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[Malakittens]

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On the scale of I wish we can be confirmed masons.

[pirate mollie]

who are you talking about

[Malakittens]

who are you talking about

Huntress & I.

[TierShift]

GM has a point.

Vote: Tier

May I ask what point that is?

Why ask Huntress and not me?

You made it appear as if it was a random vote, so I thought, "what is the point that huntress is seeing?" But if there is a reason you voted for me, would you be as kind as to enlighten us?

All I meant is that Rothwell seems to be around, which makes me wonder if he's following the thread but not posting for some reason.

I don't really have much to input, and I don't fancy random lynching as everyone seems to have done so have just observed.

Here's a little advice: when a game's just started and I'm not familiar with any of the players, I sometimes look for things that seem odd somehow and point them out.

And the more eyes out, the better.

I have a few thoughts but I'm going to keep them under my hat for now.

And what is the reaaon you are not telling us? Don't you want to help town?

So far, you have not contributed anything particularly useful and you have taken on a defensive stance, instead of a -townish- offensive one. This all seems very scummy, considering you are the IC.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: goodmorning

[D_Cobbz]

In post 29, Huntress wrote:
GM has a point.

Vote: Tier

i don't see any reason to vote for Tier there is not "point" in any previous post

[TierShift]

Someone is buddying me halp

[D_Cobbz]

you know what bro? forget it.

UNVOTE: pirate mollie
VOTE: Tier

[goodmorning]

Someone is buddying me halp

This is possibly the most entertaining post thus far this game.

As to your previous questions, there are very good reasons for me to hang back for now. I did it in N1305 in an attempt to get evidence for my scumread, for instance, but I think I said what I'm going for here best in N1402:

@GM, NS, and Scar (in order of importance, least to greatest)
Why didn't you guys try to make content out of your recent posts? Page 1 fluff can lead to page 2 fluff which can lead to long, drawn out games.

Mainly because literally you, me and notsci are the only ones who've posted anything more than "Vote: x; insert silly reason here". I want to see what the newbies have got to say for themselves rather than drop ideas that might be sheeped.

@DC: Do you have any reads so far? Anything you've seen that looks off?

[Shadowmod]

VOTE: that neat package thing

Sorry, your overwhelming trust in my puzzle solving capabilities is filling me with all kinds of excitingly positive feelings, but this vote is just too delightfully cryptic and will therefore be happily discounted. On a side note, it is a great pleasure for me to remind you to send me a friendly confirmation of your role via PM.

Vote Count

pirate mollie

(1/5):

TierShift

,

Huntress

,

D_Cobbz

, Neater Plastic

Huntress

(0/5):

Malakittens

,

Neater Plastic

goodmorning

(1/5):

emeraldemon

, TierShift

Malakittens

(0/5):

Neater Plastic

TierShift

(3/5): goodmorning, Huntress, D_Cobbz

Rothwell

(1/5): emeraldemon

not voting

(3/9): Rothwell, pirate mollie, Malakittens


9 alive, 5 to lynch, 5 to no lynch

Day 1:

(expired on 2013-11-30 15:00:00)

[D_Cobbz]

@DC: Do you have any reads so far? Anything you've seen that looks off?

Nothing so Far

[TierShift]

you know what bro? forget it.

UNVOTE: pirate mollie
VOTE: Tier

Look, I didn't mean to insult you, it's just that:

VOTE: pirate mollie

Pirates are anti-town? Also, you still need to confirm.

I wrote this

Vote: pirate mollie

pirates can't be trusted

Then you wrote this

GM has a point.

Vote: Tier

May I ask what point that is?

I wrote this

In post 29, Huntress wrote:
GM has a point.

Vote: Tier

i don't see any reason to vote for Tier there is not "point" in any previous post

Then you wrote that

It's just that you copied me twice for 3 posts, that make up half of your posts so far. Why would you do that?

[TierShift]

Sorry for double post.

Someone is buddying me halp

This is possibly the most entertaining post thus far this game.

As to your previous questions, there are very good reasons for me to hang back for now. I did it in N1305 in an attempt to get evidence for my scumread, for instance, but I think I said what I'm going for here best in N1402:

@GM, NS, and Scar (in order of importance, least to greatest)
Why didn't you guys try to make content out of your recent posts? Page 1 fluff can lead to page 2 fluff which can lead to long, drawn out games.

Mainly because literally you, me and notsci are the only ones who've posted anything more than "Vote: x; insert silly reason here". I want to see what the newbies have got to say for themselves rather than drop ideas that might be sheeped.

@DC: Do you have any reads so far? Anything you've seen that looks off?

This actually makes sense. I do think it's reasonable to expect you to actively join discussion later on.

