Micro 974: The Last of the Red-Horned Dung Beetles (Borked)

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Town

- Smoke and Mirrors

Light Townread

- Herta
- JohnnyFarrar (I dont sense much scum agenda behind their posting)

Null

- A Simple Plan (Need more content)
- bugspray
- Tayl0r Swift (Need to interact with them more)

Light Scumread

- Taly (I just don't get good vibes from their posting, maybe cus it's so weird. I also don't support their healing decision just because Bunno claimed Gardener)

Scum

- Bunno

As Taly already claimed it was me and now Johnny who have commented specifically on the gardener claim not Taly.

How is Herta your 2nd strongest tr after us? What have they done to remotely warrant that read?

~M

[Bunno]

Who does everyone think we should heal.

^ His top SR is getting the bug but he's not attempting to heal his top TR, but rather asking to the majority what they should do

I feel Norwegian has no agency of his own in the game, he's only trying to surf the waves generated by us, but he's not trying to change anything by himself even though his reads should pressure him to.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

His top town read S&M is healing me, but in no moment he tried to talk to them or suggest healing them. Almost as if he's not confident he can get the bug himself therefore it doesn't matter who receives it, even if currently it looks like his top scum read will get it.

There's probably no other objectively scummier behavior than what Norwe has done so far?

Yeah, that is definitely weird, you would think he’d be pushing for us to get it.

~M

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ummm

[JohnnyFarrar]

Um?

[Bunno]

Norwe if you really think I'm scum why are you letting me run the show so easily?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Norwee are you taking notes there buddy? this is how it's done.

Well yeah, they are the one that inspired me to make those sort of memes in the first place.

That was “Smoke” btw @Pooky, you need to sign.

@Tayl0r didn’t you see my questions?

~Mirrors

nope, skipped several pages. what were your questions

[Tayl0r Swift]

@bugs, @Norwee, @Herta, @Tayl0r, @A Simple Plan, can we get some current reads from all of you?

Thanks.

Can’f find meta on Herta but thinking my hydra partner could possibly be right?

Town!bugs is not usually this certain and he’s misrepping here similar to YoM2 and Norwee usually does a lot more as town than what we’re seeing from him here.

~M

@Tayl0r

~M

townish on smoke and mirrors
town on johnny
weak town lean on taly
herta is strongest scumread
S_S has pinged me with a few posts. can provide examples if needed, but i think you all will know which ones.
unsure on norwee. but norwee is always scum, right?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Unless you want to claim my plan is worse than doing things randomly, of course, then you are free to make yourself look ridiculous.

IN WHAT WORLD ARE VOTES CAST RANDOMLY OUTSIDE RVS. you look ridiculous for comparing random actions to this plan. this plan is dumb. not lunching is dumb. not agreeing to heal a consensus townread is dumb.

and for the record a mass claim is dumb.

[Tayl0r Swift]

we have probably 90% plus odds of healing a townie. its pretty rare for the top consensus townread to be scum. its pretty common for town to try and play the game purely mechanically and not play mafia and then fuck themselves and lose.

[Nancy Drew 39]

-Did Tayl0r ever explain the S&M vote from page two? I get E-1 isn't ideal on page two, but what's the reasoning to not just unvote?

Another thing, I’d like Tayl0r to address.

~M

@Tayl0r, here is one and the other one you just answered.

I like that we’re mindmelding on Herta.

That last post from Herta read like he really doesn’t care if my missing SS’ post was NAI or not and it’s also pretty damned obvious I didn’t misconstrue bugs’ post.

@Norwee, what is your response to what Bunno is saying? If he is your strongest scumread then why aren’t you doing anything to stop him from getting the beetle?

If he were my #1 sr, you better believe that’s what I’d be doing. So, please explain that + why your tr on Herta is so high?

~M

[Smoke and Mirrors]

-Did Tayl0r ever explain the S&M vote from page two? I get E-1 isn't ideal on page two, but what's the reasoning to not just unvote?

Another thing, I’d like Tayl0r to address.

