Designer Mafia II: Game Over!

[Norinel]

The standard way to do a mafia kill in games that have roleblockers, followers, paranoids, etc. is to have the kill be the choice of whoever does it; since tss was the last red mafia he could've been attacking KE. I think a reread looking at who seemed connected with DS and/or BlueSin (Including anyone who insisted that the latter

had

to be innocent because of his ability.) would be wisest now.

[Fuldu]

Two scum groups are left. Two kills occurred last night. If tss performed the kill for his group, he didn't target King Enigma, because both kills occurred. If tss didn't perform the kill for his group, he didn't target King Enigma, because he has a passive role (other than kill potential), not an active one. In either case, tss did not target KE and KE is therefore lying scum. Is that clearer?

[Fuldu]

Okay HUGE FOS to FULDU there

making up stuff about TSS role and using it to cast suspiscion on otheres.

Go read the Mafia Scorpion role on page one.

The person who casts the lynch vote gets killed.

So it is not someone else who did the killing.

I don't even know how to respond to this, because I can't understand what the complaint is.

only the passive poisoning of his lyncher

I had read the role on page one, which is what the above was referencing. I'm talking about the Night 4 kills, not BlueSin's death.

[Norinel]

People who said BlueSin is definitely pro-town: Silgado (dead town), DS (dead scum with BlueSin), Fuldu (Although he backed down a bit), and Narninian (Now PeaceBringer).

We also have Mgm's weird/vague investigations (Which, coincidentally, happen to be the very vaguest when he gives them for someone who hasn't claimed a role yet.) to deal with, but he was perhaps the most vocal against BlueSin's provabililty.

[TBuG]

FOS: KingEnigma

You just for some reason strike me as scummy. No offense.

Vote: PeaceBringer

You seem to be trying to save your butt which doesn't even seem close to the chopping block. You took Fuldu's post and decided you could turn it into "I am scum, hear me roar."

[PeaceBringer]

PBug-- seriously get a clue--

I accept Fuldu explanatoin and

UnFOS Fuldu

PBug your response to me is fairly common first response to my game play.

I am not the last mafia-- I am a police dog and there is no way I make up such a ridiculuse role.

But do what you must.. My role doesn't help much and most of the viewees except KE are dead.

It is easy enough to confirm my role- all I have to do is go to night and deliver my list of viewees to someone.


At any rate-- I knee jerk react to Fuldu posts simply trying to figure things out.

I still find mgm a bit spurious.

KE- I tend to believe- why would scum expose self like that?

[PeaceBringer]

OKay just read Fuldu's last post and yes much clearer.

What the heck--

Vote KE

[TBuG]

Unvote: PeaceBringer

Okay, since I'm confirmed pro-town, should I tell you my role? Just wondering.

BIG FoS: KingEnigma

Waiting for vote count, don't want to make a speed lynch.

[Flying Dutchman]

No-one near a lynch yet......

Vote Count (4 to lynch):

King Enigma: 2

(PeaceBringer, Fuldu)

[Norinel]

On second thought,

vote: Mgm

.

BlueSin's real role doesn't have anything to do with chemistry or investigative immunity.

[Fuldu]

I have a vote on King Enigma, as well, FD.

Norinel has a point about Mgm, though. I still think the fact that there's no good explanation for KE's results is stronger than the fact that there's no good explanation for Mgm's results, but it does lead me to wonder.

[PeaceBringer]

Actually I agree with Nor and should have kept the vote on Mgm.

unvote Gnome vote Mgm

[Mgm]

Psst, Mr. Gnome isn't in this game.

I assume you guys also have an explanation for why I tried to get BlueSin lynched based on the nitroglycerin result I'd received. If I'd known it was faulty, I wouldn't have done that, since that would be complete suicide.

[PeaceBringer]

oops--- it is all a blur--games blending

acually unvote whoever I am voting

actually upon reflection Mgm claim looks more likely now.

Back off of KE because Mafia roles are not repeated so far so do not believe there is another mafia ninja--

we also know there maybe a ninja from mimic serial killer.

so I don't have a clue at the moment.

[Mgm]

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if a there was to similar roles in the game.
Designer I had to serial killers (with - IIRC - quite similar roles).

What we'd have to ask ourselves is whether two similar mafia roles would help balancing the game.

[PeaceBringer]

mgm- what I meant was 2 mafia ninja-

I wouldn't be surprised with a good and bad ninja--

but my reaction is seeing how already one majia ninja and given the stark contrasting mafia roles I wouldn't tend to suspect a majia ninja role not used twice.

[TBuG]

No one responded to me. Do you want me to share my role, or not?

I unvoted PeaceBringer, FYI.

[Mgm]

People who don't claim when everyone else has, are in my opinion taking the easy way out. Not claiming means there's nothing other people can use to prove your guilt/innocence other than their gut instinct. So I wouldn't mind if you shared.

You mentioned, you were proven innocent? Can you remind us when that happened?

[Flying Dutchman]

I will be away next week, but to avoid that you stop posting because of that:

Retractable Deadline: Monday the 27th 1500 GMT.

[PeaceBringer]

mgm-- someone reported the master spy cleared PBug.

I would think PBug sharing role would be helpful since we are up to the narrow down portion here.

[Fuldu]

PBuG was cleared by my investigation of him, which went to Lord Gurgi and the silent speaker. Now, in truth, neither of them has a complete incentive to tell the truth, but I don't think LG would have lied about that. I don't need to hear PBuG's claim to believe he's innocent.

Especially since I have yet to hear an explanation of how King Enigma's supposed results could possibly have occurred. To me, there's no question that he's lying, whereas Mgm's results really just depend on how the mod felt like dealing with the situation of the Faker. KE hasn't even attempted to explain it. To reiterate, tss couldn't have targeted KE for anything other than a kill. Last night, there were two killing groups remaining and both of them made their kills. tss, therefore did not target KE, but KE has said that he did.

[Norinel]

Last night, there were two killing groups remaining and both of them made their kills.

How do you know that? All you have to suppose is a third killing group and that KE's role blocks most actions targetting him.

Besides, Mgm claimed the nitro result was from Night 2, before BlueSin claimed.

[Fuldu]

You think we started with four killing groups, Norinel, and no more than two have ever been successful in a single night? Yes, that would be a possible explanation, but it seems improbable to me.

[Norinel]

Or one of the handful of unclaimed roles is a vig, or a killer got an extra kill for some reason, or KE's role is inaccurate, or FD's been lying in the descriptions of the mafia, or...

Why are you so obsessed with the lack of a good reason why he wouldn't be lying when there's no good reason why he would?

[Fuldu]

Fair enough, Norinel. I like my reasoning better, but I see the merits of yours. Unless another Lord Gurgi anointed investigator wants to point a finger, I can confortably lynch Mgm today.

unvote: King Enigma; vote: Mgm