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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:09 am

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In post 35, Dannflor wrote: VOTE: taly
I want to know more about this tbh, I thought what I said was pretty mild
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:11 am

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In post 48, Brown Eyes wrote: I also would have voted Dunn for the record, but primarily for the subtle way in which his very first post was to recommend that he be saved.
What do you mean...
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:11 am

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In post 42, Mandate wrote: Also there's the bit about it being a very gentle/soft nudge in the direction of us going mercy route when town in Dunnstral position should want to push town very hard to go mercy route not be cagey about saying 'well genocide run is basically mountainous'.

It's not that it's a confident scumread but I have a few people I think are more likely town than not and Dunnstral is the only person who really pinged me thus far.
Sorry if I'm not getting something here but why does Dunnstral want to push us to go the Merch route, because he's Toriel? Aren't they just a public double voter that can't be voted for now? Why does that indicate the mercy route?

I get voting out mafia makes Day 2 really good for us but I'm not really understanding the correlation.
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:12 am

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I don't see much point in discussing mercy or fight until D2.5, and that the preference for one off face value is NAI.
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:12 am

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In post 44, Brown Eyes wrote:
In post 33, Dannflor wrote: but also i do not know how useful discussing dunnstral's alignment is since he's getting flipped no matter what
He's the most important to discuss,
because
he's getting flipped no matter what.
Really? I thought the exact opposite!
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:12 am

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OK I get what Brown Eyes is saying. I actually did not realize that about the setup as it was not super obvious.
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:13 am

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In post 54, Keyleth wrote:
In post 44, Brown Eyes wrote:
In post 33, Dannflor wrote: but also i do not know how useful discussing dunnstral's alignment is since he's getting flipped no matter what
He's the most important to discuss,
because
he's getting flipped no matter what.
Really? I thought the exact opposite!
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:13 am

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Well regardless of whether Dunnstral is town or scum they want us to go spare route mechanically because spare route rewards us if Toriel is town and punishes us if she is mafia.

So for me it's not that his first post was to say go spare it's the fact that it was sort of timid and indirect.

Dunnstral is important to discuss because the most important decision of the game is genocide vs pacifist route and we make that decision primarily based on our read on Toriel.
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:13 am

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In post 50, Taly wrote:
In post 35, Dannflor wrote: VOTE: taly
I want to know more about this tbh, I thought what I said was pretty mild
saying you town lean toriel just seems like the safest possible thing you could say that can also be classified as game talk

and that is regardless of dunnstral's alignment

do you have thoughts on anyone else so far
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:13 am

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In post 51, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 48, Brown Eyes wrote: I also would have voted Dunn for the record, but primarily for the subtle way in which his very first post was to recommend that he be saved.
What do you mean...
Can you elaborate on what you don't understand about what I said there?
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:14 am

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In post 59, Brown Eyes wrote:
In post 51, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 48, Brown Eyes wrote: I also would have voted Dunn for the record, but primarily for the subtle way in which his very first post was to recommend that he be saved.
What do you mean...
Can you elaborate on what you don't understand about what I said there?
I thought I simply died on day 3 regardless of what route we went for. I did not realize sparing was good for me.
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:15 am

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In post 58, Dannflor wrote:
In post 50, Taly wrote:
In post 35, Dannflor wrote: VOTE: taly
I want to know more about this tbh, I thought what I said was pretty mild
saying you town lean toriel just seems like the safest possible thing you could say that can also be classified as game talk

and that is regardless of dunnstral's alignment

do you have thoughts on anyone else so far
Keyleth and Mandate passed the vibe check

Also whats safe here? I don't get how what I said is protective on a game that just began. Much less effective to try and pocket Dunn, hypothetically.
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:15 am

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Dunn
have any impressions on people rn?
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:16 am

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Ohhh so we vote at 2.5 and then at 3 Dunn gets sent to the afterworld.

So you want us to talk about that, I see. I didn't fully get that but shouldn't that be felt for mostly Day 2? At least, I wouldn't want to clog the thought with thoughts on a player we can't flip! This dayphase has extra emphasis on flipping a wolf so I was kinda tunneled onto that mentality haha.
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:17 am

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VOTE: keyleth

okay i think this is actually the most likely red flip so far
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:17 am

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In post 62, Taly wrote:
Dunn
have any impressions on people rn?
I think people are at various levels of understanding the setup right now.
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:18 am

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In post 61, Taly wrote: Also whats safe here? I don't get how what I said is protective on a game that just began. Much less effective to try and pocket Dunn, hypothetically.
eh i just think toriel's alignment isn't the most interesting topic of discussion and i thought starting out focusing on his slot was going to be more likely to come from scum
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:19 am

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I am also amused by how Taly is giving out town reads any time I'm squinting at someone's posting.

That said I am slightly more inclined to vote Taly at this point but we will see
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:19 am

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Meuh entrance does not look good to me.
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:19 am

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When did I give solid townreads? I'm getting a feel of the playerlist doll
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:19 am

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also i don't super get your intense focus on sorting / interacting with dunnstral off the bat over everyone else
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:20 am

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In post 66, Dannflor wrote:
In post 61, Taly wrote: Also whats safe here? I don't get how what I said is protective on a game that just began. Much less effective to try and pocket Dunn, hypothetically.
eh i just think toriel's alignment isn't the most interesting topic of discussion and i thought starting out focusing on his slot
was going to be more likely to come from scum
Can you a elaborate little bit more on this please? Did you like, plan on talking about this yourself if you were scum then got a town role card and didn't do that? Honestly I didn't really think that far ahead so I'm a tad curious.
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:20 am

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i thought it odd meuh didn't join in on the memeing but not the scummiest slot in the game
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:21 am

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In post 70, Dannflor wrote: also i don't super get your intense focus on sorting / interacting with dunnstral off the bat over everyone else
Who are you talking about? Because it's not me.
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:21 am

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In post 71, Keyleth wrote:
In post 66, Dannflor wrote:
In post 61, Taly wrote: Also whats safe here? I don't get how what I said is protective on a game that just began. Much less effective to try and pocket Dunn, hypothetically.
eh i just think toriel's alignment isn't the most interesting topic of discussion and i thought starting out focusing on his slot
was going to be more likely to come from scum
Can you a elaborate little bit more on this please? Did you like, plan on talking about this yourself if you were scum then got a town role card and didn't do that? Honestly I didn't really think that far ahead so I'm a tad curious.
no

i just looked at the setup and was like, hm toriel is getting flipped no matter what, i don't really need to sort that slot

whereas scum has a vested interest in either pocketing that slot or making it town read enough to mercy

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