Open 475, Twin Trap GAME OVER

[unseencamo]

Active lurking = posting nothing beneficial. Tazaro you never gave your own reason, just sided with HD. Is he your scum buddy or something?

[Tazaro]

No, he is not. My trust buddy, though.

[Tazaro]

Meh.

UNVOTE:

Maybe H.D. shouldn't have my trust yet.

[Lincolm]

Active lurking = posting nothing beneficial. Tazaro you never gave your own reason, just sided with HD. Is he your scum buddy or something?

I don't see you posting something beneficial. What I see, you think I'm active lurking, and you respond me. For me your vote like said "I want you to active". Yeah, no.

[Human Destroyer]

Active lurking = posting nothing beneficial. Tazaro you never gave your own reason, just sided with HD. Is he your scum buddy or something?

Your definition of active lurking is twisted. Active lurking is keeping up with the thread and not posting until being called out for doing so. Considering Lincolm has been posting, he's not active lurking.

You've also accused both me and Tazaro of being scum without voting either of us.

Vote stays.

[ArcAngel9]

I trust H.D. for now. Scum doesn't just regularly make a serious vote without explanation.

I agree on this and with others about unseen's unwated push about Lincolm's lurking. Seems fishy!!
VOTE: unseencamo

[MonkeyMan576]

@ArcAngel, so you are basically saying it's okay to lurk?

[ArcAngel9]

@ArcAngel, so you are basically saying it's okay to lurk?

Well, To me Lincolm seem more honest, he at least mentioned the fact that he rather lurk than a random vote or posting too much. unseen point of pushing lurk doesn't seem postive and his reaction when others were asked about it was also not postive.

so the point is that Lincolm lurk could be bad or good but Unseem reaction was unusual...

[MonkeyMan576]

@ArcAngel, so you are basically saying it's okay to lurk?

Well, To me Lincolm seem more honest, he at least mentioned the fact that he rather lurk than a random vote or posting too much. unseen point of pushing lurk doesn't seem postive and his reaction when others were asked about it was also not postive.

so the point is that Lincolm lurk could be bad or good but Unseem reaction was unusual...

Ok, but the fact that he had to state his lurking reasons seems to me that he is overconcerned about how people see him.

[Human Destroyer]

I'll admit, I honestly thought Lincolm's lurking comment was more of his way of characterizing it than legitimate lurking, but that's just me. I'll also again point out that he isn't lurking if he's posting.

Monkey, what is your read on unseencamo?

[ArcAngel9]

@ArcAngel, so you are basically saying it's okay to lurk?

Well, To me Lincolm seem more honest, he at least mentioned the fact that he rather lurk than a random vote or posting too much. unseen point of pushing lurk doesn't seem postive and his reaction when others were asked about it was also not postive.

so the point is that Lincolm lurk could be bad or good but Unseem reaction was unusual...

Ok, but the fact that he had to state his lurking reasons seems to me that he is overconcerned about how people see him.

How does openly indicating your concern makes you scum, I have been very concered in the same why when i have nothing to post and end up just reading through thread.. Its common that sometimes you don't have anything to post than just read and read and read. And openly stating reason for not posting is not actually lurking. Lurking mostly means intentionally avoiding a topic or one's discussion, more as in being afraid to talk. I honestly felt Limcolm wasn't doing anything like that... And moreover, if anyone wants lurk, they rather login as invisible and login in usual way and letting people judge them... so nope, i don't see hims lurking yet.. Unless there was discussion about him and he is been avoding it while he shows online.

[Disturbed_One]

K I have a free period so I'll explain quickly

unseencamo is attacking Lincolm for no real reason; supposedly for "active lurking" yet Lincolm is clearly here and posting

The vote so conveniently happened to put Lincolm at L-2. I find that opportunistic.

Do tell how my vote is opportunistic though Disturbed, I'm quite interested in your reasoning

You're absolutely right. unseencamo

is

attacking Lincolm for no real reason.

Now, tell me what exactly is scummy about that. Because I don't find it scummy. Yes, the argument is crap, but the motivation behind the argument I have trouble believing is scummy. He's being inquisitive with a player who is deliberately refusing to actually take part in this game. That's not unreasonable and it certainly isn't scummy.

You yourself said that his definition for "active lurking" is twisted. Is that because he's misrepresenting Lincolm, or because he doesn't actually know what active lurking is?