I'm not really happy with the activity of the other newbies next to me and d_cobbz, how should we pressure them to join discussion? Vote for them?

[D_Cobbz]

I'm not really happy with the activity of the other newbies next to me and d_cobbz, how should we pressure them to join discussion? Vote for them?

Yes, to answer your question we should.

UNVOTE: Vier
VOTE: rothwell

[TierShift]

Rothwell, could you just tell us what you think of the game so far? Who looks the most townish and who the most scummy?

[goodmorning]

Sorry for double post.

Double posts are fine. Some people like to string out replies rather than put them into one post.

I think I said what I'm going for here best in N1402:

@GM, NS, and Scar (in order of importance, least to greatest)
Why didn't you guys try to make content out of your recent posts? Page 1 fluff can lead to page 2 fluff which can lead to long, drawn out games.

Mainly because literally you, me and notsci are the only ones who've posted anything more than "Vote: x; insert silly reason here". I want to see what the newbies have got to say for themselves rather than drop ideas that might be sheeped.

This actually makes sense. I do think it's reasonable to expect you to actively join discussion later on.

Absolutely. I anticipate the game being up to speed at some point within the next 3-5 RL days. Hopefully it's sooner, but I doubt it, because...

I'm not really happy with the activity of the other newbies next to me and d_cobbz, how should we pressure them to join discussion? Vote for them?

I'm not happy with it either. Pressure votes have been known to work with varying levels of effectiveness depending on the player. I'm not massively into them though because sometimes the guy you're trying to pressure just isn't there and that takes away votes from places where they're providing information.
Honestly I'm not very good at/have no good concept as to how to start stimulating discussion. I've been got after for it before.

IC stuff

A good rule of thumb is that if your slot has less posts than the mod by p3, you really really need to post more. If your slot is one of the three least-posting living players, you should probably post more. If you have a few more posts than everyone else, posting more is advisable.
If your slot has 100+ more posts than everyone else, that's pretty much the only time it's acceptable to back off a bit.

And always be sure you're posting content rather than fluff. If you don't have anything game-relevant to say, find something game-relevant to say.
/rant

And I must say I'm not very happy with dc's activity levels either, seeing as most of his posts are too short to provide much analysable content (see last line of IC box).

His most recent vote is certainly interesting though.

[TierShift]

Wow that's one bog standard IC post

I don't see how cobbs latest vote is so interesting, i proposed an idea and he supported it. Can you explain?
Rothwell has been on today, he is lurking badly.

[goodmorning]

After being looked at suspiciously for agreeing with you so much, he comes back and agrees with you again.

It's definitely worth another look later.

[Rothwell]

Rothwell has been on today, he is lurking badly.

I'm not going to post in bed whilst on my old iPod. Would take ages.

One has already admitted to lurking; which can be taken two ways. He's mafia and scared to post or he's town and is lost.

The 2nd option is better.

Rothwell, could you just tell us what you think of the game so far? Who looks the most townish and who the most scummy?

Stale and I have no idea. My apologies but I've put little effort into this and haven't looked at any past games to see how the discussion works. Once again I have nothing to input so haven't bothered to post.

Pressure votes have been known to work with varying levels of effectiveness depending on the player.

They'll work on me, for now.

[emeraldemon]

OK I was not paying enough attention to this thread and a whole bunch of things happened. I'm going to do some thorough rereading and ISOing, and come back in a few minutes, but in the meantime:

@malakittens: can you explain the huntress read?

@pirate mollie: can you explain the GM read? Your explanation to malakittens made no sense to me.

[TierShift]

One has already admitted to lurking; which can be taken two ways. He's mafia and scared to post or he's town and is lost.

The 2nd option is better.

And could you perhaps do more to show us that you are in fact town and not lurking scum?

Rothwell, could you just tell us what you think of the game so far? Who looks the most townish and who the most scummy?

Stale and I have no idea. My apologies but I've put little effort into this and haven't looked at any past games to see how the discussion works. Once again I have nothing to input so haven't bothered to post.

I suggest then that you do look into older games, if you have no clue how to play this game and don't do anything to change that, how do you think you will be able to participate?

Pressure votes have been known to work with varying levels of effectiveness depending on the player.

They'll work on me, for now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: rothwell

There you go.

I don't have any solid scumreads atm and I'd rather place my vote where it can do some work. Also, lynch all lurkers!

Rothwell, do you think this attack of mine is justified?

[emeraldemon]

Ok, I ISO'd everyone, here's what I've got.

Spoiler: D_cobbz

Total posts: 8
posts with more than 1 sentence: 0
Tier got annoyed with dcobbz for buddying/sheeping, dcobbz responds by voting him, then sheeping him some more. Very wierd. Doesn't exactly scream town, but it's hard to believe scum would do something so strange and pointless.
Also, post #84 seems lazy to the point of being antitown. You really have nothing?

