Mini 1401 - Game over!

[d3x]

@qwints - That was a serious question. I'd like an answer, please.

[TheConman17]

@d3x ya me too and I don't want bullshit like; it was a spam vote

[Slandaar]

2- How is this a seperate point from 1?

I didn't say it was; you are the one who numbered everything.

Does it really matter if it is the same or different? how does it make him town exactly?

3- How is trolling scummy? I can't begin to tell you how many players on this site troll as a way of life. Many as a way of ScumHunting.

Trolling removes all responsibility from your posting, which benefits you if you don't want people to read you. It can also be used as a reaction test occasionally.

(Conman was not reaction testing)

4- How is this scummy? You didn't answer my questions. You felt that they were 'pointless'. I disagree and apparently a number of others do as well. Does that make you scummy?

Which of your pointless questions have I not answered dex?

I gave a reason; he hasn't.

Further, how do any of the points listed above seperate him from VI?

Yes yes the VI argument, good job, how about we just call anyone who does something scummy VI?

Did you miss the part where I said that I prefer interactions to archive diving for my ScumHunting? Why wouldn't you just point me in the right direction if you felt this way?

Dex accuses me of something he had to have read the thread for he is then asking me for my reasoning now he is saying 'oh why didn't you link me to it originally! I don't archive dive I couldn't have seen your posts when I read the thread initially! I was just accusing you of something with no actual backing.'

[Slandaar]

also; Why did you ignore my Panic point Dex? Couldn't think of an excuse for him?

[qwints]

Nope;

D3X: Town should use their vote to push a wagon
Then D3X asks:
Why were you voting him for so long?

See how the first point answers the question; Its clear scum cognitive dissonance

Amazingly; Reasons can be found dotted through my ISO.

Seems like slandaar found a real, scummy inconsistency here.

[Gorgon]

218 sums up my reasoning pretty well.

That was the point of quoting it; it is not comparable because I have already answered the question before the question was asked; Ergo; pointless question.

Which follows on to; What is scummy then about 'dodging' a pointless question?

You do indeed have your reasons for suspecting Conman summed up somewhat in ISO, but the question/request that you clarify your reasons was nevertheless reasonable IMO. Reacting to it gives new information while simply referring back to what you've said earlier (which you btw didn't do until your next post, as far as I can tell) gives less information. I find d3x's stated MO of hunting through ongoing interaction valid. So I don't think the question was pointless and therefore your question is meaningless to me.

[AngryPidgeon]

Vote Tally 1.10

TheConman17 (L - 3):

havingfitz, qwints, Kthxbye, Nobody Special

Slandaar (L - 3):

d3x, Singer is Nachomamma, Gorgon, TheConman17

KthxBye (L - 5):

Huntress, absta101

Malakittens (L - 6):

Saint Kerrigan

absta101 (L - 6):

Malakittens

d3x (L - 6):

Slandaar

Pacifists (Not Voting):

V/LA: Saint Kerrigan.

((expired on 2012-12-24 23:59:59))

Nobody Special (L - 7):

havingfitz (L - 7):

Saint Kerrigan (L - 7):

Gorgon (L - 7):

Singer is Nachomamma (L - 7):

qwints (L - 7):

Huntress (L - 7):

[havingfitz]

3 votes on wagons that don't look to be going anywhere.

Dulldrums look to have set in.

I know he's v/la but 4 total posts and 7+ days without a post from StKerrigan sucks. When is he due back ffs?

Vote Conman.

[absta101]

6 days.

What's the case on Slandaar?

[d3x]

@absta - I'll go into it more tonight and I'm only speaking for myself, but the blatant misrep against me, the weak case/reasons to ride the conman wagon, the poor excuse for a late stage RVS vote, and the terribad 'explanation' of it.

[d3x]

@fitz- 3 votes? Do you consider the KthxWagon to be 'going somewhere'?

[havingfitz]

@d3x...no...I was referring to the 3 votes on 3 separate 1 vote wagons I consider going nowhere.

[d3x]

Yeah, I followed you. I'm just saying that there are also 2 votes on Kthx that are accomplishing about the same. I was thus wondering if you felt that it was going somewhere.

[havingfitz]

^not really...I just keyed in on the 3
The 2 on kthx are probably better off elsewhere as well depending on what the 3 do.

[absta101]

Yeah, I followed you. I'm just saying that there are also 2 votes on Kthx that are accomplishing about the same. I was thus wondering if you felt that it was going somewhere.

This doesn't sound important. Where were you going with this?

[d3x]

@absta- I found it odd that fitz was calling 3 votes wasted when there were another 2 that weren't really doing anything on Kthx, but he wasn't mentioning them. I find this as an incongruity that I'd like to note.

