Open 567 - Pick Your POWERRRR!!! - Abandoned

[Aneninen]

Well said, Regfan, well said!
This game is a "Lurkers' Paradise" now. According to my (online and IRL) experience it's

okay

when the scum team simply outplays me but when they're winning merely by lurking, that

is

annoying.

[Aneninen]

Is there a prize for "Most Pagetops With Meaningless Posts"?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Is there a prize for "Most Pagetops With Meaningless Posts"?

No. But on a counterpoint the box is opened just you need to really think about it. So here's the problem.
Siv is town.
Im not sold on Regfan at the moment.
Muffin according to his claim is town.

That leaves me with a whole bunch of other reads Im confused about

[Regfan]

Muffin, I'm really hoping I get up to see your promised catch up in the morning.

Also

@Mod,

this is becoming a bit of a joke, we haven't had a single VC yet today and it's 6 days until the deadline and surely Aafter and Heph are past prod time.

PEdit: Elmo, I'm

still

not seeing the Siv town read but you should totally join me on Heph today.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

VOTE COUNT 2.1

Regfan - Saki
Hephaestus - Flubber
Saki - Gameplay
Gameplay506 - Elmo

Aneninen
zMuffinMan
Siveure DtTrikyp
Hershey Kiss
Elmo TeH AzN
Flubbernugget
uctriton00
Aafter

Not Voting :

Aafter, uctriton00, Hershey, Siv, zMuffinMan, Aneninen, Hephaestus, Regan


Wait elmo, why regfan?

This was your vc.

And why heph

[zMuffinMan]

Muffin, I'm really hoping I get up to see your promised catch up in the morning.

Also

@Mod,

this is becoming a bit of a joke, we haven't had a single VC yet today and it's 6 days until the deadline and surely Aafter and Heph are past prod time.

PEdit: Elmo, I'm

still

not seeing the Siv town read but you should totally join me on Heph today.

if by in the morning you mean after 7-8am then sure

im focusing on catching up in another game first though so won't be done here for a bit

[Regfan]

Oh lame, I ISO'ed Burn and couldn't find one, top of the page VC's are annoying (Especially for VCA).

You should read through Hepsh ISO yourself and take a look but most notably Post 561 and Post 599 are awful and look like scum actively lurking the thread. There's no reads from him at all bar his Sala push and his Sala push is weird too. Also Toby FoS'ed Heph just before he died.

Pedit: Yeah that's fine Muffin.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Right now I have way too many of my own small scumreads.

Screw that. I think reg knows what he's doing. And yeah, that is probably the most suspicious lurk.

VOTE: hephaestus

[Hershey Kiss]

Ok sooo. I'm gonna re-read after ZZZ's claim first, then I'll read Day 2.

Gameplay's reaction of saying Sal goes next doesn't look like he's taking advantage of a player he knows to be town. So that makes Gameplay look town. I say this for two reasons. One, he said Sal is next for a lynch and seems to honestly believe ZZZ is about to flip scum. Two, ZZZ says Gameplay goes next if he flips town. Gameplay accepts that deal.

Then there's Regfan who drew out the claim to begin with. He's probably town but there's always the conspiracy theory that Reg is scum who wasn't able to get rolecop and argued that universal backup doesn't make sense, so he tried to get a power role lynched while possibly outting one or two more and was successful. But that seems like a stretch to me so he can be town for now.

Siv/Toby/Anen statistically should contain a scum for voting next without really adding anything. But Toby is dead. I don't think Siv or Anen is scum. But five townies starting a lynch on scum Day 1? Maybe Gameplay was faking confidence. I don't know. I think I'm wrong already somewhere.

Now Sal, I'm pretty sure is scum here. He was the first to call ZZZ town and he was confident in it. If you don't already know it happened, who in the world town reads someone who claims to have picked role cop, especially early in the draft. Especially when taking back up keeps role cop away from scum too? It doesn't make sense from a logical point of view. I don't think being right makes Sal just that good. I think he already knew ZZZ was town.

