Mini 1722: Warcraft III - Reign of MAFIA (DOOM HAS COME)

[Call of the Wild]

Let me help you out here Titus. What we need to look at is people Shiro was pushing hard. Shiro knew who the scum were and knew he can't win if they die. So he will want them alive. He will not push them. So here's what I found in Shiro's ISO regarding pushes.

Actually I think ABR slipped l think He meant to say character(possible cause scourge) but accidentally said role. It makes no sense to say the one role he didn't want when roles are closed and you can't anticipate anything.

VOTE:ABR

Makes ABR less likely to be scum. I wasn't scumreading him anyway.

I like where I am voting
Bard came in made one post that appeases both sides(Showed concern over me and voted vezokpiraka) and left.
Vezokpiraka I am so-so part of me thinks he read that post as 3p cause he is scum and concerned about it cause town should even be thinking about 3p so Early. But yea not certain
Fa is town I think so is neather.
Fa reaction was really town.
Neather I doubt scum would rp like that.
Null on the rest, maaaaybe a small town lean on fire

These reads should tell us something about who may be scum and should be analyzed.

Can we all agree that Gale is really scummy and should take priority over 3ps ?

Ok my resolve to lynch him just got raised to 11
Classic new player replacing at the sign of early pressure

Ok my resolve to lynch him just got raised to 11
Classic new player replacing at the sign of early pressure

You want to lynch before we hear from the replacement....
I have not seen this mythical new player replaces when pressured but have seen this argument eluded to many times.

I am positive he is scum yes. I have seen it happen more than once. Bot as town (and get angry at town not listening) and as scum watching my partner do it.

Can we actually lynch scum in gale (now performer)

Performer might very well act town. Will that really change the fact that the slot is scum?
^
The words of singersigner in frog mafia about my partner who pretty much was like gale and his replacement did good at looking town

Hey I was calling Gale scum for his lurkish oh I don't udnerstand the game behaviours way before Fire. The fact he replaced out when the pressure hit him just sealed it for me.

Sorry FB but I am always for a lynch than a no lynch day 1.
You should have just not said about the visiting and let an idiot explode.

You know wagon on scum performer was there and shining
I am just gonna note that when performer wagon started really taking off and people were ok with fire living, suddenly "oh my let's lynch FB"
Yea fb wagon has most scum on it, if not all >.>
P.edit Oh come on performer was like an almost sure hit Silver.

This means Performer is almost certainly town.

~SW

[vezokpiraka]

I'm the vig guys.

This is for not lynchig all third parties.

[FA_Q2]

Derp 398 is Gale. Meant to grab a different quote for Shaded, but my point is the same.

Yes but your point is valid on performers slot - it really is not on mine or vez.

He town read me and nulled vez. I think we can pretty much strike performer a a likely suspect for now and ABR less so. Those pushes are not something I would expect as a bus move (particularly as a traitor). What I am less sure of is who his partners actually were.

[FA_Q2]

I'm the vig guys.

This is for not lynchig all third parties.

wth is this shit for though - you have no reason to be claiming.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm the vig guys.

This is for not lynchig all third parties.

No reason to claim here. Stop claiming for no reason people.

So Shiro turned town if his scumbuddies die, is that the gist of it?

I am reading it as Shiro loses.

betray them and become a Death Knight. This means that to win, One of REDACTED and REDACTED has to live to endgame.

(If you remain alone - you lose!)

Can more people comment on this?

[Shinobi]

I'm the vig guys.

This is for not lynchig all third parties.

No reason to claim here. Stop claiming for no reason people.

So Shiro turned town if his scumbuddies die, is that the gist of it?

I am reading it as Shiro loses.

betray them and become a Death Knight. This means that to win, One of REDACTED and REDACTED has to live to endgame.

(If you remain alone - you lose!)

Can more people comment on this?

What's there to comment on? It seems relatively straightforward.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If both of your allies die, you will betray them

If both your scumbuddies die, you will betray them. Implying alignment change to town.

[Shinobi]

Seems like he just loses if his scumbuddies die.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So why does it say he betrays them?

Mod: Can you clarify?

[Shinobi]

What would even be the point of having a traitor that townsides when his partners are dead?
What's stopping him from immediately giving town their names? The concept makes no sense.

Pedit - it's probably just flavor, I wouldn't be too concerned about it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He becomes a serial killer?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nevermind, looks like just flavor. Would like the mod to confirm though.

[Performer]

First

First thing to say coming into a brand new day, when there were 2 deaths, is that?....

Lol, just realized that voting me at this point is basically a scumclaim.
Just because I softclaimed and roleplayed a Ghoul before anyone ever mentioned it and before we had the flip of another Ghoul.

Man...you are funny....I guess you have a point in being proud of playing out your Vanilla role lol.

Derp 398 is Gale. Meant to grab a different quote for Shaded, but my point is the same.

Yes but your point is valid on performers slot - it really is not on mine or vez.

