667: Random C9 (Game Over!)

[Simenon]

Prodding KaHuJo and starrie

Vote Count

Moospiker (2)- Jdodge, starrie
Jdodge (2)- KaHuJo, KrisReizer
KaHuJo (1)- afatchic
afatchic (1)- charter
KrisReizer (1)- Moospiker

[afatchic]

KR- please check my gender sign. lol.

[charter]

So... KR is grossly reacting to everything, especially comments directed at himself.

[starrie]

At this moment, but I'll read it through soon again, I'll support Jdodge.

unvote Vote:KrisReizer

[Moospiker]

JDodge? Do you mean me?

[starrie]

Also, I just read the discussion fast, so I'll have to do my detailed version about it, but from what I've seen, is KR wrong with his arguments.

[afatchic]

At this moment, but I'll read it through soon again, I'll support Jdodge.

unvote Vote:KrisReizer

this is exactly what we had the half a page argument about, if you wanna agree that fine, as long as you explain yourself in the process, this just looks like buddying up.

[Simenon]

Avinyl replaces KaHuJo

[KrisReizer]

KR- please check my gender sign. lol.

Sorry! I just kind of assumed from the name... ^^; My profuse apologies.

So... KR is grossly reacting to everything, especially comments directed at himself.

That's called a defense. When someone attacks you, you're supposed to defend yourself. In a logic game, I do that by showing the flaws in the arguments that state that I am scum. I've given support for all my actions. Where's your support for this accusation?

Also, I just read the discussion fast, so I'll have to do my detailed version about it, but from what I've seen, is KR wrong with his arguments.

The problem with this statement is that it is only a statement. Where is the evidence? Where is the support for your argument? How can you justify a vote against me without saying any more than "is KR wrong with his arguments"?

Overall, I've yet t see a decent argument. All I see are opinions and baseless conjecture. Please, people. For the sake of the game, put some effort into this.

[afatchic]

kr don't worry about it, thats what i get for picking a name like this.

[Avinyl]

Hello Everyone!

First of all,

Unvote JDodge

.

That which stands out on my first read is
a) afatchics "random vote" FoS of JDodge, without good reason. I could understand a vote, but a FoS seems odd.
b) afatchics tendency to speak mostly generally, and not about the game specifically. See posts 25, 41 for example.
c) KrisReizers strange vote of JDodge while being ready to jump off if he would be lynched. I could understand if it was a first vote, but it was already halfways to lynch.

In conclusion,

Vote Krisreizer

, FoS afatchic.

[Moospiker]

Wow. Krisreizer is at L-1 already. Claim.

[afatchic]

does anyone else see a problem with my post 25 and 41? i think they fit thee situation good.

[charter]

So... KR is grossly reacting to everything, especially comments directed at himself.

That's called a defense. When someone attacks you, you're supposed to defend yourself. In a logic game, I do that by showing the flaws in the arguments that state that I am scum. I've given support for all my actions. Where's your support for this accusation?

Note really accusing you, just throwing my opinion out there.

does anyone else see a problem with my post 25 and 41? i think they fit thee situation good.

No. (also I just noticed that your name isn't a bunch of random letters, haha)

unvote, vote Moospiker

Page three is way too early to claim. Clearly fishing for power roles.

[charter]

Note really accusing you, just throwing my opinion out there.

Should be

Not

really accusing you, just throwing my opinion out there.

[Avinyl]

Unvote KrisReizer

. I didn't notice starrie voted after the votecount.

afatchic, I just felt that you were trying to appear to be posting, but not really helping. I am not sure about it.

[afatchic]

tell me how i could have posted different and still got the point across that i was trying to?

and i don't like moospiker asking for a claim right away. he needs to try to defend himself and everything first. a role claim should always be the last option if nothing else is going to work. besides he is no longer at L-1, but you still should make an attempt to defend yourself KR.

[KrisReizer]

Not really accusing you, just throwing my opinion out there.

That's fine, but you should justify it if you plan on throwing it around.

does anyone else see a problem with my post 25 and 41? i think they fit thee situation good.

25 was fine, but 41 didn't say much.

c) KrisReizers strange vote of JDodge while being ready to jump off if he would be lynched. I could understand if it was a first vote, but it was already halfways to lynch.

In conclusion,

Vote Krisreizer

Halfway to being lynched? Hardly. There was one vote before mine, and a random one at that. I wanted to turn up the pressure, so I did. I explained that I was ready to unvote if a bandwagon should form, indicating that I was pressure voting, not lynch voting. This was seen as an opening by most of the players and I've spent the rest of the game breaking down the arguments against me.

but you still should make an attempt to defend yourself KR.

I believe I have done that already. Take a look at any of the arguments that I am scum. No one has offered a shred of evidence. In case anyone thinks of responding to this post asking for specific instances, I want to state that I have them all quoted in my prior posts.

