Mini 1657 — Taylor Swift UPick — Game Over

[Espeonage]

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@ Elyse: Now that the wagon in DLA has disintegrated, who do you prefer out of the other options?

[Soren]

Okay.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Aristophanes

I thought you were going to post something substantial and you didn't.

disappointed*

[Bookitty]

@DarkLightA: In case it's not clear, I unvoted Ika to prevent said LOLhammer and to give him a chance to respond to your comments. If he continues avoiding this thread, though, my vote will probably go right back again. This is pretty much a last chance from me.

[Elyse]

I might have wanted to lynch you if Anti flipped town because the evidence against him was strong and you could have easily been WK'ing him. But him flipping scum makes you look really bad.

But let me get this straight: You are criticizing me for voting for you due to associations with flipped scum because I didn't mention you yesterday?

Was I somehow supposed to know Anti would flip scum and bring it up as a possibility? You are spouting nonsense and trying to discredit Not_Mafia, who is asking important questions.

My voting isn't moving today.

Your vote felt opportunistic. And it bothers me that you'd see me as scummy regardless of his flip. That would give you all the more reason to mention it yesterday for the record.

I don't think you know what opportunistic means if you're calling my vote that.

I scumread you during the night when I looked for interactions between Anti and other people. You are arguing a nonsensical point and I know you're not stupid. So you're scum.

P-edit: I'm still holding out hope people see the light.

[Bookitty]

disappointed*

It's a meme, and not one I came up with

[Espeonage]

K Elyse is town.

[Marquis]

V O T E C O U N T

2 . 1 1

People like you always want back the love they gave away.
And people like me wanna believe you when you say you've changed.

— "All You Had To Do Was Stay",

1989

(4)

Aristophanes

— killerjester, DarkLightA, Empking, Bookitty

(L-3)

(2)

Bookitty

— Espeonage, LucianRoy

(L-5)

(0)

Elyse

—

(0)

Empking

—

(0)

Endless Possibilities

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(0)

Espeonage

—

(0)

killerjester

—

(0)

LucianRoy

—

(0)

Not_Mafia

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(5)

ika

— Endless Possibilities, Soren, Aristophanes, Not_Mafia

(L-2)

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(0)

Soren

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(1)

DarkLightA

— Elyse

(L-6)

(1)

Not Voting

— ika

With

12

alive, it takes

7

votes to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2015-04-17 15:15:00)

(Fri Apr 17 @ 15:15:00 EST).



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[DarkLightA]

@DarkLightA: In case it's not clear, I unvoted Ika to prevent said LOLhammer and to give him a chance to respond to your comments. If he continues avoiding this thread, though, my vote will probably go right back again. This is pretty much a last chance from me.

Ika probably doesn't, or at least shouldn't, understand what I'm referring to. I can respond to a claim, and then ika can decide whether he wants to claim or not.

[Elyse]

Also Marquis, I am DIGGING the links. I was so pissed when Taylor took her music off Spotify. This is great <3

[Bookitty]

Ika probably doesn't, or at least shouldn't, understand what I'm referring to. I can respond to a claim, and then ika can decide whether he wants to claim or not.

I have no clue what you're saying here.

Second the positive feedback for Marquis. The flavour in this game makes me happy!<3 <3

[DarkLightA]

I have no clue what you're saying here.

Let's see what/if ika claims and we'll take it from there.

[Marquis]

• 
  
  
  
  
  Thanks for the constant love you guys
  
  If there's a song I haven't done or you want to see again, I do take PM requests (assuming you're not trying to tie VC flavor to a role/crumb )! Also, please don't share the Google Drive links elsewhere; they

  are

  from my own copy of

  1989

  , but risks and whatnot.
  
  
  
  

[Soren]

Taylor's mom got cancer ;(

[killerjester]

;_;

[Soren]

#PrayForMamaSwift

[Soren]

Just curious, what kind of voice do you guys read Bookitty's post in?

[Soren]

im not lurking im jsut wanting a hammer.

You are lurking. Because you're doing absolutely nothing between now and the prophesied hammer.

