Micro 753: Votefuckery (Game Over)

[northsidegal]

right, but what are you saying he accomplishes by doing that? are you giving some kind of motivation to it or are you just annoyed?

[Maruchan]

Just pointing it out as i pointed out the stupidity of the earlier "reply to this and say you're town if you're town" podt. Shits pointless and detracts from the actual game

[Alisae]

yeah I'm also bored

This.

As for my reads,
Sheep slot is null annoying
Beeboy is shittyplayer probably scum
Nm is null
Sakura is town ish
Penguinpower is town
Alisae is continuing to show towny points.
I honestly can't think or the names or the other two players without going back and iso which is hard while on mobile so pretty darn null which at this point into the game if I can't remember them that's kinda lurky

Ok I miss the nuance you had in your first post, if you could do more of that I could sort you better ty.

Talk to me about Beeboy and Penguinpower play by play.

[Sobolev Space]

sorry everyone i had a busy weekend. content coming tonight. still trying to sort maru because his reasoning for the sheep read/intent to hammer seems plausible but i still have a gut scumread there. will iso later to see if its justified

[Sakura Hana]

Near dead after a long two days in a row at work. Hope to get to this tonight, but if not I'll be able to come morning thanks to not working tomorrow.

Still waiting.....

Also
Still want some reads from north.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

VC 1.11

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Sakura Hana (2):

Alisae, beeboy]

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northsidegal (3):

northsidegal]

, Not_Mafia, Sobolev Space

Not Voting:

Everyone Else

With

???

votes available,

5

to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2017-11-15 11:43:33)

[Sakura Hana]

Guys, im not getting any younger here...

[northsidegal]

apologies - i have a lot going on and a lot to read. i can post what i have to say in my defense although i'm still working on forming reads on other people - a lot of space this game was spent on an argument that i don't really think has a lot to do with alignment.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: ASP

Vote stays until he catches up or gets replaced.

although i'm still working on forming reads on other people

Where are you at, at least at a somewhat high level, right now?

[northsidegal]

VOTE: ASP

Vote stays until he catches up or gets replaced.

although i'm still working on forming reads on other people

Where are you at, at least at a somewhat high level, right now?

okay, so there are 9 people in this game. i have absolutely no idea how to read alisae, beeboy and sakura. beeboy's getting the votes frozen was a really questionable move but everything from there involving those three i think goes outside of the realm of the game and into the personal. not only can i not read into that, but i don't think i would really want to. i'm sorry for this sort of cop out on these people, but i honestly have no idea how to approach that. hopefully going forward we can ignore all that and i can get a clearer picture.

i liked maru's initial catch up post but nothing else from that iso really does anything for me and i left the recent interactions i had with maru feeling strange. maru's read progression on sheep was weird but i could reasonably see it as wanting a flip to move the game along, would like others' input on that.

a simple plan hasn't really added anything - posts like 220, 394 and 390 spend a lot of time talking about the argument, game experience and other things not really relevant to scumhunting.

not mafia is, as always, an enigma. despite his meta, as town i would typically expect him to have reads that he would be pursuing, even if he doesn't give explanations, ie he would pick up on something and then start voting that person for it, even if he wouldn't really make a case. i don't think he's really done that this game. there was the fake hammer in 516, but i'm not sure that really means anything.

i'm pretty confident sobolev is town. this comes from both the play in 475 and from agreeing with your analysis in 539. i know for a fact that i'm town, so it makes no sense for a scum sobolev to post 475, confirming my slot as town (which is how i interpret that series of events). if you disagree, i'd like to hear your reasoning why on this. i could see how it'd be reasonable to read both sobolev and my slot as scum and see 475 as a play deliberately orchestrated in daychat to confirm this slot, although that thesis should be disproven tomorrow (more on this later).

i also think you're town, although truthfully it's more of just a gut lean. i like your analysis and i think you're questioning things that others just take for granted, so to me i would think that comes from town.

also, i'd like to confirm that there's nothing vote-related invovled with my role. how do you guys suggest i do this?