He town read me and nulled vez. I think we can pretty much strike performer a a likely suspect for now and ABR less so. Those pushes are not something I would expect as a bus move (particularly as a traitor). What I am less sure of is who his partners actually were.

Whoa whoa. I was townreading you and was null on Vez? I didn't say that in my recent reads list in 569.

Vez's swinging of votes from Fire to me, claiming that the reason for voting me was that he saw the same “scumslip” from Bran – that's a fluff reason to vote me. Add in his unwarranted Vig claim on d2 – and I’m still not getting the best feeling about him. I have a theory about him but I don't think it's the right time to bring it up yet.

I'm the vig guys.

This is for not lynchig all third parties.

No reason to claim here. Stop claiming for no reason people.

So Shiro turned town if his scumbuddies die, is that the gist of it?

I am reading it as Shiro loses.

betray them and become a Death Knight. This means that to win, One of REDACTED and REDACTED has to live to endgame.

(If you remain alone - you lose!)

Can more people comment on this?

Not sure what else to say about her role pm the mod showed us. Redacted is the part that the mod censored. I can't tell anything from that.

VOTE: int

[FA_Q2]

Whoa whoa. I was townreading you and was null on Vez? I didn't say that in my recent reads list in 569.

Vez's swinging of votes from Fire to me, claiming that the reason for voting me was that he saw the same “scumslip” from Bran – that's a fluff reason to vote me. Add in his unwarranted Vig claim on d2 – and I’m still not getting the best feeling about him. I have a theory about him but I don't think it's the right time to bring it up yet.

Care to read that again.

We were having a discussion on how Shiro's interactions affected reads due to the fact that he flipped scum. SHIRO had a town read on me and a null read on vez.

[FA_Q2]

Nevermind, looks like just flavor. Would like the mod to confirm though.

...

I really have no idea how you can take the direct statement that you lose any other way ABR. It was crystal clear.

[The Silver Bard]

So I was wrong, I completely read Shiro's claim as a townaligned role. Good shot. I am pretty sure vezo i stelling the truth about being the vig. There is no reason for scum to NK Shiro, seing how day 1 played out, and the lynch of a 3p then.

The question is whether or not scum knew there was a traitor in the game. And whether or not they knew he was Arthas. If they knew there was a traitor and that traitor was Arthas anyone arguing against the Shiro lynch after he claimed Arthas looks scummier.

[Netherspite]

Ewww Nether..your posting is gross. Ghoul is a VT. You don't get credit for crumbing VT, presuming you did.

Man...you are funny....I guess you have a point in being proud of playing out your Vanilla role lol.

Yeah, no.
I didn't crumb VT. I crumbed Ghoul.

Me not human anymore!
Me eat brains!

Here is where I got this quote ("Me eat brains!") from: http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Quotes_of ... ad_Scourge
Plus "Me not human anymore" was another huge hint for the Ghoul.

The only players who knew that VT flavor in this game is Ghoul were VTs.

[Netherspite]

Also, I'm unvoting unless we'll have a CC.
UNVOTE:

[Netherspite]

I've read through

Shiro

's ISO.
Interesting thing: he was pushing (to some degree at least) all the scummy people.
Was he just bussing them? He will still win if scum will. He doesn't need to survive.
Or am I completely wrong about who's scummy and who ain't?

[vezokpiraka]

vote performer

This needs death. Does anyone agree?

[Call of the Wild]

I've read through

Shiro

's ISO.
Interesting thing: he was pushing (to some degree at least) all the scummy people.
Was he just bussing them? He will still win if scum will. He doesn't need to survive.
Or am I completely wrong about who's scummy and who ain't?

He loses if the scum die and he knows who they are. He isn't going to bus or try to lynch them. It plays directly against his wincon.

vote performer

This needs death. Does anyone agree?

Do you even read or pay attention? The way Shiro was trying to rush lynch Performer at the end there means it is HIGHLY likely that Performer is town.

FFS

~SW

[Vedith]

VOTE: The Silver Bard

Yeah I'll go here for now.

[Netherspite]

If we exclude those who

Shiro

pushed from the list of scumspects, I'm considering

inte

the scummiest.

VOTE: inte

[vezokpiraka]

Actually I think ABR slipped l think He meant to say character(possible cause scourge) but accidentally said role. It makes no sense to say the one role he didn't want when roles are closed and you can't anticipate anything.

VOTE:ABR

I like where I am voting

Bard came in made one post that appeases both sides(Showed concern over me and voted vezokpiraka) and left.

Vezokpiraka I am so-so part of me thinks he read that post as 3p cause he is scum and concerned about it cause town should even be thinking about 3p so Early. But yea not certain

Fa is town I think so is neather.

Fa reaction was really town.

Neather I doubt scum would rp like that.

Null on the rest, maaaaybe a small town lean on fire

Yeah, maybe performer is town, so is abr.

vote fa

This though is scum as fuck.

[Shinobi]

Mod: what happens if the traitor is shot by mafia?