[Soren]

Boo'a votes are bad, and I think she's super scummy.
I'm really glad Esp popped in to pursue her.
I liked their little joust of reads. It showed me that Esp is actually quite town.
I'm still pinning my vote on DLA doe.
However, if Esp can continue this conversation with Boo, and maintain a very strong scum read on her, I'll be tempted to vote her.

Why are her votes bad?

Why is she super scummy?

While I'm more on Esp's side about the meta read not being very valid. I'm doing the same thing with voting for ika at the moment so I can't really call her vote bad either.

[Soren]

Wait, why are people voting DLA and Ika? I don't get it!

I'm kidding.

I totally agree with Boo here and don't honestly see why everyone is saying the vote reason is so shitty.
In Dawn on Arrival Ika clearly displayed the lurkerscum tendency, and is clearly doing a similar thing here. Boo and many others mentioned this, including Mollie, who Boo has quoted here. I like this wagon.
VOTE: Ika

Espionage
I haven't been active lurking at all. I've literally not checked the thread. At all.
What is your actual case on me!?
I see that you think I'm scummy for active lurking without a reason, you then say that my having a reason would be irrelevant. It makes zero sense.
Also, as I said, I don't see why Boo is scummy, nor why her activity has warranted a vote.

I see people questioning how I could vote Anti on meta reasons without having read the last bit of the thread.
He had been doing this same shit all through the day phase, and I did a very quick skim to see if it had changed in what little time I had.
We caught scum, so I'm happy with the outcome.

Here's a readslist, since apparently I have been unclear and stuff.
Strong Town-lean: Bookitty, EP, KillJester, Lucian
Town-lean: Elyse, Soren
Null: Empking
Light Scum-lean: DLA, NotMafia
Scum-lean: Ika, Espionage

Why is your opening statement a joke? I don't get it.

Just kidding!

Not but seriously I don't get the point of your opening statement.

[Soren]

No one should hammer before a claim, or an inquisition.
But seriously, what is the case for this guy? It's literally all meta!
He's going to return to the thread, see that there's a bunch of votes on him, and he'll try to defend himself... from his meta? From things he did in the past?
I honestly thought we'd make more substantial votes today with a scum-flip on day one, but I guess even that can't save this town.

Ika is obviously not bothered to defend himself or about the game for that matter.

Didn't you vote anti for meta reasons anyways?

[Soren]

The votes on ika are completely insubstantial, and they should be withdrawn.
At least, let him talk before someone jumps the gun.
I can only see this ending badly.
The DLA train went nowhere today.
Backup plan:

VOTE: Bookitty

This was inevitable. Everything led up to this.

I want to see a case for this vote.

[Soren]

Please don't hammer ika. I have reason to believe he is town.

Such as?

[Bookitty]

Wait, why are people voting DLA and Ika? I don't get it!

I'm kidding.

I totally agree with Boo here and don't honestly see why everyone is saying the vote reason is so shitty.
In Dawn on Arrival Ika clearly displayed the lurkerscum tendency, and is clearly doing a similar thing here. Boo and many others mentioned this, including Mollie, who Boo has quoted here. I like this wagon.
VOTE: Ika

Espionage
I haven't been active lurking at all. I've literally not checked the thread. At all.
What is your actual case on me!?
I see that you think I'm scummy for active lurking without a reason, you then say that my having a reason would be irrelevant. It makes zero sense.
Also, as I said, I don't see why Boo is scummy, nor why her activity has warranted a vote.

I see people questioning how I could vote Anti on meta reasons without having read the last bit of the thread.
He had been doing this same shit all through the day phase, and I did a very quick skim to see if it had changed in what little time I had.
We caught scum, so I'm happy with the outcome.

Here's a readslist, since apparently I have been unclear and stuff.
Strong Town-lean: Bookitty, EP, KillJester, Lucian
Town-lean: Elyse, Soren
Null: Empking
Light Scum-lean: DLA, NotMafia
Scum-lean: Ika, Espionage

Why is your opening statement a joke? I don't get it.

Just kidding!

Not but seriously I don't get the point of your opening statement.

