Mini Theme 1588 - FTL: Faster Than Light - Game Over!

[Venmar]

Thematically and in terms of flavor, Third party shouldn't exist since the game is between two factions (Federation and Rebels). Theoretically though, a third party could exist in a Mercenary, or Pirates. They don't make sense in the context of being camouflaged aboard our ship, but the only possible Third Party would be somekind of a Mercenary among us, idk. I wouldn't spec about it any further than this though.

[Paschendale]

@Juls: Go with that meta search you wanted to do. You'll find that I am often gut read as scum. Those gut reads are often wrong. Make of that what you will.

@Belis: I am really curious as to what you know about this third party. Please spill some beans.

On Albert: I definitely still see him as scum. It is an Important and Popular Fact that scum do sometimes bus. Bussing a slot as maligned and potentially useless as Venrob's is not much of a stretch.

I also definitely see the reasons to suspect Venmar. Jargo is also a possibility. Gonna reread day 1 tomorrow before voting.

[xRECKONERx]

Wait who the hell is confirming there's a third party?

[Espressojet]

Beli is.

Mod, the game still says night one, it's messing with me

[Belisarius]

@Belis: I am really curious as to what you know about this third party. Please spill some beans.

My role signals the presence of a third-party who kills with fire. We had a fire-based death last night.

in #303 I was actually hoping the Arsonist would think I was some kind of specialised Psychologist and "crumb," but now that everyone knows the fire theme that's a no-go. Oh well. Maybe the scum will take care of the firebug for us. There might just be one other thing I can do that will fuck up the arsonist's life, but I'm not talking about that until/unless it happens.

[hitogoroshi]

Damn! I was pretty sure that Anatole was scum!

Why?

ABR was clearly thinking about the game a lot last night (seeing as he opened with a huge missive about why he was lying when he said he thought Venrob was town), but his Jargo vote seems at odds with that. Do you earnestly think Jargo-scum's plan was to lynch Venrob to indict

you?

Anatole Kuragin, I was going to use my governor ability on you today. You were a loyal soldier.

Why did you think Anatole would be lynched today?

That Juls read post is whack, it's setting up a Jargo lynch if ABR flips town and kinda lends support to calling him scum, but then just camps on Venmar for lurking instead? Especially when she threw Esspreso into town for essentially "people voting him seem like scum, although the only one I can remember is confirmed town and I don't feel like looking up any others?". Kinda gives me the vibe that maybe ABR is town and it's Juls and probably Esspreso.

You know if she flips town though, I gotta vote you. Right now I am at a place of it's either you or her.

haha wait, so now you're suddenly following your scum read but STILL trying to chain a lynch off of a mislynch, but from the opposite direction? Why are you at a place where it's either ABR or Jargo? Why in the world did you vote VENMAR if that's your view of the gamestate?

Vote: Juls

To be continued but I don't want to do a huge wall

[hitogoroshi]

Actually weirdly enough I don't think Venrob as scum blatantly sheeps "the captain" if the captain is his scumbuddy. So...

unvote

Yeah this is what I was trying to figure out in my ISO 20. Alberts clearly fake read on Venrob vs. why would Venrob proxy mislynch responsibility onto his scumbuddy?

-Bargaining. Scum motivation: check. Town motivation: nope

Elaborate on this. What bargaining has ABR done that has no town motivation?

@Belis: I am really curious as to what you know about this third party. Please spill some beans.

On Albert: I definitely still see him as scum. It is an Important and Popular Fact that scum do sometimes bus. Bussing a slot as maligned and potentially useless as Venrob's is not much of a stretch.

I also definitely see the reasons to suspect Venmar. Jargo is also a possibility. Gonna reread day 1 tomorrow before voting.

"Hey Belis share everything you know about the 3rd party so I know what you know, also my suspects are literally everyone that has been voted for today but I don't want to vote until I see where the winds are blowing, thank you all and god bless". Pasch is so SK it hurts. We should go for scum today, though.

[Juls]

My Venmar vote was lazy. I wanted it to be somewhere but not on ABR since he was already being ran up. I really don't want ABR to be scum so I am admittedly playing with my heart a little bit here. The reason I am going with Jargo over ABR is that with an ABR lynch we get, what I feel is, a confirmed townie in ABR. If we lynch ABR, we get a confirmed townie in me, but I already know that so I am going with someone I think is scummy plus gives information. I can't see botH ABR and Jargo being town. As for Espresso, I didn't really see what all the fuss was about thus why he is newb-town for me. And yes, I need to stop being lazy and analyze the Espresso votes.

I'm not going to fight votes against me too hard since my predeccessor already claimed. Usually when I am vt I am all like "pay attention to what I said" if I am lynched but if I so get lynched, I am straight up saying that I am not confident in any of my scum reads. I am pretty confident in my Reck, hits, and T S O reads though. Except for the whole they all lived thing.

[Venmar]

I helped lynch Venrob on my own account, so I am confirmed town, okay? Kthx bai.

[Juls]

I'm really not that terrible at grammar, the ipad hates me.

[Juls]

I helped lynch Venrob on my own account, so I am confirmed town, okay? Kthx bai.

What? Use more words.

