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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:01 pm

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"One time you may modify the
nightkill to be strong enough to
kill an immortal."

Wait, am I the only one that can do that? I should do it before I get killed.

As such:

Superkill Varsoon.
Cheetory, I want this kill to be strong enough to kill an immortal.

Varsoon better not be a Paranoid Gun Owner after all this. With any luck, Jazz will be eaten tonight by the SK.
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:26 pm

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You or West9 have the ability to modify the kill to kill immortals.
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:41 pm

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ahhh everything makes sense now.
question now is who's gonna do the kill?
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:13 pm

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Cool w/Varsoon kill. If your looking for a 100% confirmed inmortal to kill, though, your best bet is going to be Johnny.

The biggest challenge in a Big the Cat lynch is that I'm 90% sure the BRO-slot is immortal. So we have to make sure none of us are the collective's second pick, just incase shit goes down with claiming.
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:30 pm

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Block Toast
for now.

NQT should do the kill because then I'm free to roleblock.

Would it be worth it to try and Big or block someone else in hopes of hitting the SK?
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:17 pm

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why is it a challenge to lynch Big? if he's immortal he can't be killed so we got to lynch Big and Big certainly look like he's up for a lynch.

wait actually i don't get the whole of post 53's second paragraph, can you explain?
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:18 pm

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we shouldn't be trying to lynch the SK right so the SK can help us kill someone?
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:23 pm

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Yeah if I'm right that there's an immortal sk and it wasn't just a one-time thing then it's going to be targeting players that have claimed immortal which doesn't include any of us.
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:25 pm

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can someone tell me who claimed immortal again? or any other claims?
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:56 pm

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In post 55, Mainez wrote:wait actually i don't get the whole of post 53's second paragraph, can you explain?

well, it's just that we might run up big and then if he goes "claim: immortal" and town goes "we're pretty sure immortal people are town, we're not gonna kill him," it'll be really scummy for any of us to go "well we should still kill him because we're hunting for third-party and we think third-party might be immortal." In that instance, town will probably just want to kill the 2nd most popular wagon, and so we should try to be careful and make sure one of us isn't the 2nd most popular wagon.
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:01 pm

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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:02 pm

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oh i see, thanks for explaining.

why do we think Big is immortal again?

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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:02 pm

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Jazzmyn claimed immortal, Johnny got shot and lived through it so he's immortal, and BRO (who was replaced by Big) was the first person to use the word "immortal" instead of the typical "bulletproof" so I think he's immortal as well.
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:02 pm

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i'm a bit out of sorts now cause i just finished one paper and i have another paper later on.

exams are awful.
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:23 pm

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Also Varsoon is baiting a kill which implies immortality
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:55 pm

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Well the night has been slightly extended but that's okay: we all know what we're doing.
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:20 pm

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Locked for D3
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:42 pm

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Unlocked for N3.
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:17 pm

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if nothing goes wrong, we will win tonight right cause if johnny can indeed eat immortals only then he's not a threat to killing us?

so we can go ahead and just do our stuff: west roleblocks toast and nqt kills aris?

(good job all btw!!!)
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:56 pm

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No, NQT has gotta kill Toast.

Block Johnny


Basically, if Aristophanes, Varsoon, and Toast are telling the truth (and I have no reason to believe they aren't) and if Johnny can be blocked (which I also assume is true, because it says I can block nightkills in my role pm), then we're solid. I block Johnny, NQT kills Toast. We go into the next day with a 2:3:1 advantage, and if that doesn't win us the game, we all vote Johnny to either force a no-lynch or get town to just hammer him for us and give us the game. If there's a no-lynch, we go to the night at 2:3:1 and block johnny/kill ari, giving us a majority the next day that we can use to kill Johnny and win.

This covers every almost every possible worst-case scenario that can happen. Toast will still be able to prime someone tonight, but he's gonna die before he can do anything about it. If Johnny is lying about his win condition and he wins by scorched-earth-ing, we'll be at enough of an advantage to just power through to his lynch. We avoid NKing Varsoon, preventing redirection shenanigans. If my roleblock only prevents Johnny's kill and he decides to make someone else immortal, it doesn't matter, because we'll kill Ari the next night, and Ari can't have anything happen to him.
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:56 pm

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I wasn't lying when I said that I didn't trust Johnny enough to not block him.
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:04 pm

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ah okay, i totally overlooked that.

thank you guys, i have been pretty blur with this game due to the flavour and roles and stuff which probably contributed to me being the least scummy out of the 3 of us haha. i think our heads have been on the chopping board most of the time but somehow we still managed to get to this point though!

i hope the day starts with a win for us, you guys have been great!
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:22 pm

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I've been happy with how the game's been going so far. I think we've been coordinatingly nicely and manipulating our own levels of scuminess to help town be lazy without them thinking that they're being lazy. We've got the atmosphere to a point where I was able to say "people are falling into this Big lynch the same way the Kalimar lynch was fallen into" and that made the Big lynch seem like a more legitate option.
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:32 pm

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I'm really proud of us today. We went in with a game plan: kill Big, and we achieved that plan. I wish Aristo and Toast had been quicker with their inevitable votes, it was making me nervous. Fortunately, Big made so many mistakes I was able to look good in comparison and lead the town to his lynch.

Night Kill Toast
is the obvious choice for today.

West is right to block Johnny: we don't want any mysterious shenanigans. If it's not an auto-win for whatever reason and Toast is dead, one of us should claim that there must be a 1 man superscum team and we all vote for Johnny.

If Toast doesn't die for some reason, we might have to try to side with Johnny to lynch town: if one of us is seriously up for the lynch, they should threaten Johnny with the superkill (which he knows exists) and get him to vote a townsperson, and then we quickhammer that town to win.
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:35 pm

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btw, i wanna ask something: Big brought up a point about nqt not knowing what role he enables as part of their argument for nqt as scum. i checked the wiki and it does seem hat town enablers do know what role they enable, is this really the case?

pedit: West was the one making me nervous! when i checked the thread, i saw that both Aris and Toast had already voted haha.

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