@Conman

Conman, please let know exactly what swayed you from the last few pages.

Now regarding Slandaar--

I didn't say it was; you are the one who numbered everything.

Your exact phrasing was this...

Conman is scum because nothing he says makes any sense, he has no reasoning, he is literally trolling from what I can gather, he can't answer basic questions.

You didn't have numbers in front of each point, but that doesn't matter when you list them. I broke them down for ease of reference. I'd like to note that you didn't respond to the question, btw. Why can you not look at your own case and tell me why the actions listed are scummy? You say the same thing twice and can't tell me why it's scummy either time? Your only responce is 'I didn't number my points'?

how does it make him town exactly?

I'm not building a case on why he's Town, you're building a case on why he's Scum. I don't think you've done it and you can't explain to me your own case. See the problem here?

Trolling removes all responsibility from your posting, which benefits you if you don't want people to read you.

It is also a thing people on the internet do. Even with your answer, I don't see how this is explicitly scummy. Hell, I could argue that fitz is trolling, with his "zzzzzzzzz" posting, his blatant tunnelling, his talk of wasted votes, and his attempts to shame people into voting Conman. I don't neccessarily think he's Scum for it.

Which of your pointless questions have I not answered dex?

Kindly refer back to Gorgon’s p405. Yeah, you answered, after someone voted you for dodging.

Yes yes the VI argument, good job, how about we just call anyone who does something scummy VI?

I seem to remember asking point by point how the actions you’ve listed are scummy. You did not do that. I don’t see how this then becomes relevant. If you can’t tell me how the actions are scummy, I don’t think he’s done anything scummy. It then stands to reason that his poor play is caused not by him being Scum, but by being VI. All of the points you referenced in reasons to Vote him are more easily answered by poor play, not scummy play.

Why did you ignore my Panic point Dex? Couldn't think of an excuse for him?

No, I didn’t think it was part of the reasons you were voting him, as you failed to list this after you wrote…

Conman is scum because...

snip

Frankly, I thought it was commentary on ongoing conversation, which it was. If you’d like me to respond to that now, sure. If he’s Town, then he should have a legitimate concern for being MisLynched especially if so many people are tunnelling him.

In summation, I see a VI who’s getting brow beaten by more experienced players and I think opportunistic Scum have been hiding in his Wagon {read you, Slandaar}.

[d3x]

@Mod-

V/LA for the rest of the week due to school/work obligations.

That post was Monday 12-10. I took it to mean that SK was going to be gone through last Saturday or Sunday. That puts him more than eligible for some prodding, plz? Especially considering that was 25% of all SK's in game posting.

[SaintKerrigan]

I apologize to all for not posting

at all

very frequently. I meant to be back in the game by yesterday, but work left me too tired to finish my catchup reads. I will have content (meaning reads consisting of more than just one sentence) no later than tomorrow night.

One thing I do want to say, though (but keep in mind that I have not read anything past page 14 so this could change), is that I do not support a Conman lynch, policy or otherwise, at this time. My current impression of him is that he is a newer town player, but independent of that, I want to do more with Day 1 than pile on a newbie. I'm not averse to lynching him if it's either him or no lynch at the end of the day, but right now I want to find and explore other possibilities.

I'll try to get something going quickly, and once again I apologize for my lack of participation up to this point.

[SaintKerrigan]

And by tomorrow night I mean Wednesday night.

[Kthxbye]

/facepalm.

Sadly, he MAY (like really small chance) be the biggest VI ever. I say this because it's too easy to jump on the wagon so I could theoretically see scum trying to stay off of it...I guess...if I had to think about it really really hard to the point I bled out the ears...

For the record, in case anyone wanted my thoughts on whether ConMan is scum or town and doesn't want to read the past 18 pages....I think he's SCUM.

[TheConman17]

/facepalm.

Sadly, he MAY (like really small chance) be the biggest VI ever. I say this because it's too easy to jump on the wagon so I could theoretically see scum trying to stay off of it...I guess...if I had to think about it really really hard to the point I bled out the ears...

For the record, in case anyone wanted my thoughts on whether ConMan is scum or town and doesn't want to read the past 18 pages....I think he's SCUM.

You have specified that you think I am scum but what do you mean they have read all 18 pages! (Exept for saint)

[Kthxbye]

Conman, if you can't read the sarcasm in that......

[Kthxbye]

Conman: why did you only posted thoughts on my single post and ignore everything else posted since your last post...?

[TheConman17]

Because I log on, instantly see your post and have to contreact it almost like a reflex

[absta101]

Conman answer the players questions or I will policy lynch you.

D3x - Your points on Slandaar are convincing.