[afatchic]

Unvote KrisReizer

. I didn't notice starrie voted after the votecount.

afatchic, I just felt that you were trying to appear to be posting, but not really helping. I am not sure about it.

and i could understand that, except the fact that those are not my only posts.

i don't like this:

c) KrisReizers strange vote of JDodge while being ready to jump off if he would be lynched. I could understand if it was a first vote, but it was already halfways to lynch.

you don't like him voting JD and putting him at L-2 without good reasoning, and then you put him at L-1 with little reasoning of your own? however since you unvoted and said you didn't see that one vote i won't worry about pushing that, however you was still intending to do the same thing he did. so what justifies yours and makes his worth of a vote?

and you make a big deal that you could understand if it was the first vote, but it was already halfway to a lynch. the way you worded it makes it sound a lot worse, however it was only the second vote. i don't think putting someone at L-2 is going to be as big of a deal in this game as it would be in a game that has like 12 people.

also aviny you seem to be trying to hard to make a case against me. im sure you can pick and choose anyone in the game and find posts that don't fit right or something, so what makes mine right there so bad? i was just explaining my thoughts on the topic at the time, which i would consider helpful. so for right now my vote just went from random to serious. that was some good guessing on page 1 wasn't it!

however since we are only a few pages in i think we should slow it down and take more time to make our decision on D1. Lynching prematurely on D1 can only help the scum. but a longer D1 with plenty of discussion can only help the town.

[Avinyl]

KrisReizer: Rereading, it seems you have explained it sufficiently for me.

afatchic: The point was that he would vote and in the same post be ready to unvote, which felt wrong to me at the time.

Those posts that i picked out was those that stood out to me while i read the game. I didn't particulary search after scummy posts you had done.

On another unrelated note, I currently find Moospiker scummy, partly gut, partly because of the unsubstantiated demand for Krisreizer to claim. I think he currently has 2 votes already, so FoS Moospiker.

I also find starrie lurky. 3 posts, the last of which was three days ago, and next to no content.

Vote starrie

. JDodge hasn't posted in six days.

[JDodge]

Yet you don't have to give anything to support your claims?

I gave specific instances and an analysis. You've given sentences that disagree and do nothing else.

You've had your claims disproven by short, concise lines of logic, and you then continue to argue that they're true

despite

them being complete bullshit. And

you know it

.

I may have misread your statement. By 'stir the pot', I assumed you meant that you agreed about the alternative uses of voting. If this was not the case, you may say so, and I'll happily drop this particular line.

Not the case.

All right, given that I was correct about your meaning, you have contradicted yourself. Why did you change your opinion so suddenly? And, in case you want to ask me for evidence, go ahead and look at my last post to refresh your memory.

JESUS. FUCKING. CHRIST. YOU ASK IF IT WAS THE CASE OR IF YOU WERE MISTAKEN, I SAY YOU'RE MISTAKEN, YOU CONTINUE ON AS IF I SAID YOU WEREN'T.

Explain yourself. What could a townie lie about and benefit? Note, of course, that concealing a power role is not lying. It's keeping information secret. If the target of an attack is scum, than logic will support that conclusion. If the target is town, some amount of misdirection must be used to make the target appear scummy.

Of course! It's not

lying

, it's just

not being entirely truthful

. And did you just say you'd misdirect the town to make anyone you think scum appear scummy?

Don't take me out of context. I said that misdirection must be used if a non-scum player is to be lynched because they are not scum and will behave as such. Therefore, only scum benefit from lying.

So... how exactly does stopping a

non-scum lynch

benefit scum?

And don't swap the names on the quotes around like you did in your original post (I've since restored them), it's a really sneaky and underhanded way of distancing yourself from your own statements.

Evidence, please? Your statement is an opinion.

Opinions are important.

How? Opinions prove nothing; they are absolutely subjective. Evidence is what shows guilt.

The only evidence that exists is what exists in the mod's posts. Show me where in the mod's posts that it says "X is scum" or "Y is town" or what have you, and I'll give you that.

All your so-called "evidence" is just as subjective as an opinion.

This is the bullshit I was talking about. I said that you have to "stir the soup", which you can do

just as easily without voting

, then you attribute it to voting. You're dense.

Don't blame me just because you can't explain yourself properly. It's a basic tactic to use a vote to put pressure on someone, just look at any game on this site. I'll agree that there are methods of pressure that don't involve a vote, but seeing how much you squirmed as soon as I made mine, I'm happy with my choice.

I defended myself against bullshit claims. Don't blame me for you being a blithering nitwit.

Thing is, I don't like the way that you jumped on me for agreeing with JDodge. If I want to state my opinion, I'll agree, disagree, or take a totally different side. I wasn't trying to appear to be posting content. I was stating my opinion, which happened to be what JDodge said.

That's fine, but you didn't add anything to the discussion, which makes you appear scummy. Townies benefit from discussion, scum do not. That's why those who don't say much look like scum.

Scum can benefit just as much from discussion. It's kind of hard to steer the town when you aren't saying anything. Are you seriously new enough that you think everything is

that

black and white?

In conclusion, the scum are KR and Moospiker, who is making a really poor attempt at a bus.

[Moospiker]

In conclusion, the scum are KR and Moospiker, who is making a really poor attempt at a bus.

Baseless accusation. You attack KR all through this post, and then jump to the conclusion I am bussing KR? This pisses me off.

Unvote

Vote: JDodge

[afatchic]

In conclusion, the scum are KR and Moospiker, who is making a really poor attempt at a bus.

Baseless accusation. You attack KR all through this post, and then jump to the conclusion I am bussing KR? This pisses me off.

Unvote

Vote: JDodge

OMGUS? doesn't help your case much.

[Moospiker]

Nope, not OMGUS. I believe JDodge is scum.

[charter]

Yes, quite sure Moospiker is scum.