Mafia with the Quickness 2 GAME OVER!

[Juls]

that was mollie.

this is me.

The hydra dissonance defense

[helium-3]

Why the change from scum to town in 12 hours... and why

1) nothing to back up your origional claim he is scum
2) nothing to back up why you suddenly switch him to town

also, in the "12 hours", mastin posted while at the time of mollie's scumread, only haylen posted with the self vote.

/fartasjkdlf;jdsal;fjd;lksajfs

[helium-3]

that was mollie.

this is me.

The hydra dissonance defense

yes.....

...and.....? what of it?

[Zachrulez]

10th Vote Count of Day 1

Juls

(4): Desperado, Sugoku Sugoi, Feu et Vol, SleepyKrew

helium-3

(3): Juls, Not_Mafia, jasonT1981

Imperium

(1): Perpetual Nonsense

Slice of Life

(1): Hoopla

SaintKerrigan

(1): Slandaar

Ser Arthur Dayne

(1): Imperium

Speedy Saki

(1): Oversoul

Oversoul

(1): Slice of Life

Not_Mafia

(1): helium-3

Not Voting

(5): Nero Cain, Ser Arthur Dayne, Speedy Saki, Nobody Special, SaintKerrigan

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2014-06-17 09:00:00)

[Juls]

that was mollie.

this is me.

The hydra dissonance defense

yes.....

...and.....? what of it?

An excuse to change your reads on a dime. Keep doing it, it only helps my case on you.

[helium-3]

or it's that we're two different people and mollie's going to be away for the weekend and i'm the one posting and i can't telepathically communicate with mollie?

either give a scum motivation for what i did or admit you're using buzzwords to say nothing.

[Juls]

I just gave a scum motivation...read please.

[helium-3]

also, this "on a dime" is unmitigated horseshit

at the time of mollie's read, she hadn't seen anything from mastin yet. i got to see the first battery of mastin posts and i know mastin pretty well, so i made a unilateral read.

^scum motivation or gtfo

[helium-3]

I just gave a scum motivation...read please.

no you didn't. you put together a word salad and thought it meant something.

[helium-3]

hydra dissonance is part of the condition of being a hydra (it's two people). we try to sync as often as we can, but we post at will so our situation doesn't allow us to all the time.

if "hydra dissonance" is really part of your case, your case is shit.

[helium-3]

and people who are saying "their pushes aren't genuine" are... ironically... NOT GENUINE

looking at SAD and not_mafia

[Juls]

Hydra dissonance is an easy way for scum to change their reads without a proper and valid argument for doing so. If I were to change my reads, I would be expected to say why I changed my reads. You didn't explain why the read was changed (until I called you on it), you used the hydra dissonance defense. So explain why your other head converted their scum read to a town read on me after I asked the town to vote you when I flipped town. And for bonus points, do it without saying "I don't know why my other head" said/did.

And holy shit, why the fuck would you hydra when you can't communicate with your partner? This is a big cluster fuck of hydras if I have ever seen one.

[helium-3]

you're not listening and you didn't call me out on shit. jason did, and he's leaving out a lot but smoothing over it by giving this bullshitty "12 hours" framework.

here, let me quote all the posts between mollie's scumread and my townread.
spoilered for scroll

Spoiler:

Righto, here we go.

I think Haylen also forgot that we'll need to communicate since she didn't give me a QT link, but we'll fix that eventually. For the time being, catchup!

VOTE: Slandaar

Town.

SAD's probscum.

VOTE: Slandaar
Go, speed wagon... go, go!

So's jason.

We're a miller.

Probably town.
Desp definitely is.

- Three negative town roles already claimed. I'm not sure yet what to think about that.

Three? I only saw the miller and the encryptor.

(SK might be scum.)

...The OTHER SK's probably town, though.
(I'm going to adapt a Saint and Sleepy policy, now. Respectively.)

Take back the jason scumread.
Thought of making it be a townread, but too much doubt there.

Marquis hydra

very

loosely town.

/5.

my role pm implies that multiple encryptors might exist,

and if one is alive daytalk is available for all QTs

if you think i should die why bother rvsing sleepy?

The bolded is why killing desp right now isn't helpful. We need to kill all of them to get rid of the effect. Otherwise we're just feeding scum a free lunch.

Okay, might be town afterall.

Oh god, how many pages am I going to wake up to each morning.

Dayne v Juls feels town v town to me. Daytalk can be very powerful in good hands, not saying I want to lynch Desp or I'm even completely sure he's not reaction testing or something but.. meh, daytalk utilised properly can be good.

VOTE: SleepyKrew

Posting:Content ratio too high

PEDIT: oh lord like a dozen posts popping up

So I might be wrong on this.

