Micro 553: ETL's Double Day Unlimited (Game Over)

[Antihero]

let's see... you've:

>used scummy as shit, manipulative ate
>parked your vote on a townie
>changed your reads to conveniently head off threats

nice try scumlord, but you die today

[EspeciallyTheLies]

OFFICIAL VOTECOUNT 2.1.01

ConManMick

(1): RadiantCowbells

RadiantCowbells

(1): Antihero

Antihero

(0):

Papa Zito

(0):

Rob13

(0):

WickedestJr

(0):

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch, and 3 to no lynch.

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Deadline:

December 24, 2015 at 8:07 am EST, or in (expired on 2015-12-24 08:07:56).

Mod notes:

None for now.

[Papa Zito]

VOTE: CMM

That NK doesn't change this at all.

let's see... you've:
>changed your reads to conveniently head off threats

what's this one?

[Rob14]

I've been sick this week, and I haven't read anything since day start. I'll get to it all tomorrow, probably, provided I'm feeling better.

Between sickness and a trip this weekend, I'll be:

V/LA until Sunday

I'll still try to produce something tomorrow, like I said, though.

[Rob14]

Turns out there isn't much to read.

RC and Zito, both of you need to explain in detail your read on Con. I'm not getting it

at all

, and neither of you bothered to explain how your thinking goes beyond the "he voted all the people" logic of early day 1.

VOTE: RC, for the stuff I mentioned in my catch-up yesterday mostly, plus his awful read/lack of reasoning on Con. Zito still doesn't sit right with me as well. I'm going {RC, Zito} as scum team.

[Wickedestjr]

Well I went into the night thinking that TTH was scum.

I need to think about the last two flips...

[ConManMick]

I don't understand that NK at all. I've an exam in just over an hour, I'll be able to give some decent posts after that. I understand the nature of my actions at the end of D1 don't sit well with some of ye, so I guess I'll try to explain those.

[Antihero]

what's this one?

magically appearing scumreads on me+conman after we start scumread/vote him.

That NK doesn't change this at all.

????????

what does the nk change for you?

[Papa Zito]

what's this one?

magically appearing scumreads on me+conman after we start scumread/vote him.

Can you show these?

That NK doesn't change this at all.

????????

what does the nk change for you?

Not much. I went back through TTH's iso and the NK still points to Conman. (inb4 raging against NK analysis; idc those decisions aren't made at random)

[Antihero]

Can you show these?

...uh... nothing that's not in the thread already
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p7450121

Not much. I went back through TTH's iso and the NK still points to Conman. (inb4 raging against NK analysis; idc those decisions aren't made at random)

conman was a pretty popular wagon

if tth was killed for her reads, i actually think that points a lot more towards rob

[Papa Zito]

It points to Rob as well, who I also suspect because of that slot's prior shenanigans. I thought you were asking in relation to the vote tho.

No I mean, can you show me RC quotes in which the magical appearing scumreads happened?

[Rob14]

Zito, explain how it points to me when TTH was town reading me. I don't know what anti's reasons are, but I 100% think you piled on as one more way to fake your reads. You are NOT being genuine.

[Rob14]

1. My CMM vote was unexplained, not terrible.

Skimming through Zito's ISO, I think the above quote highlights his entire play so far. He hasn't explained anything. He's shown no evidence of developing reads. He's been asking lots of questions, even some very good questions, but he doesn't do anything with the answers. He's not trying to use any information he gathers to push lynches. He's not engaging in a dialogue.

It reads like fake scum-hunting to me. Decent scum knows to ask questions and be engaged, but decent town would do that

and then use the information they gain to find scum

. I'm not seeing that at all in his ISO.

[Rob14]

VOTE: Zito

I've rapidly talked myself into this. Zito's flown under the radar so far because he's blatantly trying to do so. That's far more likely to be scum than town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Let's make a deal.

I'm positive that the scumteam is Anti/CMM right now.

How about we lynch in the 3 of us, and if you lynch me then you have to lynch one of them after.

Does that sound fair?

[Wickedestjr]

3. I always :/ at meta. I give meta no value. Feel free to meta me on this topic. :3

Ok well why don't you give it any value? If you are voting somebody for a particular player trait, then wouldn't you want to know if it's something that they usually do as town or as both alignments. Wouldn't that render your reasoning invalid?


You have been voting for CMM all game. Yet you haven't given any reasoning. I just skimmed your iso and noticed you haven't spoken to CMM once this entire game. Why aren't you trying to get explanations from him? Why aren't you asking him any questions?


Your CMM vote feels lazy/opportunistic to me.

[Wickedestjr]

Let's make a deal.

I'm positive that the scumteam is Anti/CMM right now.

How about we lynch in the 3 of us, and if you lynch me then you have to lynch one of them after.

Does that sound fair?

I don't like this.

Why don't you explain your scum reads before giving up on persuading us?

Your reads have changed so much throughout the game that I have no reason to trust your confidence here. The word 'positive' in particular doesn't mean anything to me because you expressed similar confidence that I was scum earlier on.

[Rob14]

@RC - If I say yes, can I lynch you and then not follow through with the rest? I'd be up with that.

[Rob14]

And thank god someone else is seeing through Zito's bullshit.

[Rob14]

Although if you read the fine print on your "Free town points for pressure on Zito" coupon, you'll see that it requires you to actually place a vote.

[Wickedestjr]

Although if you read the fine print on your "Free town points for pressure on Zito" coupon, you'll see that it requires you to actually place a vote.

Ah I missed that.

I might vote for Zito again... Still thinking it over.

[Wickedestjr]

I'm inclined to think that Antihero is town right now.

Not only do I trust TTH's read on him, but I have trouble seeing Anti-scum kill her after she gave that read. The only way that I could see Anti-scum killing TTH is if Rob was his partner. Rob is really the only player that was getting less attention than TTH. However, I also doubt that it's Anti/Rob because of their predecessors interactions with each other. In particular: I really think that Kublai Khan's vote for Lhix wasn't a bus.

I also have a town read on Rob for both his play and his predecessor's reaction to my vote.

So I will say, pretty confidently, that scum are in {ConManMick, Papa Zito, RadiantCowbells}.

I'm actually going to

Vote: RadiantCowbells

(L-1)

[Rob14]

Just to make sure I understand, that list is mostly by PoE, right? If not, I'd like your rationale for Con. Been waiting on that from literally anyone for a while now. >.>

[Wickedestjr]

Yes, that list is POE. It's the way I usually scum hunt.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

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