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Assuming you're being genuine here. I think the only world that really fucks you is if I exactly tracked purple. Which is hilariously what I did. I was tossing up between you and purple and decided purple was better overall.-
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Zach does look bad for jumping on this when he did. If this is green, it's probably him-
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HEM/Flush are likely town. Kay is town. You're dead. I'm dead. Purple is conftown.
It's just zach here-
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I don't blame you for the play, I've fake-claimed many times in my day-
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MhmIn post 2373, ketchup777 wrote: as town?-
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It was also used to be more clear about my HEM town-read and also sorta clear flush from my suspicions so it's not completely uselessIn post 2376, ketchup777 wrote:ah ok that makes me feel a bit better
sorry you efforted that massive case for nothing, i hope we still win, you guys deserve it-
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Win the game for meIn post 2388, KayJayQueue wrote: Jack what do I do after you die tonight?-
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Time to play some Factorio-
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Tracker clear on kjq-
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HEM, are you nuts?-
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In what world does tracker not get shot here? It was likely a misplay or they assumed I’d do what I did and spat out a random check on someone.
We were both clears (purple and myself), I can make an extra clear. I die here nmw, doesn’t matter what my reads are.
VOTE: zach-
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Not being confident enough to consider Purple a fn over a doc is also an option as to why this NK happened, which coincidentally only comes from zach imo-
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I think you’re massively discounting Kay as a player in that post as well, do you genuinely feel Kay is the type to slap down a vote immediately in elo just cuz? That feels awfully rude to assume.-
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HEM do you think this night kill comes from anybody that understood the gamestate? I don’t think my personal reads has anything to do with it as a clear is still a clear and can almost be a game decider.-
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This goes for anyone actuallyIn post 2427, JacksonVirgo wrote: HEM do you think this night kill comes from anybody that understood the gamestate? I don’t think my personal reads has anything to do with it as a clear is still a clear and can almost be a game decider.-
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Chances were I'd check Zach. The prime elim candidate based on EoD2. Why would scum ever want that cleared?-
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I did lie about the KJQ track, I ended up tracking you HEM but thunderdoming her is silly can you please just talk things out with me. I am not okay with either of you out-
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I don't think it's reasonable to assume scum killed with no thinking at all. I also don't think scum killed purple because they were okay with who I could theoretically check.-
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I figured if I were to be left alive, I should be checking someone who I otherwise would not be checkingIn post 2435, humaneatingmonkey wrote: thank you
not kidding, i was in a massive crisis over the night. in my head, this is an instaloss if i don't advocate for my own elimination before ELo. being cleared is a massive morale booster.-
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Scum needs two eliminations to win. There are four towns left alive. Leaving me alive clears half of those. Is that really worth it?In post 2436, humaneatingmonkey wrote: I think people are smart in general too, and I don't really think the kill was a goof. scum is someone who thought that keeping you here with a cleared slot is more valuable than killing you overnight. this is someone confident they wouldn't be checked, or desperate enough that this was their only play they had.
What benefit does keeping me alive bring?-
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The benefit I see are that my reads are so off-base that it's going to benefit the wolves, but chances are that I track the person I scum-read here so I feel that's unreasonable. I don't see anything else-
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Purple is a blank slate almost. I'm a much more active voice. I don't understand it if it wasn't mechanical safety (aka hitting a protected JV will end up losing the game for wolves)-
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Open my eyes on this, please-
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I'm not ruling anybody out except you at this point. I just want to talk through the assumptions of the kills because if I'm right, it rules out Flush imo and leaves two elims of zach/kay for the win.-
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Right, if it was zach they'd have to hit me and hope for the best-
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In post 2445, JacksonVirgo wrote: Right, if it was zach they'd have to hit me and hope for the bestSpoiler: animated gif-
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This may seem like a dumb question (I will answer yours in a bit), when reading my theory on what scum!ketchup was doing with the claim. What was your thoughts? If you can rememberIn post 2442, humaneatingmonkey wrote: You have telegraphed that you will be checking zach last night, so they must be comfortable with a pool of {KJQ, StrangeFlush, HEM}. In this pool, who wins?-
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Did you feel that logic was strong? Like my theory that scum!ketchup was doing the god strat I outlined specifically-
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I'm questioning whether Flush's reaction was unnatural-
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In post 2337, StraightFlush wrote: Good play undermined by rand... now I feel kinda bad for you
Vote stays where it is tho
These two posts look bad to me, can you see if you agree? You want Kay while I don't, we can try to balance each other out here.In post 2374, StraightFlush wrote: I'm still baffled by it but maybe that's my wiki-reading brain being too rigid
Also this convo is fun but where's dann lol
"vote stays where it is" feels like they're not fully in the town mindset of thinking what they did was scummy, I don't know how to word this thought properly.-
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Flush do you have a towngame on this site?-
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Also I only really like people really close to me calling me Jack. Jackson or JV's fine though
Thank you-
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Unfortunate, cuz I feel you're really trying to pocket me and felt that way for a while-
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In post 2298, StraightFlush wrote: Finally I get to tell Jackson the same BS my parents keep telling me for some reason
You're so good at writing wallposts man, you should be a lawyer!
