Mini-Normal 1713: Mystery Mansion Mafia (GAME OVER)

[All Alone]

But then Expedience posted a lot and scum would minimize associations so

when I saw those posts by Expedience I was ready to unvote

, only to realize the thread was locked because Davsto hammered 2 freaking minutes after Expedience's claim.

You wasn't voting for him so you couldn't have unvoted and stopped the hammer. I mean, you stated intent to hammer yourself, you only do that if you aren't already voting the person.

Also, your reason for calling him town is weak. I don't see how Expedience posting a lot when he was L-1 is enough to turn your scum read of him into a town read. You stated intent to hammer because you were afraid Davsto wouldn't hammer. That's how strong your scum read of Expedience was.

Wait. I really did that? Bah I suck. I wasn't voting Exp and as such I could never have unvoted him.

And no, that's how strong my scumread on Davsto was.

...you sheeped Davsto because of how strong your scumread on him was?

[SilverWolf]

SW and wanderer are my top 2 scum picks.

Explain this please. Also, What are your reads on the other players?

I say thay to say-

Telling someone to Obv town themselves is almost comical. It can't be done.

What? You don't know how to look town?

I wish I could talk about ongoing shit. Uhg.................that sucks.

[Wanderer-nl]

Figuring out who knew that Expedience was going to flip town is near the top of my priority list when I get off work later, too. In the meantime, should you wish to metadive me, useful links:

Spoiler: Recent games

As town:

Team Mafia
Eine Kleine Nacht-Mord
Uncouth
Murder on the Oriental Express
DS9 season 1
UK meet invitational 2015
UK meet invitational 2014
Nexlexia

I haven't had as many scum games over recent months/years but here are the most recent:

Reck's Retrospective Rehash (mafia)
Harry Potter 1 (mafia)
999 Mafia (third party)

Did you find anything yet, CDB?

To me meta works best when it involves my own experience with a player. I can't remember how every player on MS responds to every other player on MS, but I can remember how other players engage with me as certain alignments. (I have a really good example of this but game is ongoing..)

[ChannelDelibird]

Sorry guys, I was utterly wiped out after my shift yesterday and have spent much of my day today trying to fix my computer, unexpectedly. I might not get a lot of time to look over things tonight as I'm about to start playing some BSG but, having read the last couple of pages, I'd say that my townread on Silverwolf has intensified.

My vote would be on GrayFox if not for this. I'm worried that he's just town playing in a really, really unsatisfactory manner. Given that he and Davsto were my primary remaining suspects at the end of Day 1, I'm due a rethink for which I haven't yet had time. Should be able to sneak in some reading during my shift tomorrow, though.

I also want to think about who might have profited from Slandaar's death. Nightkill analysis is too often overlooked on mafiascum; I remember thinking that there was no obvious mega-town player from Yesterday so there could be some interpersonal reasons as to why he was offed.

[absta101]

@Wanderer

Awesome. Thanks for explaining how to play as scum.

You tried to disregard the notion of you as scum killing the only person who scum read you. I simply stated that it isn't a stupid scum move. It's a fine strategy to take considering there wasn't any strong players that needed to be killed by scum.

And no, that's how strong my scumread on Davsto was.

Wait what? You only stated intent to hammer because Davsto is your scum read. I don't understand why you had to state intent because of that. It seems more likely that you would state intent to hammer someone because they are a strong enough scum read to warrant being lynched by you. Can you explain what you mean here?

[Davsto]

And no, that's how strong my scumread on Davsto was.

Wait a second, wasn't your scumread on me not really a thing until

after

I hammered?

[SilverWolf]

VOTE: Wanderer-nl

[absta101]

It was already pretty clear to me. What's weird to me now is that you reworded that part of your post but needed to be asked to clean up the rest of it. Makes me think your priorities are with looking town, not scumhunting.

This is the only time she hinted a scum read on Davsto (before the hammer) and it doesn't sound as strong as she says it was.

VOTE: Wanderer
This is better for now.

[MarioManiac4]

but... but...
greyfox is scum

[absta101]

VOTE: Wanderer-nl

Nice ninja.

[Davsto]

but... but...
greyfox is scum

Grayfoxxxx could just be badtown, to be honest, I'd rather get this out of the way first.

On the other hand, Wanderer-nl claimed that he sheeped my intent to hammer because of his scumread on me (which makes little sense in the first place but idk)

which didn't exist at the time.