Okay, I have no idea how I missed this post by Aristophanes I assume it was during the recent period where my cookies got messed up (not THOSE kind of cookies) and I wasn't seeing any intervening posts on preview.

UNVOTE: and an apology for saying I was disappointed. At least you are trying.

I want to reread a bit to see if I missed anything else during that period, which will also give Ika enough time to provide us with some reads and to share some content with us. Thanks in advance, Ika!

[Soren]

Well, I want to take a look at my little wagon for a second.

LucianRoy purports to think that I am either the most fiendishly clever scum in all of MafiaScum or the dumbest. He thinks I went out of my way to bus my buddy Antihero on Day One but then either:

1. Was too dumb to remember to vote Antihero to get the credit, or
2. Was so clever that I stayed off the wagon even though I was one of the motivating forces for the lynch so that no one would accuse me of bussing for towncred

This logic fail is so bad and looks so faked that if LucianRoy hadn't softclaimed (something he seems to be going out of his way to point out, by the way) my vote would be stuck on him like superglue on your fingers.

Espeonage, on the other hand, seems to think it's fine not to read the thread and may believe that he replaced into this game based on this:

Espeonage, have you caught up in the thread?

No, but I never will.

I generally don't read stuff I've missed unless there is a huge reason to. Makes me an economical replacer. It's kind of like doing jump rope and you have to wait for the right moment, at which point you jump in and do the thing.

Since he hasn't even bothered to read the thread, I guess I'm not surprised that Espeonage has adopted LucianRoy's craplogic so eagerly.

I think it's possible that LucianRoy softclaimed to try to out the doctor/protective role. Here are some things that are bothering me:

Also, I can prove my town-role from the events last night.
Considering I wasn't roleblocked.

It has to do with my role only serving the purpose of early town-confirmation.
Plus, if I get that out of the way, people might follow my vote.
Your bait was taken.

This might tie into why I read you scum.
You seem really eager to learn more about my role.

Ok, you know that I softclaimed, right?
If you don't, you should at least go back and read that part.
I forget the post number.

We can assume fairly safely that there's some sort of town-sided protective because there was no nightkill last night. LucianRoy nearly immediately softclaims, but he doesn't claim doctor. It looks like he's trying to draw out a counterclaim. I didn't make too much of it at first because I could see a scenario in which LucianRoy was trying to draw the nightkill away from the actual protective or in which he was just very inexperienced and inexpert with power role play. The reiteration of that softclaim, though, looks to me like one more try at drawing out a counterclaim without actually claiming the protect. Otherwise it makes no sense that LucianRoy would claim nearly immediately at the start of the new day.

If LucianRoy is the doctor/protective, he's played in a way that seems almost designed to ensure that he will be nightkilled, which would not be optimal play for that situation. The timing of his softclaim, however, makes me believe that he is more likely scum trying to elicit a counterclaim from the real protective. If someone claimed doc/whatever, LucianRoy had carefully worded everything to ensure that he couldn't be held responsible for the counterclaim. "I never said I was the doc! OMG how could you claim?" and other faked histrionics and hijinks would undoubtedly ensue.

Nothing I have said should be taken as an invitation to counterclaim LucianRoy -- not that you could, since he's claimed precisely nothing so far.

@DarkLightA: Can you elaborate, please?

Yeah Lucian explain your softclaim.

What is the purpose of the softclaim?

Can you really prove your role? If so, why haven't you done it?

Why are you soft claiming instead of claiming straight away?

If you soft claim you might as well go all the way.

[Soren]

Bookitty, your thoughts on LucianRoy are interesting. However, my gut is telling me that he isn't scum. I don't understand the softclaim though, there really was no reason for it, and now he seems to be riding on a conftown-wave without having confirmed anything at all.

@DarkLightA: Can you elaborate, please?

I'd rather not elaborate yet. However, I have information that could potentially, maybe, possibly exonerate ika. Therefore I'm asking to refrain from LOLhammering and allow a claim and my response to said claim before any hammering takes place.

Till then I'm content on Aristophanes.

Hell no.

Look at the votes. A few ninjas votes and ika is gone.

If you've got information that confirms ika as town then reveal it so we don't waste anymore time on ika.