Posts like these (there are more but I'm lazy) I feel have been a consistent thing for you I wanted to check if it was a consistent thing you do as townIn post 2454, StraightFlush wrote: (ultimately true, nice job JV)-
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Flush/Kay
Can you reasonably rule out Zach here from your pov's given the logic HEM and I spoke about?-
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Can you elaborate on this?In post 2468, StraightFlush wrote: No. My interpretation of the night doesn't rule zach out either, as I've said-
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You say you've said it, but I don't remember that-
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I do think it's Flush here (sorry bro)-
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I don't think Zach has the freedom to attack anybody except me last night as traditionally (and very clearly I was going to) I would 100% have checked him and that would be game over otherwise.-
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Even if he thought there was a chance for a doc.-
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The logic about the kill? That doesn’t apply to anybody except ZachIn post 2476, StraightFlush wrote: Can you not apply that same logic to Kay? I find it odd that you'd just brush off HEM's concerns about her pocketing you and just look at me instead.-
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I really think Kay is town here, I’m probably only comfortable with Flush here. I’ve scumread them throughout the game, I feel like the reasons to tr the others are too strong to doubt outside of elo.-
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I’m not SRing you because rule 6-
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Im genuinely pretty confident Zach is cleared here. I asked kay/flush that question because scum NEEDS zach in the pool. Kays response to them staying as an option is fine, flushs seems off. I can explain later I’m barely keeping my eyes openIn post 2485, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
i think this day is just really determining if zach can be ruled out, because if we can line up SF and KJQ in any order then we win.In post 2481, JacksonVirgo wrote: I really think Kay is town here-
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I expressed a strong TR on hem and yourself. I said to Ketchup that my logic cleared flush too and was clear that I was going to be focusing on zach tomorrow. As a tracker that’s a clear threat to zach in particular.In post 2503, KayJayQueue wrote: Jack can you go through again why the most likely option for leaving you alive is that it’s not Zach? I don’t know if I’m fully following this but I want to.
In a zach!scum world, they’d be forced to kill me as otherwise I would win the game for town by tracking him to the kill. He couldn’t risk a doctor existing, it did not matter he would be forced to kill me. He would have no real other options as if I live with a track on him, he’s gone-
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Therefore me not dying here clears Zach-
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Sure can, I’ll work on doing this within the next few daysIn post 2497, humaneatingmonkey wrote: took a shower before bed after a long day of work. still, i can see both as possible. and i have not decided on ruling out zach. I'm going to articulate all my points for or against each slot and treat this as ELo where I can bounce off a confirmed town. can we do that JV? i think that's the best way to play this.-
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Inherently, yeah I would but I don’t think Flush flips town and also I would still scrap all preconceptions and read you and zach as a clean slate as best as possible. ELO gaminggg babyyyyyIn post 2507, KayJayQueue wrote:
Okay question then, if we lim flush and he’s town, you’re saying you’d then believe it was me? (let’s pretend you’re not dead for this thought experiment even though you probably will be)In post 2505, JacksonVirgo wrote: Therefore me not dying here clears Zach-
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Of course not but I don’t think I want to argue that the scum goofed as an argument to eliminate someone today. I’m deciding between you and flushIn post 2509, KayJayQueue wrote: And there’s 0% possibility that flush is town and Zach just made the wrong decision?-
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I’m under the assumption that their rash behaviour was because they felt at risk of elimination themselves. I’m sure they’ll give the game a solid look and not rush into shit-
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Insulting someone’s intelligence as an argument sure is fun huh?-
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You’re not even listening to the argument I’m saying and deciding to insult ME.
Piss off-
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I agree with you, I don't think it's reasonable to assume scum had doubts that Purple was the FN.In post 2518, humaneatingmonkey wrote: i'm willing to dismiss the doctor idea entirely, as it's really obvious to anyone that Purple was FN
I'm re-reading the thread now as we speak.
My assumptions about the night kill are:
1. It was a reasonable expectation that I was not going to be tracking the final wolf
2. The wolf felt that zach being cleared was worth keeping me alive
I think that sums all my assumptions up, I'll append to this if I think of another.
Given both assumptions (even in isolation), I feel like Zach is cleared outright. I feel it's incredibly unreasonable to expect scum!zach to not shoot me here, even if they had the lingering threat of a doctor. They couldn't risk that, if I was left alive and was tracking them. They'd be dead if they didn't kill me, therefore the chance of a doctor is meaningless.
I feel it was reasonable to expect I wasn't going to be tracking anybody outside of literally just zach, so that assumption only clears zach. The second assumption lands into my reads, which I know my reads but I am not 100% what people thought my reads were. I feel given a clear on Zach, where does everyone think I was going to be pushing? That's more important than who I actually would-
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In post 2520, humaneatingmonkey wrote: JackSpoiler: animated gif-
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Flawless, can't argue with thisIn post 2526, humaneatingmonkey wrote: monkey see monkey do-
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In post 2527, KayJayQueue wrote: Why wouldn’t you track Flush? Like why would I assume you’d only track Zach?In post 2369, JacksonVirgo wrote: HEM/Flush are likely town. Kay is town. You're dead. I'm dead. Purple is conftown.
It's just zach here-
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FN/Tracker is a rolecop gameIn post 2530, KayJayQueue wrote: Wait a second. Purple was killed because the last scum is a roleblocker in this setup, isn’t it? Wouldn’t scum just roleblock Jack so he gets no info and kill the other confirmed town? Please correct me if I’m wrong on the roles. Why is this not a possibility? (aside from Jack claiming he checked HEM but he already lied once about his check so who knows)-
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I lied to get HEM off your back, I didn't feel a thunderdome was useful for anybody-
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