Outdoorsmen Mafia (Mini 1074) - Game Over!

[Ythill]

Big deal? You just said that L-2 "isn't really that big of a deal" but now L-4 is? Even though our reasoning is better than yours?

LOL.

[Antihero]

Can you tell me how me claiming is a scumtell?

[Seol]

WTF is the big deal about this? I have a feeling I was told this just because it fits in with the occupation I was given in the role PM.

The big deal is you are lying about your role.

[Ythill]

@Anti:

Lack of concern about NKs.

I love the

OMG, how did you catch me?

Never seen it this early before.

[Antihero]

Why would I say what I said unprovoked if I were scum?

Lack of conern about NKs? What's that?

[Ythill]

And... he retreats into WIFOM and playing dumb. Heh.

I hope his buddies are this easy.

[Ythill]

I suppose I could answer you first question though, out of courtesy to townies trying to get a read on me. You said it unprovoked because you are antsy to fakeclaim.

[Seol]

Why would I say what I said unprovoked if I were scum?

I don't know, maybe you came up with a pre-emptive fake claim and got over-enthusiastic with it. It doesn't matter why, though: what matters is that the claim is a lie, which means you're scum. QED.

PPE: Ythill beat me to the plausible reason.

[Antihero]

I said what I said because it's the only part of my damn role!

And... he retreats into WIFOM and playing dumb. Heh.

Don't dodge the question, scumbag.

Preview: Yes, because claiming to be vanilla+knowledge of no jester would really help me avoid a lynch.

[Ythill]

Then stop asking lame questions.

[Riceballtail]

UNVOTE; VOTE:Antihero

Well that was an easy scum find.

[MacavityLock]

Knowledge of no Jester, vanilla otherwise is a ridiculous role. Full claim, flavor too please.

[Ythill]

There shall be no fullclaims before L-1 + hammer waiting. If you're interested in reaching that point, a vote could help.

No reason to get ahead of ourselves.

[MacavityLock]

Fine.

Unvote. Vote: Antihero.

Why doesn't this situation engender an exception to the normal claiming process, Yth?

[Ythill]

Burden of proof is on you, Mac. Why

does

it call for exception?

[Seol]

There shall be no fullclaims before L-1 + hammer waiting. If you're interested in reaching that point, a vote could help.

No reason to get ahead of ourselves.

This is a slightly unusual situation. Normally, it's bad play for a player to claim before first addressing the arguments against them to exhaustion, and only claiming as a precaution before lynching - and under those (overwhelmingly normal) conditions what you're saying is perfectly correct.

Here, the argument against Antihero

is

his claim, and in order to address the arguments, he must address his claim. That's a cat

he

let out of the bag.

If he's telling the truth, there's little difference whether he claims fully now or later, but allowing him to drip-feed details or giving him too much time to compose would be advantageous for him as scum. So, we don't give him time.

[Antihero]

Knowledge of no Jester, vanilla otherwise is a ridiculous role. Full claim, flavor too please.

I've already given it too you. The occupation I was talking about earlier was statistician.

[charter]

Lol

One down.

Vote Antihero

Games are just getting easier it seems.

[MacavityLock]

Burden of proof is on you, Mac. Why

does

it call for exception?

Here, the argument against Antihero

is

his claim, and in order to address the arguments, he must address his claim. That's a cat

he

let out of the bag.

If he's telling the truth, there's little difference whether he claims fully now or later, but

allowing him to drip-feed details or giving him too much time to compose would be advantageous for him as scum.

So, we don't give him time.

Yeah, this.

Preview edit: Statistician, as townie in Outdoorsmen Mafia? Yeah, that's caught scum. Vote stays.

[Antihero]

Well, I screwed this game up thoroughly.

Can someone just hammer me now, please?

[Seol]

While you're waiting, you might want to read the guidelines for Normal games. Just for future reference.

[Ythill]

@Seol:

I see your point, but I still think the risk of giving scum rolehunting clues from a player we are not clearly willing to lynch outweighs the risk of giving Anti time to think about his claim. IME, scum can be caught because a lack of time makes a claim obv-fake, or because overthinking does. But whatever, it looks like Anti jumped the gun anyway, with no harm done.

That was a scum claim. Should we hang him now or use our remaining time to look for the rest of the mafia?

[charter]

Who is your buddy? We can probably get the speed record here.

[Ythill]

one of these two is scum, ask me later which one

This is intriguing.

[Seol]

@Seol:

I see your point, but I still think the risk of giving scum rolehunting clues from a player we are not clearly willing to lynch outweighs the risk of giving Anti time to think about his claim. IME, scum can be caught because a lack of time makes a claim obv-fake, or because overthinking does. But whatever, it looks like Anti jumped the gun anyway, with no harm done.

That was a scum claim. Should we hang him now or use our remaining time to look for the rest of the mafia?

You're being awfully by-the-book today, aren't you!

I'd agree with you if it was an iffy role. It was a clear out-and-out lie, though, no room for doubt: risk/reward ratios got messed up by that, and whilst we can't

impose

a particular strategy in a given situation, there's nothing wrong with lobbying for it.