~M

@Tayl0r, here is one and the other one you just answered.

I like that we’re mindmelding on Herta.

That last post from Herta read like he really doesn’t care if my missing SS’ post was NAI or not and it’s also pretty damned obvious I didn’t misconstrue bugs’ post.

@Norwee, what is your response to what Bunno is saying? If he is your strongest scumread then why aren’t you doing anything to stop him from getting the beetle?

If he were my #1 sr, you better believe that’s what I’d be doing. So, please explain that + why your tr on Herta is so high?

~M

[Smoke and Mirrors]

-Did Tayl0r ever explain the S&M vote from page two? I get E-1 isn't ideal on page two, but what's the reasoning to not just unvote?

Another thing, I’d like Tayl0r to address.

~M

@Tayl0r, here is one and the other one you just answered.

I like that we’re mindmelding on Herta.

That last post from Herta read like he really doesn’t care if my missing SS’ post was NAI or not and it’s also pretty damned obvious I didn’t misconstrue bugs’ post.

@Norwee, what is your response to what Bunno is saying? If he is your strongest scumread then why aren’t you doing anything to stop him from getting the beetle?

If he were my #1 sr, you better believe that’s what I’d be doing. So, please explain that + why your tr on Herta is so high?

~M

-Did Tayl0r ever explain the S&M vote from page two? I get E-1 isn't ideal on page two, but what's the reasoning to not just unvote?

Another thing, I’d like Tayl0r to address.

~M

@Tayl0r, here is one and the other one you just answered.

I like that we’re mindmelding on Herta.

That last post from Herta read like he really doesn’t care if my missing SS’ post was NAI or not and it’s also pretty damned obvious I didn’t misconstrue bugs’ post.

@Norwee, what is your response to what Bunno is saying? If he is your strongest scumread then why aren’t you doing anything to stop him from getting the beetle?

If he were my #1 sr, you better believe that’s what I’d be doing. So, please explain that + why your tr on Herta is so high?

~M

Oops sorry about that.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

@bugs, @Norwee, @Herta, @Tayl0r, @A Simple Plan, can we get some current reads from all of you?

Thanks.

Can’f find meta on Herta but thinking my hydra partner could possibly be right?

Town!bugs is not usually this certain and he’s misrepping here similar to YoM2 and Norwee usually does a lot more as town than what we’re seeing from him here.

~M

@Tayl0r

~M

townish on smoke and mirrors
town on johnny
weak town lean on taly
herta is strongest scumread

S_S has pinged me with a few posts. can provide examples if needed, but i think you all will know which ones

.
unsure on norwee. but norwee is always scum, right?

Wrt to the bolded, is that a typo or are you just being facetious?

[Tayl0r Swift]

-Did Tayl0r ever explain the S&M vote from page two? I get E-1 isn't ideal on page two, but what's the reasoning to not just unvote?

Another thing, I’d like Tayl0r to address.

~M

@Tayl0r, here is one and the other one you just answered.

I like that we’re mindmelding on Herta.

That last post from Herta read like he really doesn’t care if my missing SS’ post was NAI or not and it’s also pretty damned obvious I didn’t misconstrue bugs’ post.

@Norwee, what is your response to what Bunno is saying? If he is your strongest scumread then why aren’t you doing anything to stop him from getting the beetle?

If he were my #1 sr, you better believe that’s what I’d be doing. So, please explain that + why your tr on Herta is so high?

~M

a page 2 vote sounds like RVS. did i say it wasnt?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Wrt to the bolded, is that a typo or are you just being facetious?

im always dead serious. do you not find SS to be scummy?

[Bunno]

Believe me, town!Taylor is capable of RVS voting in the first pages and never removing the vote up to day 1 end.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

-Did Tayl0r ever explain the S&M vote from page two? I get E-1 isn't ideal on page two, but what's the reasoning to not just unvote?

Another thing, I’d like Tayl0r to address.

~M

@Tayl0r, here is one and the other one you just answered.

