Open 567 - Pick Your POWERRRR!!! - Abandoned

[Salamence20]

I can vouch by saying ZZZX is kinda V/LA right now

[Regfan]

I still stand by this. Fuck, regardless of ZZZX's alignment, Im still scum. IM BEING SET FOR A LYNCH AFTER MY VIG SHOT IS DIRECTED. WHAT. THE. FUCK.

Except you're not, I think you're town and several others do as well. Games about the only person adamant that you're scum and his one vote isn't going to push a lynch on you so stop being silly. Not to mention the aim of this is to lynch scum, not to try and dodge future suspicion so please revote ZZZX.

Also that's a really weird lie for someone to tell you.

[TobyLoby]

Can a vig shot be redirected back onto the shooter? need 2 know for friend. tnks.

[Salamence20]

Can a vig shot be redirected back onto the shooter? need 2 know for friend. tnks.

Yes it can. Why you would do that though. Is dumb.

[TobyLoby]

A townie coming in and picking rolecop is so incredibly pointless. Yay I am second! Cool! Hmm, let me get rolecop so I can investigate all the cool roles I passed up over night. Anatole doesn't strike me as the type of person to do this. I think he is more competent than that.

[Regfan]

This game is seriously stalling, two more votes on ZZZX please.

[Aneninen]

@Sala! 560, 565 and especially 567 were terrible! Regardless of your alignment I don't see the point of it. Why do you think that ZZZX is town? Besides, 574: why do you think that your Vig shot will be redirected? It's virtually impossible that Hephaestus (or Flubber or anyone in the later part of the draft) has the Redirector role.

@Hephaestus, 561 was terrible. Did you just pop in so as to post a bunch of question marks without saying anything about the ZZZX wagon or anything else? I think you're the perfect one for the Vig shot.


In general, we all

must

assume that the others are performing a good gameplay if we want to win. It

is

possible that ZZZX's predecessor picked up a useless role as scum but we shouldn't base our game on this. It's way more likely that ZZZX is scum.

[ZZZX]

Yes I was vla mostly

and dont you think the speed of my wagon and how people juist blindly accepted it a plain claim that I am a town wagon?

wouldnt my scum buddies for exmaple defend me indirectly/? 0r tell me not to claim in the scum PT/QT for example?

Sadly noone of that happened because there are No scum buddies as I am town.


But I am being wagoned blindly. gosh

[Regfan]

Two more votes needed on ZZZX still, sooner is better than later.

and dont you think the speed of my wagon and how people juist blindly accepted it a plain claim that I am a town wagon? wouldnt my scum buddies for exmaple defend me indirectly/? 0r tell me not to claim in the scum PT/QT for example? Sadly noone of that happened because there are No scum buddies as I am town.

No ones defending you because there is no defence for you, you got caught in a position where you're confirmed to have made a move that's very scum motivated and anyone that tries to argue otherwise would be linking themselves towards you after you get lynched (Which you will) meaning your partners are best of bussing you or what I think is more likely is that your partners are just lurking and absent.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I really haven't liked this wagon from the start. Why would he claim a pro scum role bothers me.

[Regfan]

I really haven't liked this wagon from the start. Why would he claim a pro scum role bothers me.

Not like he had a choice, was confirmed that either you or him had it and going up against someone trying to claim their role isn't a plausible scum strategy so his only choices were claim backup or rolecop neither making sense to take as town #2 spot, think he thought he'd be town read claiming the rolecop element of it.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I really haven't liked this wagon from the start. Why would he claim a pro scum role bothers me.

Not like he had a choice, was confirmed that either you or him had it and going up against someone trying to claim their role isn't a plausible scum strategy so his only choices were claim backup or rolecop neither making sense to take as town #2 spot, think he thought he'd be town read claiming the rolecop element of it.

I suppose but like I said Im not a major fan of this wagon just something feels off about it. But then again it is only D1 so there we go.

[TobyLoby]

I've thought about it and I can see a few possibilities, such as wanting to play honestly as Regfan described. Claiming back-up when you aren't might also put you in a tricky position where you're pressured to prove your new given role down the line.

I'm more paranoid of certain individuals not jumping on the wagon as it looks good to not be on it due to these circumstances if ZZZX flips town. I realize that is neglecting factors such as scum possibly already being on it already, or them just not being around.

[TobyLoby]

ZZZX is still free to do and say things. I've been kinda waiting for him to give reads or actually give a go at scum hunting.

[Regfan]

I'm more paranoid of certain individuals not jumping on the wagon as it looks good to not be on it due to these circumstances if ZZZX flips town.

I realize that is neglecting factors such as scum possibly already being on it already, or them just not being around.

I'm not in the slightest feeling the underlined? All the off-wagoners are either flat out not here or town reads of mine.

People off wagon are Elmo, Heph, Hershey, Aafter, Arma, Sai and now Sala. I have Elmo, Hersh (Has stated intention to vote ZZZX) and Sala as town and Aafter/Arma/Saki are clearly not here/caught up, the only real one that fits the profile is Heph and he's only had the pop in post.

[TobyLoby]

I'm more paranoid of certain individuals not jumping on the wagon as it looks good to not be on it due to these circumstances if ZZZX flips town.

I realize that is neglecting factors such as scum possibly already being on it already, or them just not being around.

[TobyLoby]

This would be a whole lot better if we weren't just sitting around doing nothing. It's not like we're sitting here discussing viable alternative lynches here.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

This would be a whole lot better if we weren't just sitting around doing nothing. It's not like we're sitting here discussing viable alternative lynches here.

Well I can name on alt lynch....And no my votes not there. Im off for a few days so im going geocaching and going to read the last few pages and such. And think about whats transpired so far.

[gameplay506]

Not reading anything. Hammer ZZZX

[Flubbernugget]

"and I know this is a stupid question"

And it was a stupid question. So forget it.

[Flubbernugget]

That first post was in reference to one that had half a sentence containing a stupid question that my phone said it posted but actually didn't. Ugh.

[Flubbernugget]

I really haven't liked this wagon from the start. Why would he claim a pro scum role bothers me.

He wouldn't, isn't that the point?

What do you guys think about 2 scum buddies being right next to each other on the draft pick?

[TobyLoby]

Do you mean where they are placed on the draft or the numbers they picked? Both have occurred before.

[Aneninen]

ZZZX, as Regfan's explained it in 583 and 585, noone is defending you because it's much more probable that you're scum than your predecessor applied for a useless role before. Sorry to say, lynching you is the best possible townplay now.

However, I've found something else.

and dont you think the speed of my wagon and how people juist blindly accepted it a plain claim that I am a town wagon?

wouldnt my scum buddies for exmaple defend me indirectly/?

Well I can name on alt lynch....And no my votes not there.

Im off for a few days so im going geocaching and going to read the last few pages and such. And think about whats transpired so far.

Check out the underlined parts.
Add Elmo's recent posts: 584, 586, plus his attitude when we were asking him about being a Rolecop/Backup: from 453 to 458. Also, his previous posts about not knowing how many scums in the setup are.

Assuming we're seeing a scum flip here, my only question is why scum would take rolecop as possibly their first role. It's useful, but as one of their first picks? I don't see it if all their partners are far away or they sucked it up on the draft list. Makes me think there is scum around that draft number to better legitimize it.

I think we've found what we've been searching for. If ZZZX flips scum, Elmo may be one of his partners.
(But right now, we must lynch ZZZX.)

[hephaestus]

I am a rolecop

How is this guy still alive?

VOTE: ZZZX