But when Not_Mafia has stayed true to his name, I've generally been able to figure as much.

This entrance post isn't giving me that feeling.
It could be on my end, it could be on his end yet not be his alignment (different posting), could be both, but could also be that he's lying. Which I'm vaguely leaning towards.

Okay early town reads on desperado, arthur and Jason.

ALCOHOL IS ALSO EVIL!

I think you might still be 2/3 drunk

Kinda scary how in-line Sleepy is with my thoughts.
Calling town.

scum daytalk isn't that scary and getting rid of the encryptors is entirely pointless and only serves to waste lynches. the rest of them shouldn't claim either bc all it does is tell scum who not to kill

SKrew is town for pointing it out and Desp is town for making waves early - in the game I played with scum Desp he did a lot and tried to look town, but didn't actually do much of anything. F-16 agrees on SKrew town but wants to meta him to be sure.

I liked SAD's 105.

I fucking hate Juls so far. when Desp claimed she first took the easiest and most opportunistic stance for scum to take (lynch it) and then backed off once everyone else did.

vote: Juls

I also dislike Saint. the entirety of his posting is about Desp's claim and when Desp first claimed he also jumped for the opportunity to lynch him.

we'll sign if it's necessary, but it should be rly obvious who is who

Righto. I forget who's in this hydra, but I remember it's got at least one (if not both) player(s) that work with me extremely well (and I think I've called students before; would have to check), yet regardless, town.

(Kinda feel like this game's going to be hellish and have a lot of ambivalence, though. And maybe apathy down the line. Or if not, too-many-townreads syndrome. But eh. Not to be worried about until it's something to be worried about. )

pie please obvtown to me you are off to a good start

He already is. (You are, basically, too.)

For the record, blindly sheeping Antihero is something I can, and probably will, end up ultimately doing. (AKA, he's town and I'm paying close attention to his reads.)

In fact,
VOTE: Not_Mafia.

Hoopla, what do you make of Desp's encryptor claim and subsequent action.
It literally makes me

Yo, Oversoul.

Anti's thoughts on you are looking accurate.

also I think slice of life is scum
discuss.

Well, then I'm scum bussing any scumbuddy you're suspicious of while I buddy you.

cos mastina won't get pissed at me if I leave them as lynchbait while trying to determine their alignment when mastina is v/la on weekends (so am I) and haylen is hittin da club.

For the record, I'll only not get pissed at you if leaving me as lynchbait is temporary, and you actually reverse it around to prevent me from getting lynched.

<3

Mastin, I've noticed something in our meta together (not your lovable alts). Can you tell me what it is?
It isn't really a something, but it is a definite pattern.

I'm always town and you're always scum?


Juls is probs-town if I'm thinking right, but marquis-hydra is def-town.

VOTE: overlysoul

I'll sheep this when caught up, though I owe my friend a catch-up benefit before then.

Mollie, why are you voting me?

Because she's scumreading you, duh.

do you know who I wanna hear from but is on v/la? mastina. cos I kind of think he had overlysoul as scum towards the endgame in that game.

It does seem scum, but honestly, Oversoul and I have had so few direct interactions that my ability to read him has deteriorated significantly, in that any and all experience I've had reading him recently has been watching theme games that he's in and I'm not (at least, not under the name mastin2). Pinkmin was our last well and true proper game together, and my memory of it's hazy enough that I don't really trust myself to be that accurate.

That being said, still a scumread, soyeah.

I feel like Tales Of taught me some things about Mastin, so we'll see.

Indeed it will.

Let's just hope that the common elements here don't lead to a common result. (Among others, me not having any plans to play but being dragged into a hydra by someone asking, me being the more dominant head of the hydra, us being town, the game being fast, and it being filled with normally high-caliber players.)

lets arm wrestle for nk1 honour

I'd fight for that honor, but it seems that nowadays, people are more interested in "mislynch-mastin-on-d2-in-spite-of-her-being-obvtown". >_>
<_<

Why am I scum Desperado? State your case.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

F-16 and I agree on SKrew, Desp, and SAD as town.

@mollie:

why is SAD scum?

I'll buy it if others do, but my gutread on SAD is still scum.

julz is town.

Leaning that way, but MASSIVELY ambivalent.

eta: goddammit mastina is scum

Probably, since I'm getting the distinct impression this won't be god-tiered scumhunting from me and will end up being apathetic-lurkish-eh-I'm-not-really-feelin'-it play, but still town. Just scum.

Okay early town reads on desperado, arthur and Jason.

ALCOHOL IS ALSO EVIL!

I think you might still be 2/3 drunk

Kinda scary how in-line Sleepy is with my thoughts.
Calling town.