I like that we’re mindmelding on Herta.

That last post from Herta read like he really doesn’t care if my missing SS’ post was NAI or not and it’s also pretty damned obvious I didn’t misconstrue bugs’ post.

@Norwee, what is your response to what Bunno is saying? If he is your strongest scumread then why aren’t you doing anything to stop him from getting the beetle?

If he were my #1 sr, you better believe that’s what I’d be doing. So, please explain that + why your tr on Herta is so high?

~M

a page 2 vote sounds like RVS. did i say it wasnt?

No, so fair answer.

~M

[Bunno]

I'm waiting for Norwe's to reply me but it seems he is gonna ignore me

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Wrt to the bolded, is that a typo or are you just being facetious?

im always dead serious. do you not find SS to be scummy?

Well, he’s the mod so . . .

[Tayl0r Swift]

Wrt to the bolded, is that a typo or are you just being facetious?

im always dead serious. do you not find SS to be scummy?

Well, he’s the mod so . . .

well thats what he wants us to think. perfect fake-claim for scum, innit?

[Taly]

Norwe

, I'm not letting up just because you're blowing me off the same way

Bugs

did.

Herta

and

SM

are two players that have consistently battled this game and your reads imply they are TvT, what posts have led to this conclusion?

______________________________________________

Viz

, my biggest grievance with your plan is that scum already have role information on

AT LEAST

1 town slot, potentially 3 max.

D1-N1

Flushing the

Sentry

steal N1 weakens

Gardener

investigation, and gives scum a distinctly easy route for fakeclaiming. Plus

Surgeon's

doing nothing will confirm that townies will be NKed.

D2-N2

Surgeons

utility involving

Dr. Zenkava

requires some system of multi-night coordination, N2 alone it not helpful. This will weak

Surgeons

, resulting in no operation of Dr. Zenkava or towny save from NK. This also doesn't take into account

Sentries'

other

one-shot

abilities.

D3-N3

With all the townies dying and only one potential mafia death it doesn't look like the remaining scum is incentivized to steal the beetle anyway...

D4-N4

My understanding is the

Surgeons

have no reloading? They can just do it nightly?

[Herta]

pedit
i didnt read any taly posts and skimmed most of yours because a lot of them just were too thick with content i didn't find useful

translation:

You aren't reading the game, neither my posts, but think I'm scum.

I don't use this often, I find it not cool, but you're genuinely dumb or obvious scum.

translation:
You've seen through all of the useless filler posts I've made as scum and know that I'm scum.

I'm really desperate to ruin your credibility but I'm resorting to ad hominem arguments also lmao ur scum

pedit: your tldr needs a tldr

Bugs was writing their translation from a scum!bunno POV. It's easy to see. Just put quotes around the translation part written by Bugs:

"You've seen through all of the useless filler posts I've made as scum and know that I'm scum.

I'm really desperate to ruin your credibility but I'm resorting to ad hominem arguments also lmao ur scum"

Further evidence: Who is the one who resorted to ad hominem? Bunno. Bugs had no reason to put anything about ad hominem in there -- Bugs never used ad hominem.

Even further evidence: The common tactic of mirroring, in this case using "translation" followed by two lines, both ending with the word "scum." The first line is an accusatory statement, and the second is personalized. It's quite poetic really.

The "and" "or" means nothing.

Town!Bunno should have pointed this out because I know very little escapes Bunno.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Believe me, town!Taylor is capable of RVS voting in the first pages and never removing the vote up to day 1 end.

I like her take anyway so not worried.

I'm waiting for Norwe's to reply me but it seems he is gonna ignore me

Yeah, not liking that at all but he’s definitely playing suboptimally irrespective of alignment. Town!him should definitely be opposing you getting the bug in any case and he doesn’t seem to want us (his top tr) to have it either, yet he also isn’t backing Viz’ plan either, so he is expressing absolutely no preference wrt to the HEAL.

~M

[Herta]

I'm getting bad vibes from Bunno on this Norwee push too.