Mini 2228: Isekai uPick - Endgame

[jjh927]

VC4.1

Player	Votes	Voters
ssbm_Kyouko	2	Cabd, GuyInFreezer
Cabd	1	ssbm_Kyouko
Not Voting	---	Lady Lambdadelta

With 4 alive it takes 3 to eliminate.

Hey it's that isekai with slimes in it

The day will end some random time after (expired on 2021-10-18 00:15:00), or when an elimination is achieved.

[GuyInFreezer]

Actually here’s the real kicker.
Would scum-Cabd mis-flavor-read scum-Marci?

As in, would he really plan that in that certain way as scum just to get disproven during massclaim?

[GuyInFreezer]

I also thought about "would Kyouko turbo-bus both scumteam" but then I guess if Kyouko was in the hood with Kate and Kate lockscum'd Gamma I guess she had no choice?

[GuyInFreezer]

I still plan to read things tomorrow.
But that’s the thought I have atm after reconsidering impactful moves from both sides unbiased.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh yeah I don’t think “Dunn needs to be in dead PT for games” is not it.
Nothing in the flip suggests that and if I was scum Dunn would be the last choice to throw in the dead PT given that… he was widely townread.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh yeah I don’t think “Dunn needs to be in dead PT for games” is not it.
Nothing in the flip suggests that and if I was scum Dunn would be the last choice to throw in the dead PT given that… he was widely townread.

I don’t think … is it*
Double negative op

[GuyInFreezer]

So this is a plus for kyouko.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I also thought about "would Kyouko turbo-bus both scumteam" but then I guess if Kyouko was in the hood with Kate and Kate lockscum'd Gamma I guess she had no choice?

I didn't join the hood until after Gamma was eliminated. D2 had like 3 eliminations, the blind one, the normal one, and the governor one, and I tracked Kate on N2. Her reflexive neighbor kicked in and I joined the hood the morning of D3. There was also some push for no elimination during the governor vote, and I argued against that and lead Luke toward hammering Gamma rather than "playing it safe" with no elim. I outlined that attempting to elim scum was just strictly better than no elim because scum was definitely choosing amongst the same pool we were considering, which was Cabd, Gamma, and No Elim. There was no advantage to be gained by going elsewhere, and No elim has the downside of not eliminating scum if scum guessed incorrectly. Best expected value was to eliminate Gamma or Cabd, as scum was equally likely to choose one of them as no elim, but if they get it wrong in that case we lim scum. So no elim was just strictly the worst option for town, and I convinced Luke of that, leading to Gamma's elim.

Would I turbo-bus both scumteam? No, never. Would I have turbo-bussed them both if someone

else

had tracked Dunn to the kill, and Gamma tried to save Dunn like he did on D2? Yes, probably. But that is not what happened - I tracked Dunn because he seemed like he would be a prime target to die on a later night after Cabd or Kate, and I wanted to prep to Watch him. This is in line with my D1 play, and makes sense when you consider the consensus reads on Dunn, Cabd, and Kate, and their perceived strength as players. I thought it was likely that Cabd or Kate would die on N1, so I went for the next-best choice, which, imo, was Dunnstral, and I happened to get lucky and catch him killing.

Could go back to D1 and look at interactions with LLD. Clearly scum left her alive in order to use her for kills, so players that supported LLD's toogeloo push are prime suspects (Cabd, who was sheeped by

Wheme

)

[Cabd]

Hey it's that isekai with slimes in i

It wasn't even a bad one. It just didn't stand out at all.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i'm so so sad

[Cabd]

Hi so so sad, I'm dad.

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

[Cabd]

Hopefully that gave you a sad chuckle and not just a sad sigh.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

As so, not with a bang, but with a whimper...

Why doesn't scum-me just murder you instead?

It's not like LLD was opposed to thinking it was Kate here.

Lexi, does your role in any way state limitations on the mafia team using you? I'm betting it doesn't!

The "downside" is already claimed, if the kill fails, lexi gets the day kill.