Which 2/3rds do you agree with?

Well, Desp townread. Jason's not a scumread but not a townread either. He's minorly ambivalent. (Compared to Juls's massively ambivalent.) Arthur is a scumread. And it's not just the opinions Sleepy's presenting; it's also largely the way he's presenting them that seems in line with me.

then why are we not in your town pool?

You are?

I kinda thought that saying I was fully willing to (and probably would end up) sheep you was enough?

Well, I mean we're town, so your read is we're town.

Yep!

eta: mastina why do you have to be scum.

Because I'm not really feelin' like efforts right now.

Like, best description is that I took chill pillz but chilled out too much into apathy when I'm kinda posting and reading for the heck of it but not really putting much soul into it.

IS THIS THAT FALCON PERSON
SCUM

Probably to the first, but...I'm reasonably certain it's no to the second?

On that note, caught up.

VOTE: Oversoul.
Think that's where mollie/Anti are voting.

Will also vote for Not_Mafia.

Probably should get a readslist up.

8. Desperado
9. Perpetual Nonsense (Bert + SXTLHGaiden)
15. Feu et Vol (beastcharizard + Marquis)
7. helium-3 (Antihero + Pirate Mollie)
12. Imperium (Nachomamma8 + Tammy)
11. Sugoku Sugoi (F-16_Fighting_Falcon + pieguyn)
16. SleepyKrew
14. Hoopla
5. Speedy Saki (Metal Sonic + Saki)
1. JasonT1981
10. Juls
2. SaintKerrigan
3. Slandaar
17. Ser Arthur Dayne
13. Oversoul
6. Not_Mafia

4. Nero Cain
18. Nobody Special

Something like this.

the read didn't "change on a dime" and anyone who says it did is either willfully ignorant or misrepping scum.

[Juls]

I called you out on your choice of defense, not the actual read change. Also, I am saying you will use this defense to change your reads on a dime.

[helium-3]

Hydra dissonance is an easy way for scum to change their reads without a proper and valid argument for doing so. If I were to change my reads, I would be expected to say why I changed my reads. You didn't explain why the read was changed (until I called you on it), you used the hydra dissonance defense. So explain why your other head converted their scum read to a town read on me after I asked the town to vote you when I flipped town. And for bonus points, do it without saying "I don't know why my other head" said/did.

And holy shit, why the fuck would you hydra when you can't communicate with your partner? This is a big cluster fuck of hydras if I have ever seen one.

don't sign up for games with hydras then. nobody forced you to do so this game and there were already 3 hydrae in the game when you signed up.

mollie and i have similar playstyles and tend to have similar reads anyway, so the bitching about hydra playstyle is disingenuous at best

[helium-3]

I called you out on your choice of defense, not the actual read change. Also, I am saying you will use this defense to change your reads on a dime.

HOLY SHIT WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

i was stating a fact.

mollie said haylenmastin was scum.
a fuckingmillion posts later i said they weren't.

that's a fact.

[Juls]

And thanks for explaining your other heads read change on me. It was riveting. Will you use more hydra dissonance defense when you change your vote back to me since that's what you are setting up here.

P-edit: hydras are fine when done correctly.

[Juls]

You defended yourself to Jason by saying "that was mollie". That is what I have a problem with.

[helium-3]

Also, I am saying you will use this defense to change your reads on a dime.

oh, is that so nostradamus?

[going to cool off since if i don't i might say something to get myself banned....]

[helium-3]

You defended yourself to Jason by saying "that was mollie". That is what I have a problem with.

THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS

SHE MADE THE INITIAL READ

I DIDN'T

I MADE THE SECONDARY READ

LISTEN TO WHAT I'M SAYING INSTEAD OF PLANTING YOUR PANTS ON YOUR HEAD AND SCREAMING "LLOALSALLSALDLSAKJFD;LKJSAFLKDS"

[helium-3]

And thanks for explaining your other heads read change on me. It was riveting.

$L#!%$#@!!#

you're terrible

[Juls]

And thanks for explaining your other heads read change on me. It was riveting. Will you use more hydra dissonance defense when you change your vote back to me since that's what you are setting up here.

P-edit: hydras are fine when done correctly.

When you "cool off" try explaining this. It should be a hoot.

[Juls]

And thanks for explaining your other heads read change on me. It was riveting.

$L#!%$#@!!#

you're terrible

Awww shucks, thanks.

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Juls

Antihero's histrionics aside, I'm not liking Juls' "You're scum so you're using hydra dissonance as a scum tactic". Should really be the other way around.

[Juls]

What should be the other way around? That's fine if you guys want to lynch me just lynch them next.