[Juls]

Oh God...ignore what I said about Espresso. At least vote wise, only townies voted him (assuming t s o is town). Surely others expressed suspicion cause it seemed heavier than that. Just an FYI, fitz was one of my top scum reads

[Belisarius]

Elaborate on this. What bargaining has ABR done that has no town motivation?

His ISO today paraphrases as "Hey everybody help me lynch anyone but me and we can be best buds forever yo."

"Hey Belis share everything you know about the 3rd party so I know what you know, also my suspects are literally everyone that has been voted for today but I don't want to vote until I see where the winds are blowing, thank you all and god bless". Pasch is so SK it hurts. We should go for scum today, though.

Or scum SK-hunting. I'd still prefer to ice ABR today and maybe the scum and firebug will cross-kill and save me a lot of work. Unless, of course, the presence of the firebug means there are only two scum, in which case I'll be down to blow a lynch on Pasch after we down scum #2.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Belisarius, thoughts on Jarg and Juls?

[Paschendale]

"Hey Belis share everything you know about the 3rd party so I know what you know, also my suspects are literally everyone that has been voted for today but I don't want to vote until I see where the winds are blowing, thank you all and god bless". Pasch is so SK it hurts. We should go for scum today, though.

Except that I'm not third party and am beginning to suspect that Belis is, and was already questioning him about this knowledge he has, was voting for Albert a lot yesterday, and was discussing Jargo and was contemplating voting for him yesterday as well. So, aside from the Venmar bit, all of this is stuff I had discussed already.

Now I'm gonna get back to that reread.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What about you, what do you think about Juls?

[Paschendale]

Upon further consideration, I'm not really liking Jargo for scum. There are reasons to suspect her, but they are not very powerful. She's making just enough mistakes to raise some eyebrows, but not enough to really be pursuing an anti-town agenda. She should be low on anyone's scumlist.

Albert is still a strong scumread for me. The policy crap on Aronis wasted everyone's time and was essentially posting without real content. Venrob said he trusted in his captain and Albert townread Venrob. His policy attack on Aronis became a scumread between his 9th and 10th posts, apparently just by virtue of Aronis voting for him. His only other scumread was Jargo, and the Jargo case is weak. He asked Venrob to replace out, which makes sense for a scumbuddy who wants a stronger partner. His hammer of Venrob could easily be seen as a bus on a useless partner and an attempt to get some towncred. His explanation is pretty weak. Saving himself could have called for voting Venrob, but he was only at L-3. Unless the Venrob wagon completely disintegrated, he wasn't going to get lynched. Why the hell does replacement from a player who is notorious for replacing out make you scumread him? And in the same post Albert claims his read on Venrob was town and null. Plus the new Jargo vote. Bleh.

The only real argument for Venmar is his lack of participation so far. It's not a bad argument, but it's weak compared to a real case.

During my reread, I'm feeling a comfy townread on the Aronis/Juls slot. Minus points for Hearthstone, though. >_< Belis is likely town or possibly the third party that he's talking about. Bringing it up as if he's looking for a suspect could be a cover for his own actions.

@Venmar: Why exactly Espresso? Please elaborate.

Reck, TSO, and Hito all look town, but they all also know how to look town even when they aren't. Worth keeping an eye on, because they're hard to suss out as scum, but they don't seem scum. I'm just always paranoid about those sort of players. Their survival and the actual choices for night kills are perplexing.

Albert is definitely my top choice, followed by Belis for third party, and then Venmar and Jargo, but I'd vote for those two very reluctantly.

VOTE: Albert

[Venmar]

@Venmar: Why exactly Espresso? Please elaborate.

Huge gut read, and I recall a lot of his Day 1 posts came across as very scummy. #84 for example was basically trying to stay in RVS in a way, and disguising a sheep vote onto a wagon with humour. He tells me later that it was a joke, but I mean I don't buy it, it seemed too much with the flow to be a joke I guess? #286, #287 are a really weird reason to vote Albert, especially since later in #287, where he agrees to Pasches "lets no lynch either of them (aronis, abr)", he kind of makes his vote on abr obsolete and pointless. #380 was also a really bad way to start this day, by making a comment on the nightkill like that.

But I mean the above is just pointing out a couple posts that caught my attention, the read itself is largely gut orientated to begin with.

[hitogoroshi]

man wait a minute I'm fucking bad, Juls repped into Aronis slot which is almost certainly not groupscum. Maybe sk because that bidirectional chain-if-mislynch is still gross but I want groupscum today

Unvote: Juls

Hey Albert, why did you think Anatole would be lynched today?

If the sk is the firebug it means that scum killed Fitz. Kind of strange. I think I like Esspreso for now but it will depend a lot on his answer to why he thought Anatole was scum, as well.

Vote: Espressojet

[Juls]

I'm just going to put this bit of WIFOM out there. If you think Aronis replaced out of a SK slot you are absolutely crazy.

[xRECKONERx]

Venrob said he trusted in his captain and Albert townread Venrob.

[xRECKONERx]

We do not have a Serial Killer, can we please stop the Serial Killer speculation.

Unless Izzy just did not get this setup reviewed.

[xRECKONERx]

Won't ABR just govern himself if we try to lynch him?

[xRECKONERx]

I'm VERY uncomfortable about the fact that me, hito, and TSO all survived through N1.

[Juls]

Won't ABR just govern himself if we try to lynch him?

Not allowed.