The New Newbie Game Setup

[Virtuoso]

I would propose

Mafia RB > Town RB > Town JK

[Cabd]

I would propose

Mafia RB > Town RB > Town JK

This is my intent.

[Mulch]

Town roleblocker is negative effect half the time

[Mulch]

If you want I will link you all the 9 player games I hosted in MU in which the roleblocker did a negative effect. It was an astounding amount

[Mulch]

However, I DO really really like the fact that we have daychat. It should help a LOT. Although, dosen't help with the scum sidedness problems.

And well done to everyone that made this! Looks at least more intersting and should spark some activity!

[Virtuoso]

The first game I ever modded the town rb was basically lynched upon claim

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=70568

[Mulch]

Yeah I didn't even take into account the town rber could easily be a scum rber lmfao

Yeah, town rber is negative utility

[mhsmith0]

Imagine cop/rb/rb, day one goon lynch, n1 roleblocker hits cop and scum shoot. Town is STILL in super strong situation, as now roleblocker can hard clear someone every night he lives, since he blocks scum rb even if they mutually target.

This also has the nice advantage of making day 1 scum lynches SUPER dangerous to scum, which I think makes d1 more interesting and discourages bussing, both of which are I think improvements.

[PenguinPower]

The first game I ever modded the town rb was basically lynched upon claim

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=70568

And a VT was lynched within 3 hours of day opening without posting...

Your point?

[Mulch]

discourages bussing... I think improvements.

Why? That is a crucial part of the game and we shoulden't be slanting it in any particular way.

[Cabd]

I think similar setups on Ms are fine to compare. Setups run on turbo sites are completely different in practice. The same setup has vastly different outcomes.

[Virtuoso]

The first game I ever modded the town rb was basically lynched upon claim

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=70568

And a VT was lynched within 3 hours of day opening without posting...

Your point?

The point being that town RBers are almost always mislynched and almost always hurt the town via NAs

[Mulch]

Who disagrees with 48

[Mulch]

The first game I ever modded the town rb was basically lynched upon claim

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=70568

And a VT was lynched within 3 hours of day opening without posting...

Your point?

The point being that town RBers are almost always mislynched and almost always hurt the town via NAs

Let alone fuck over their own team by blocking power roles

[PenguinPower]

One example is not "almost always" unless you want to say that VTs are "almost always" lynched within 3 hours of day opening without posting.

Not really here to debate, I'm just a bit salty about my lynch in that game. However, my point on sample size stands.

[PenguinPower]

Who disagrees with 48

What are your suggested solutions?

[Mulch]

Who disagrees with 48

What are your suggested solutions?

I don't know. I'm sorry if I'm coming off as ungrateful or overly critical, I honestly don't know any solutions (I did come up with a matrix6 but apparently vigilantes aren't allowed). But I can tell this has flaws

[Virtuoso]

Vigilantes would be god awful in newbie games

[PenguinPower]

Who disagrees with 48

What are your suggested solutions?

I don't know. I'm sorry if I'm coming off as ungrateful or overly critical, I honestly don't know any solutions (I did come up with a matrix6 but apparently vigilantes aren't allowed). But I can tell this has flaws

I don't necessarily agree with you, but you aren't coming across as either. That's the point of this thread. Point out the flaws that you see.

[Gamma Emerald]

I would propose

Mafia RB > Town RB > Town JK

I think so too.

[Gamma Emerald]

Who disagrees with 48

I can't get anything out of it

[Cabd]

Presumably the setups are being colored by "sidedness"

[Gamma Emerald]

But he doesn't give any indication which way a color is

[Cabd]

I would assume blue is neutral; red is scum sided, green is town sided. But who knows.

[fferyllt]

I guess a least confusing table would be this:

		Number 1		Number 2		Number 3
First die	Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker		Mafia Rolecop		Mafia Goon
		Number 2	Number 3	Number 2	Number 3	Number 2	Number 3
Second die	Town	Town Tracker	Town Roleblocker	Town Doctor	Town Rolecop	Town Doctor	Town Rolecop
Third die	Town	Town Cop	Town Jailkeeper	Town Cop	Town Jailkeeper	Town Tracker	Town Roleblocker

* = Number 1s other than first die are rerolled

I've wikified this table and added it to the 3d3 wiki page. Thanks so much for the suggestion!