Sal finally votes (lol?) And Flubber gives intent to hammer. Not sure how to read Flubber there. I feel like that makes sense for either town or scum. But then later, Flub "hammers" because he's given intent which seems like he feels obligated but doesn't want to. That might be a bus. I think he forgot he was already voting for real so I'm ignoring the fact that it wasn't a real hammer.. Oh, and I don't like him calling for a vig on Elmo either. Sal and Flub are probably both scum.

Then there's Heph coming in saying basically nothing and making another L-1 vote after the unvotes. That rubs me the wrong way too.

Elmo finally hammers and it's night.

Okayy. So, is it as simple as Heph/Sal/Flubber when I was scum reading two of them already yesterday? Probably not. Let's face it, nobody is good enough to analyze this stuff and come up with all three scum just like that. And I may be reading with the bias of already having established reads on players. And the odds of a wagon starting out 5 town but all three scum later joining? I don't know. But those are the names that stick out as the scummiest to me and I want one of them lynched. I won't vote until I catch up on Day 2, but that's where I stand right now. I've got a guy coming over soon, so I'll keep reading until he gets here, but probably won't finish.

[Flubbernugget]

I'm pretty sure Siv is almost universally scumread as of right now. Can you provide your town reads on him?

[Hershey Kiss]

Who the fuck would lynch a d1 Rolecop claim coming from ZZZX

wow

Are you being serious?
^reading more tells me yes. Wow.

Regfan, you said you are pretty sure Saki is town. Why?

Flubber, Siv isn't universally scum read. Elmo called him obvtown. I basically see what he sees.

Vote heph

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Im not liking this heph wagon. I could get behind a Flubber

[Hershey Kiss]

Why don't you like the heph wagon?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Its been 7 days or something similar since his last post/.

[Hershey Kiss]

And?

[Flubbernugget]

Flubber, Siv isn't universally scum read. Elmo called him obvtown. I basically see what he sees.

Vote heph

Okay. I just read Elmo's ISO with a CTRL+F on Siv. He has one really weak defense of Siv. Everything else is "he's town." I feel like he wouldn't have to say that as many times as he has if Siv was truly obvtown.

[Flubbernugget]

And I also want to mention after Elmo's most recent push on me I'm not trusting any of his other reads.

[zMuffinMan]

@MOD

can OP be updated with who replaced who and D1 flip please

i'm figuring it out myself for now but would be handy if i didn't have to!

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

I don't believe flubber + heph are both scum.

I don't believe sala is scum - everything he had in reaction to the zzzx situation is incredibly consistent. He went with the wagon because reg forced him to, then he decided that he just didn't like it and left. He's got lots of badlogic, but that doesn't make him scum.

Btw reg, can you explain the elmo read? I'm a little jittery on him.

[zMuffinMan]

N1 flip even

[zMuffinMan]

are aafter and heph being replaced? (or at least have they been prodded?)

[Elmo TeH AzN]

And?

are aafter and heph being replaced? (or at least have they been prodded?)

This

And I also want to mention after Elmo's most recent push on me I'm not trusting any of his other reads.

There is no push its called I would prefer you're death today.

[zMuffinMan]

hey elmo

what are your reads

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Regfan - unsure
Hephaestus - Wish he would post
Saki - Town
Gameplay506 - Apathetic wish he would post
Aneninen - Unsure
zMuffinMan - Town
Siveure DtTrikyp - Town
Hershey Kiss - Prob Town
Elmo TeH AzN - Scum obv
Flubbernugget - Leaning Scum not liking last posts
uctriton00 - He's in this game
Aafter - Read above.

[gameplay506]

Regfan - unsure
Hephaestus - Wish he would post
Saki - Town
Gameplay506 - Apathetic wish he would post
Aneninen - Unsure
zMuffinMan - Town
Siveure DtTrikyp - Town
Hershey Kiss - Prob Town
Elmo TeH AzN - Scum obv
Flubbernugget - Leaning Scum not liking last posts
uctriton00 - He's in this game
Aafter - Read above.

Um so you want me to post now but before you wanted me to shut up? Ye bb