one over the other or are we all just kinda in undecided limbo

I go tris here over skitter

I feel like tris tried to recovered and failed and I just wanna kill that

Skitter still leans town by my gut lol, I think she’s being like too unabashedly “bruh” like we all unanimously bruhed at her tris townread and maybe as scum she would be seeming more appeasing and thread-normal

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he hadn't posted in 30 hours before that

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i don't think the lower activity is a significant part but like that being the place where you stepped up and took a stand on things is kinda meaningful

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i haven't really been talking about your activity levels at all except in that one point, you being busy wasn't really relevant

i was talking about the general direction of your posts not the amount of them

[fireisredsir]

Wasn't there someone in this game was like "wouldn't you at least reflect on how the meaning might be different if you are doing the same thing


It was the coldest dampest take people aren't like that ever it isn't how people work lol

that was me lol, it wasn't about what a player is doing tho it was about how skitter treated a player

which imo is different since i think it indicated a lack of natural research into the situation but shrug

[fireisredsir]

i don't think i voted skitter but i was planning to in the sheep vs skitter dichotomy that i suggested we pivot to from the tris vs skitter one, i just ended up leaving thread unexpectedly before that happened

[fireisredsir]

i don't think i voted skitter but i was planning to in the sheep vs skitter dichotomy that i suggested we pivot to from the tris vs skitter one, i just ended up leaving thread unexpectedly before that happened

Who was your vote on

Or is this some Something_Smart bullshit

i admittedly do not use my vote actively very well and sometimes lose track of it but it was on tris. there were definitely points where i preferred a skitter lim but didn't vote there my bad

[fireisredsir]

If skitter was still alive shed probably be like "hm im getting some real scum ping from sheep"

Spoiler: scumping

Subject: Micro 1052: Lake Melancholy [END]

Also dwlee's reaction to my scumping makes me more sus of them

What is scumping?

You had some posts that pinged me as scummy for vague, inarticutable reasons

Oh I read that as a verb lmao

[fireisredsir]

Fire is red sir is aligned with the m*fia

i said my bad!!

[fireisredsir]

skitter was trying to signal that she really thought we should play we need a fifth

[fireisredsir]

i thought that post was funny which is an expression of alignment

[fireisredsir]

Idk why that's the response you're choosing fire

You know I know it's humorposting

idk remember when we all locktowned tris for vibing on the first 5 pages

i just didn't really want her to feel discouraged from doing that bc i think it is actually useful for sensing her alignment and also fun

it seemed like your post was unnecessarily shutting that down

[fireisredsir]

yeah

: )

[fireisredsir]

you only asked about the action not the intent so really the answer is more up to you

[fireisredsir]

okay

sorry