I don't find unseencamo suspicious and I find your jump to his wagon a bit premature. On the surface, it would it appear that you are interested in getting out of RVS. But I find your motivation questionable when it comes to your stance on unseencamo.

Meh.

UNVOTE:

Maybe H.D. shouldn't have my trust yet.

Why question it now? You trusted him a second ago, what happened to change that?

[Human Destroyer]

It's scummy because I found his L-2 vote opportunistic. I already said this. If he is attacking Lincolm over nothing, why put him at L-2?

[Tazaro]

@Disturbed:

Active lurking = posting nothing beneficial. Tazaro you never gave your own reason, just sided with HD. Is he your scum buddy or something?

Accusing me of having a possible scum buddy in Human Destroyer seems to be too brash for unseencamo to be pegged right now as scum.

[Human Destroyer]

^So if it is so brash that he accuses the both of us of being scum while he is still voting Lincolm, in a

2 scum setup

, don't you see something off here?

[Disturbed_One]

It's scummy because I found his L-2 vote opportunistic. I already said this. If he is attacking Lincolm over nothing, why put him at L-2?

Clearly, he doesn't believe that he is attacking Lincolm over nothing, or he would have abandoned that argument. If he put Lincolm at L-2 for any other reason, would it be opportunistic? Why is this reasoning (or lack of it) anymore suspicious to you?

@Disturbed:

Active lurking = posting nothing beneficial. Tazaro you never gave your own reason, just sided with HD. Is he your scum buddy or something?

Accusing me of having a possible scum buddy in Human Destroyer seems to be too brash for unseencamo to be pegged right now as scum.

This is reasonable and I agree.

[Human Destroyer]

Depends on if it's a strong reason to be voting Lincolm. Which, as I've said, the current one isn't. Attacking someone with a really weak case like this one to put them at L-2 seems orchestrated to me.

[Human Destroyer]

Active lurking = posting nothing beneficial. Tazaro you never gave your own reason, just sided with HD. Is he your scum buddy or something?

Also, just in case you missed this.

Scum reads: HD and Tazaro
Voting: Lincolm

Do you see the disconnect in thought process here?

[Disturbed_One]

Depends on if it's a strong reason to be voting Lincolm. Which, as I've said, the current one isn't. Attacking someone with a really weak case like this one to put them at L-2 seems orchestrated to me.

Does having a weak case make someone scum? Does having a strong one make someone town?

Pedit:
That's not actually not a bad point, I'd still like to see your answer to my questions, however.

[Human Destroyer]

Independently, no and no, BUT if combined with an L-2 or L-1 vote, I'd say very much yes.

[unseencamo]

First of all, just because I am voting for Lincolm does not mean that I can't be suspicious of others. My scum reads are not HD and Tazaro per say, making post #67 erroneous. I questioned if HD was Tazaro's 'scum buddy' to see his response, and to maybe make him realize that he should not just buddy up and trust someone. Also, part of the reason for my vote on Lincolm is to illicit a response. In this point of the game (early day 1), actions must be taken to allow analysis of responses. Lincolm is not even in real danger of being lynched, and this has been a fruitful action. I now have lots of posts to read over and analyze. My vote is no where near solidified, not even close. However, I need some more insight on Lincolm, and he has hardly posted anything, especially anything with real content.

[MonkeyMan576]

Unvote

I like that ArcAngel is actually being active in a game for once, I hope she can keep it up(no offence).

Thinking about switching my voting to camo for his fencesitting.

[unseencamo]

Fencesitting? At least I am contributing.

[Lincolm]

@ArcAngel, so you are basically saying it's okay to lurk?

So you think I'm lurk? Describe your lurk also because you didn't start any discussion.
You rather to vote me without reason, but explain the reason in page 3. Why not explain it in page 1?

Ok, but the fact that he had to state his lurking reasons seems to me that he is overconcerned about how people see him.

Why I over concerned?

Clearly, he doesn't believe that he is attacking Lincolm over nothing

Do you see like that? If yes, explain his attack.

Attacking someone with a really weak case like this one to put them at L-2 seems orchestrated to me.

Seems you agitated with someone in L-2 with weak case. May explain why it seems orchestrated? For me it just same like the other random vote.

However, I need some more insight on Lincolm, and he has hardly posted anything, especially anything with real content.

For me, the only real content of your post begin in your post #50.

Fencesitting? At least I am contributing.

I don't know what contribute do you point in here. Because, I don't see it.

[unseencamo]

Yay Lincolm posted something real.