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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:08 am

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In post 31, Psyche wrote:its the end of the world as we knoww it
If I return a library book, it's technically the end of the world as I knoww it because my world used to have the library book.

It's a change. A bad one, I believe. But then everytime someone uses "I don't care what experts say" as part of their argument for change tends to not benefit.

But it's not the "end of the world".
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:23 am

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oh ok i thought the world was literally over now
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:24 am

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hi i just want to post these to lighten the mood

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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:36 am

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In post 12, BBmolla wrote:Can someone explain why they did this and what it means
Why they did this:
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What it means:
http://indy100.independent.co.uk/articl ... yxD59VO3Nb
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:36 am

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I'll post something less polemic later maybe.
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:25 am

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Can't formulate coherent none angry thoughts but I am just worried about the future. I can't even take pleasure in Cameron resigning, because whoever replaces him will be much, much worse.
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:55 am

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In post 53, Fenchurch wrote:
In post 12, BBmolla wrote:Can someone explain why they did this and what it means
Why they did this:
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What it means:
http://indy100.independent.co.uk/articl ... yxD59VO3Nb
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:55 am

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Gosh, I thought you guys were supposed to have the moral right-of-way in such matters.
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:20 am

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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:47 am

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I bellylaughed. Gotta laugh somehow. Fruckoff is also pretty good.

The Ashcroft polls make interesting, if depressing reading.

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/ho ... 4-71633365

tl:dr people seem to be looking for a forgotten golden age that never existed in the first place. And the younger voters who will have to deal with the fallout of this are being shafted by older voters who won't. To say nothing of the British expats that had no say and have just had their savings hammered.

It's all very fucked up.
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:26 am

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People I know will still vote for this idiot because they perceive Hillary as a criminal.
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:38 am

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[24-Jun-16 9:34:51 PM] Peter Dalton: I am busy amusing myself by imagining break up songs as being sung between the EU and the UK
[24-Jun-16 9:35:07 PM] Peter Dalton: it's saaad, oh so saaaad, WHY can't we talk it over?
[24-Jun-16 9:35:47 PM] Peter Dalton: sad to see you go, was kinda hoping that you'd stay
[24-Jun-16 9:36:02 PM] Peter Dalton: ne me quitte pas, ne me quitte pas, ne me quitte pas
[24-Jun-16 9:36:19 PM] Peter Dalton: now and then I think of when we were together
[24-Jun-16 9:36:34 PM] Myko: shanba stop :'(
[24-Jun-16 9:36:42 PM] Peter Dalton: YOU'RE A LITTLE LATE
[24-Jun-16 9:36:44 PM] Peter Dalton: I'M ALREADY TORN
(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN

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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:36 pm

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I wonder what Gibraltarians are going to do. People talk about Scotland voting Remain, but they only have just over 60% vote for it. Gibraltar had 96%.

EDIT: Apparently Spain has already sought to exert more governance over the rock: http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britai ... KKCN0ZA169
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:36 pm

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It's not every day I get a first thing in the morning call from my hubby apologising for not transferring our savings into Swiss francs (told him not to worry because I would have assumed he was overreacting too - we would have paid back 10% of the money on our mortgage though from a single nights transfer but oh well).

This is fucking funny though.

http://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/do ... ite-thing/
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:10 pm

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If Irish Unity (one of the FEW bright sides of this mess) doesn't come to pass I'm going to immediately register for Irish Republic duel citizenship (as is my right under the law thanks to my heritage), rise through the ranks to become PM of the Republic, and declare all British conducting their rebel occupation of Northern Ireland must swear fealty to the One True Ireland or be immediately declared
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:25 pm

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Well that's really lovely and adorable but I'd rather the people that actually lived there worked out what the fuck they want to do.
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:23 pm

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In post 32, xRECKONERx wrote:right wing populist xenophobe
The problem with using the word xenophobia (as in bigotry against people from other countries) to characterize the driving force behind the right wing populist votes that are gaining momentum in the richer countries of the developed world is that it glosses over the legitimate concerns and realities that is at the root of the phenomenon: low qualified (even 'medium qualified') workers face the competitive stress of cheaper labor while having very little access to the opportunities offered by globalization/europe.

That's something right wing populism has understood, and that's exactly why it thrives.

In France, Marine Le Pen (whose father is the retired founder of her movement, and notoriously antisemitic) from the Nationalist Front never misses an opportunity to repeat that "we (she and her voters) are not racist". And she is telling the truth. The majority of her voters don't feel superior to their arab/chinese/whatev neighbor, they just don't want/fear/hate the competition.

(Conversely, the far leftist Melenchon who tried to harness this same electorate by demonizing xenophobia, and putting the blame on the rich people failed spectacularly in the legislative elections - right wing populist voters are not dirt poor, they are just privileged and under qualified at the same time).

That's why I feel sympathetic (though I don't think it is realistic: for the same competences and labour, a brit/french/american earns more than triple what a romanian/chinese/turc makes) toward the brit people who voted to leave the EU, though globalization is certainly 'inclusive', because money and the exploitation of people knows no color, race or religion, there is spunk in saying fuck (even self-interestedly) to the power in place and the seemingly inescapable laws of the machine.

I hope the UK finds an alternative and new route of development that can be copied the world over.
I hope it doesn't simply regress into delusive isolationism.
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:30 pm

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To paraphrase Ford Unionist occupiers can pick any option they like as long as it is Unify Ireland.
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:49 pm

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In post 47, Tere wrote:You may find this commentary interesting. Ian is the president of Eurasia Group, one of the major political risk commentators.

https://www.facebook.com/ianbremmer/vid ... 000569182/
That's an interesting perspective. If it comes to fruition, I believe it will be the first time western countries engage in large scale repressive measures against a non communist western country. Very post iron-curtain. Maybe the start of the implosion of capitalism Marx (Karl) has been waiting for.

It will also mean the total erosion of political power vs economical power because be mindful that Eurasia Group, a so called political risk r&d firm, is basically a pro free market lobby at an international level.
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:04 pm

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In post 59, Tere wrote: people seem to be looking for a forgotten golden age that never existed in the first place
Post WWII economic expansion was certainly a golden age for the western world.
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:45 pm

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It's pretty common wisdom Eu will act punitively toward the uk. Not out of any venom necessarily but because otherwise it invites other countries to have their own referendum. Make no mistake though: this is the UKs fault
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:57 pm

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Chilling don't you think, when governing bodies from the so called free world think referendums are their ennemies and would actively maneuver to quash them in the bud.

What does the west has to sell to the rest of the world beside the democratic ideal and freedom?
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:00 pm

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I'd love to answer that question but you used the word "sell"
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:02 pm

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What about it, the word "sell"? "Selling an idea" is a common expression.
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:05 pm

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