This seems TMI fwiw.

I lied about my claim. I tracked (not watched) Kate last night because I felt she would be my only blind spot and that if it wasnt her it was clearly Cabd. I implied to her I'd be Watching her, just in case LLD's brainwash was non-consecutive like Dunn's.

I think this demonstrates that I am actually uninformed because Cabd is more aware of how your role works than you had let on. I didnt realize the limiter on your role was "if you're used 3 times you unlock the vig", but Cabd seems to be aware that you are ungated. He never once denies that he killed Kate, only argues that you killed Kate (via brainwash of course) because he knows that's what happened.

I, on the other hand, tried my best to sus out how your role might work with the limited information I had (Dunn's flipped role) and gambited with that. It hasn't paid off so I'm outing now while there are still a few days to discuss before the 1 week hits and the random deadline begins. I also mechanically caught (consensus townread) scum N1, and Cabd argued in defense of mechanically caught scum on D2. I think D2 alone should speak to our alignments.

If you have any questions I'll be around.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I also told the hood that I was lying about my claim so as not to throw off the dead thread, but I suspect Kate no longer can read that thread. Not sure.

[GuyInFreezer]

I didnt realize the limiter on your role was "if you're used 3 times you unlock the vig", but Cabd seems to be aware that you are ungated. He never once denies that he killed Kate, only argues that you killed Kate (via brainwash of course) because he knows that's what happened.

If Cabd is acting like he is aware of LLD's role being ungated and LLD's role is actually gated, wouldn't that actually suggest the opposite?

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm struggling to think why scum-Cabd would kill Kate over Kyouko and decide to randomly hammertest and clear LLD.

[GuyInFreezer]

UNVOTE:

For nice 1-vote parity jic.

[Cabd]

I'm struggling to think why scum-Cabd would kill Kate over Kyouko and decide to randomly hammertest and clear LLD.

It's because the only answer to this Kyouko has is "lol wifom"

It's why today's posting is getting saltier and saltier, as the mech-cleared waltz-win disappears.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm going to assume that each sided acted as reasonably as possible to achieve win for either alignments and do some weighing there.

[GuyInFreezer]

LLD can you paraphrase that 10 paragraph PM you received as best as possible?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I didnt realize the limiter on your role was "if you're used 3 times you unlock the vig", but Cabd seems to be aware that you are ungated. He never once denies that he killed Kate, only argues that you killed Kate (via brainwash of course) because he knows that's what happened.

If Cabd is acting like he is aware of LLD's role being ungated and LLD's role is actually gated, wouldn't that actually suggest the opposite?

I think I get what you're saying but we're talking about different gates. Cabd implies he is aware that LLD's brainwash is NOT non-consecutive by saying "I bet it doesn't" - he has no way of knowing this if he is uninformed.

[Cabd]

So as I pray, unlimited prod dodge works.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The day begins!




VC4.0

Player	Votes	Voters
Not Voting	---	ssbm_Kyouko, Cabd, Lady Lambdadelta, GuyInFreezer

With 4 alive it takes 3 to eliminate.

I consider this one of the worst isekais ever made.

The day will end some random time after (expired on 2021-10-18 00:15:00), or when an elimination is achieved.

This timer is set for 24 hours prior to the 1 week mark where the invisible deadline kicks in
(expired on 2021-10-17 00:15:00)

Bumping this timer. This is set for 1 day before the random deadline

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ughhh I am so choice para'd.

Cabd is scummy but Kyouko feels like a solution.

If I lose to Cabd after killing Kyouko I hard threw.

If ... Ahhh god

[GuyInFreezer]

Spoiler: for LLD only

Hammering Cabd

Pro:
- Safe choice
- If we’re wrong we get to blame the others

Con:
- if we’re wrong Cabd won’t leave us alone for few weeks

Hammering Kyouko

Pro:
- if we’re right we get to be a hero
- We get to dunk on fery

Con:
- if we’re wrong we basically threw
- if we’re wrong we get dunked on by multiple people