[beeboy]

also, i'd like to confirm that there's nothing vote-related invovled with my role. how do you guys suggest i do this?

Like for yourself or for us?

[Sobolev Space]

so it makes no sense for a scum sobolev to post 475, confirming my slot as town

lol

[northsidegal]

i already know that there's nothing vote-related currently involved in my role. i'm asking how i should prove it to you guys.

mechanically i should be confirmed town tomorrow - either through being the nightkill or by inheriting the nightkill's abilities. i should make it obvious today that i don't have any vote abilities so that when they manifest themselves tomorrow, everyone can clearly see the distinction.

[Alisae]

Nsg I wasn't really in the ones getting personal moreso I was just trying to stop it.

I feel like you're taking the easy way out with your reads right now :/

[northsidegal]

so it makes no sense for a scum sobolev to post 475, confirming my slot as town

lol

i guess i should clarify, i didn't write out enough of what was going on inside my head there. presumably you already knew that you couldn't hammer people, so presumably when you made 475 you knew that it would be interpreted by everyone as a hammer. with that in mind, making that play as scum doesn't make sense - if you knew that sheep was town then you would know that he would say something to that effect after he believed that he was hammered. it doesn't make sense as scum to confirm someone as town, so therefore it makes sense that you're town.

am i making a mistake anywhere here?

[Sobolev Space]

ur not confirmed town

[Alisae]

Also I don't really care about your role since that's not AI and it never will be except IC.

I feel like that post could come any alignment its not AI

[Alisae]

That post is 475 btw

[Sobolev Space]

also north wouldn't you inherit the role of today's lynch as opposed to the NK?

[Sobolev Space]

or are u trying to NK me tonight and get an easy mislynch by "confirming" that you're now a priest

[northsidegal]

Nsg I wasn't really in the ones getting personal moreso I was just trying to stop it.

I feel like you're taking the easy way out with your reads right now :/

this is by far the most work-intensive game i've ever been involved with. every other game i've either been there from the start or replaced in having already been following along. this game, i hadn't read that much and rereading was made only worse by the pages-long argument and the fact that two of the most prolific posters have the exact same avatar. i apologize for not giving a read on your slot, but i really don't think i can make any sort of informed opinion. i wouldn't want to fabricate something when i don't have anything just for the sake of having a read, so i'm not going to. for what it's worth your concern ovr my reads seems town-motivated.

[northsidegal]

Also I don't really care about your role since that's not AI and it never will be except IC.

I feel like that post could come any alignment its not AI

people have expressed suspicion about that role being in a vote-related game, so even if it does not confirm to you that i'm town it will confirm that i'm not lying about being a universal backup.

also north wouldn't you inherit the role of today's lynch as opposed to the NK?

ah, you're correct.

[northsidegal]

or are u trying to NK me tonight and get an easy mislynch by "confirming" that you're now a priest

consider that me intentionally attempting the plan that you're suggesting requires nobody noticing exactly what you just noticed.

[beeboy]

I actually am really confused on why people are questioning the universal backup claim, like thats a super awful fake claim to make before a flip has happened.

Why do you think your role can only be put in the hands of town?

[northsidegal]

I actually am really confused on why people are questioning the universal backup claim, like thats a super awful fake claim to make before a flip has happened.

Why do you think your role can only be put in the hands of town?

i don't think that - from an outside perspective, i think it could be

possible

that it's a scum role, but i would think it'd be unlikey. i would think scum this game would have some kind of "scummy" role that could more actively be used against like secret double voting, choosing to make someone hated the next day phase, being able to freeze someone's vote, gaining some kind of special night action if you hammer, etc.

having scum as a universal backup just in terms of balance would be risky, i'd imagine. i'm not going to try to outguess / play the mod here, though. i never suggested that universal backup could only be town, i'm just saying that i will be confirmed as universal backup. hopefully that being confirmed combined with my play will do enough to clear suspicion on my slot.