VOTE: Wanderer

This is L-1 and stuff, tho. Be careful please, we have a lot of time left. I want to do an ISO on Wanderer first (the Grayfoxxxx one can wait).

[Fraggernaut]

Vote Count 2.02

Wanderer-nl (5) - All Alone, Grayfoxxxx, SilverWolf, absta101, Davsto
Grayfoxxxx (1) MarioManiac4



Not Voting (4) -ChannelDelibird,Wanderer-nl, Performer, Akarin

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 9/25 at 6:57 AM EST.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Ok Jesus don't hammer so I can atleast get my vote reasoning out there. 24 hours tops. Going to try and do it while watching Ravens game if I can.

[MarioManiac4]

See how quickly that wagon on Grayfoxxx disappeared?
Don't any of you find it suspicious?

[SilverWolf]

Chirst

UNVOTE:

[Davsto]

See how quickly that wagon on Grayfoxxx disappeared?
Don't any of you find it suspicious?

Wanderer did something that seemed notably more scummy than Grayfoxxxx's bumbling, I don't see how this is suspicious.

I have never really found wagons randomly appearing or disappearing particularly indicative of anyone's alignments involved, or at least not in a consistent, readable way.

[MarioManiac4]

See how quickly that wagon on Grayfoxxx disappeared?
Don't any of you find it suspicious?

Wanderer did something that seemed notably more scummy than Grayfoxxxx's bumbling, I don't see how this is suspicious.

I have never really found wagons randomly appearing or disappearing particularly indicative of anyone's alignments involved, or at least not in a consistent, readable way.

bumbling=mildly scummy
his iso= hugely scummy
like is it hard for you all to read it and vote him?

Also, here's a properly written tip because I feel SEish;
Scum would love for a wagon on scum to dissapear. They'll do what they can to stop it from going through.
Scum would hate for a wagon on town to dissapear. They'll force the wagon through and try to stop it from falling to the non-entity the grayfoxxx wagon is.

[Davsto]

Also, here's a properly written tip because I feel SEish;
Scum would love for a wagon on scum to dissapear. They'll do what they can to stop it from going through.
Scum would hate for a wagon on town to dissapear. They'll force the wagon through and try to stop it from falling to the non-entity the grayfoxxx wagon is.

Sure, they'd love for it to happen. Does that mean that when a wagon disappears the person it disappeared from is scum? Hell no, it happens quite a lot with no indication of the alignment.

For example, you are trying to revive this grayfoxxxx wagon to stop it from being a non-entity. Does that instantly mean you are scum trying to keep a wagon on town when it's rapidly moving onto scum? No, that is but one possibility and is, frankly, silly to assume.

[absta101]

See how quickly that wagon on Grayfoxxx disappeared?
Don't any of you find it suspicious?

No... It was only you and me voting him. I'm not even sure if you can call that a wagon and even if you could, it was only me that moved off it (and hence why it disappeared "quickly").

[SilverWolf]

So Mario-What is your read on Wanderer right now?

[Davsto]

See how quickly that wagon on Grayfoxxx disappeared?
Don't any of you find it suspicious?

No... It was only you and me voting him. I'm not even sure if you can call that a wagon and even if you could, it was only me that moved off it (and hence why it disappeared "quickly").

I was voting him for a short while. And I do mean short.

[absta101]

See how quickly that wagon on Grayfoxxx disappeared?
Don't any of you find it suspicious?

No... It was only you and me voting him. I'm not even sure if you can call that a wagon and even if you could, it was only me that moved off it (and hence why it disappeared "quickly").

Scratch that, Davsto was voting as well. Still, It's only two votes that moved off it.

[SilverWolf]

Ok Jesus don't hammer so I can atleast get my vote reasoning out there. 24 hours tops. Going to try and do it while watching Ravens game if I can.

Give your reasoning on both myself and Wanderer since you have us both as your biggest scumreads right now. And if you have other reads, give them as well.

[SilverWolf]

Town: Davsto, CDB, absta, MM4

Null: Akarin, All Alone

Scum: Wanderer-nl, Grayfoxxxx, Performer

This is where I'm at right now for reads.

[ChannelDelibird]

Mario, did you read #400? What do you think of it? I know that GrayFox's iso is 'bad', quote unquote, but I'm not convinced that it comes from a scum mindset. I don't know either way, but it's certainly nagging at me.