Spoiler: TierShift

Total posts: 11. At least tiershift seems to be making an effort to scumhunt, +1 for actually asking questions.

Answering #45: Anything town can do, scum can theoretically mimic. I still think some things can hint at towniness. Obviously in this particular case she was on the wrong track, but I liked that she started critically examining from post #1, which scum doesn't have a strong motivation to do.

#78 tiershift comes off a bit defensive here. Maybe this is just because I was already leaning (very slightly) town on GM, but it makes Tiershift seem scummier.
#86 "I'm not really happy with the activity of the other newbies next to me and d_cobbz" Really?? d_cobbz is the newbie who's content you're most impressed with? The guy with exactly 2 opinions, both stolen from you? The tiershift/d_cobbz affair just gets wierder and wierder.

Spoiler: Rothwell

Total posts: 2, both after being voted.
With so little content it's hard to say, but if laziness is antitown this guy's a murderer. "My apologies but I've put little effort into this and haven't looked at any past games to see how the discussion works. Once again I have nothing to input so haven't bothered to post."
I almost want to lynch him just for this, regardless of alignment.

Spoiler: Neater Plastic

5 posts.
Votes huntress based on my scumread (I think?), then switches to pirate mollie. Not a lot of content, but a little bit of effort is being made. Null for now.
Thinks malakittens is town (Says #34 seems townish), maybe unvoted huntress on her say. Is this sheeping? Maybe that's fair if mala is his strongest read. Need more content.

Spoiler: pirate mollie

16 posts. I don't really like mollie's post style, her posts are short and confusing, and I don't like the "isn't it obvious I can't believe you don't see it" tone. But I read newbie 1370, and she posted basically the same way in that, and she was town. It's still very hard for me to read her if I can't understand what she's talking about, so this is a very cautious null for now.

Spoiler: Malakittens

21 posts. Need to find a game with her to read up on.
Says huntress is town, hasn't said why. Says she needs time to read GM. It's a little intimidating that these players all know each other, and sometimes they give off a collaborating vibe that almost seems scummy, but it's probably just familiarity. And anyway they can't all 4 be scum.
I like that mala is putting reads out there, but I can't say I have a good read one way or the other yet. The fact the she townreads huntress so strongly off of so little is either very town, or a bold mafia gambit. Hmmm, or maybe it's not true and she's actually just trying to reaction-test huntress? Bleh. I'll wait for more.

Spoiler: Huntress

5 posts.
#44 This reasoning seems fair enough. I'm curious if this is what goodmorning was thinking also, although apparently she isn't telling. Not enough content overall to make any read yet.
It also baffles me that there's anything in here that malakittens sees as supertown.

Spoiler: goodmorning

Spars a bit with mollie, is holding back on the tiershift vote, no analysis / reads yet. I stand by my feeling that post #10 is more likely to come from town than mafia, but that's not a ton to go on. Says that d_cobbz vote on rothwell is "interesting". Is there a reason she's being so vague?

Questions for everyone:
@everyone: what is going on between tiershift and d_cobbz?
@d_cobbz: please provide an opinion about something.
@tiershift: does anyone else seem scummy to you besides goodmorning? Does anyone seem towny?
@goodmorning: Did the recent exchange between tiershift and d_cobbz confirm or refute your hunch in any way?
@Neater Plastic: you seem to think malakittens is town. She seems to think your read on mollie is wrong (#72). What do you think about that? Was moving your vote off huntress partially based on malakittens's read?
@Rothwell: Can you give me a reason not to lynch you?
@Huntress: Why do you think Mala has such a strong townread on you so soon? Does it seem suspicious at all?

[Malakittens]

Huntress and I have a history together that goes further than this site. It's more I'm ultra familiar with her play on both sites. So my read is based on gut and also strong meta on her.

[emeraldemon]

So far, you have not contributed anything particularly useful and you have taken on a defensive stance, instead of a -townish- offensive one. This all seems very scummy, considering you are the IC.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: goodmorning

I don't have any solid scumreads atm and I'd rather place my vote where it can do some work.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Rothwell vote (obviously), but can you help me reconcile these two posts? If goodmorning's behavior seems very scummy, is she not a solid scumread?

[emeraldemon]

Huntress and I have a history together that goes further than this site. It's more I'm ultra familiar with her play on both sites. So my read is based on gut and also strong meta on her.

Does this mean I should just take your word for it? There isn't anything in your read that I would understand?

[emeraldemon]

If it's a gut read that you can't explain, I can respect that, but I'd rather have something I can see for myself.