In post 14, ejjinami wrote:I wasn’t really planning to play this game but here I am
don’t expect any sort of amazing activity from me
What do you think of a massclaim right at the beginning?
Vigs are potential ICs while super saints/bombs could be used to get a double lynch (if the person who’s supposed to hammer doesn’t hammer, they’ll get shot)
So theoretically it’d be better if we lynch among the bomb/supersaint group
I admit that I haven’t analyzed all aspects of it but at first glance claiming [vig] or [not vig] might be beneficial
In post 14, ejjinami wrote:I wasn’t really planning to play this game but here I am
don’t expect any sort of amazing activity from me
What do you think of a massclaim right at the beginning?
Vigs are potential ICs while super saints/bombs could be used to get a double lynch (if the person who’s supposed to hammer doesn’t hammer, they’ll get shot)
So theoretically it’d be better if we lynch among the bomb/supersaint group
I admit that I haven’t analyzed all aspects of it but at first glance claiming [vig] or [not vig] might be beneficial
1. says not to expect any sort of amazing activity
2. asks for a massclaim
alright buddy, the bar has been lowered.
??????????????
the question about the massclaim was serious lol
I feel like people rn are rejecting it jsut because “oh no massclaims aren’t great in most setups so they surely won’t help now”, without even bothering to stop for a moment and think
We have a few potential ICs in the game but besides that, absolutely no investigative power. That alone makes me really unwilling to lynch among that bunch
Bombs and super saints can be used to find scum as well. Lynching a supersaint can give us advantage over the mafia (lower their kill to lynch ratio)
so at first glance, claiming [vig, not vig] doesn’t seem like a bad idea
I’m NOT good at setup spec and I DON’T have a lot of experience with it, which is why I’m asking. Please think of it and provide me with an answer different from just “lol no”
In post 25, nepenthe wrote:no but on a serious note, i don't think massclaiming is beneficial in that if i'm understanding this correctly, it just sets scum up with an easier path on who to kill/needlessly sets town back a bit.
In post 26, Raya36 wrote:I can see a massclaim being helpful later in game to lie detect and try to mechanically solve the game but as it is now I don't think town would gain much info whereas it would really help scum
welp... ok
I should have read the entire thread before posting
In post 28, Flea The Magician wrote:I can't see ANY reasonable situation where even a partial vig claim would help us here, honestly.
Kinda sus. Not sure why we'd IC vig's either.
vigs are ICs as long as the mafia kill is identified.
As long as everyone claims their shots right after making them and there’s still 1 left for mafia, those who claimed will have to be town
In post 28, Flea The Magician wrote:I can't see ANY reasonable situation where even a partial vig claim would help us here, honestly.
Kinda sus. Not sure why we'd IC vig's either.
vigs are ICs as long as the mafia kill is identified.
As long as everyone claims their shots right after making them and there’s still 1 left for mafia, those who claimed will have to be town
The shots are at night so you mean everyone claims who they killed the next day? Scum would just have one of their own claim to be a vig and then claim the nk as their shot.
we’d know that there’s 1 scum there then
or that the mafia no-killed (with or without having info about the vig shot prior to that)
I THINK as long as we don’t talk about the future vig shots too much and just leave it up to choice, the mafia will have no reason to no-kill
So IF by chance all kills are claimed, we’ll get a PoE of 1 scum among the claimants anyway
That doesn’t seem like a bad deal to me
All of ejji's contentful posts before any actual non-iioa popped up and then they be hypocritical and then SR Kop for doing the same, or at least that's what I understood of their post.
In post 70, MiniVirgo wrote:The setup contains 3-5 vigilantes, and 2-4 bombs or supersaints.
Bombs remaining unclaimed will make Mafia ultimately scared as to who to shoot and/or waste their utility with the factional doctor shot (which I didn't know existed until reading the mechanics again) or not shoot at all as a double down of framing a Vigilante claim and/or using the Mafia NK to secure a claim themselves . Although this can also double kill Town which doubles down as clearing PoE if the vigilantes are being scum-read. Bombs shouldn't claim and neither should Supersaints, and in extension Vigilantes claiming will out both and that's not good so I'm against a mass-claim. We can probably utilize Supersaints by getting select players to hammer as well to be fair.
This was midnight setup spec though so probably wrong, now I'm done with that and I'm on to reading people.
Come to think of it, from memory ejji yeeted iioa on us immediately and is reading Kop as scum because they are doing iioa as well?
- JV
I like the selecting a pool to do the hammers idea.
In post 14, ejjinami wrote:I wasn’t really planning to play this game but here I am
don’t expect any sort of amazing activity from me
What do you think of a massclaim right at the beginning?
Vigs are potential ICs while super saints/bombs could be used to get a double lynch (if the person who’s supposed to hammer doesn’t hammer, they’ll get shot)
So theoretically it’d be better if we lynch among the bomb/supersaint group
I admit that I haven’t analyzed all aspects of it but at first glance claiming [vig] or [not vig] might be beneficial
In post 14, ejjinami wrote:I wasn’t really planning to play this game but here I am
don’t expect any sort of amazing activity from me
What do you think of a massclaim right at the beginning?
Vigs are potential ICs while super saints/bombs could be used to get a double lynch (if the person who’s supposed to hammer doesn’t hammer, they’ll get shot)
So theoretically it’d be better if we lynch among the bomb/supersaint group
I admit that I haven’t analyzed all aspects of it but at first glance claiming [vig] or [not vig] might be beneficial
1. says not to expect any sort of amazing activity
2. asks for a massclaim
alright buddy, the bar has been lowered.
??????????????
the question about the massclaim was serious lol
I feel like people rn are rejecting it jsut because “oh no massclaims aren’t great in most setups so they surely won’t help now”, without even bothering to stop for a moment and think
We have a few potential ICs in the game but besides that, absolutely no investigative power. That alone makes me really unwilling to lynch among that bunch
Bombs and super saints can be used to find scum as well. Lynching a supersaint can give us advantage over the mafia (lower their kill to lynch ratio)
so at first glance, claiming [vig, not vig] doesn’t seem like a bad idea
I’m NOT good at setup spec and I DON’T have a lot of experience with it, which is why I’m asking. Please think of it and provide me with an answer different from just “lol no”
In post 25, nepenthe wrote:no but on a serious note, i don't think massclaiming is beneficial in that if i'm understanding this correctly, it just sets scum up with an easier path on who to kill/needlessly sets town back a bit.
In post 26, Raya36 wrote:I can see a massclaim being helpful later in game to lie detect and try to mechanically solve the game but as it is now I don't think town would gain much info whereas it would really help scum
welp... ok
I should have read the entire thread before posting
In post 28, Flea The Magician wrote:I can't see ANY reasonable situation where even a partial vig claim would help us here, honestly.
Kinda sus. Not sure why we'd IC vig's either.
vigs are ICs as long as the mafia kill is identified.
As long as everyone claims their shots right after making them and there’s still 1 left for mafia, those who claimed will have to be town
In post 28, Flea The Magician wrote:I can't see ANY reasonable situation where even a partial vig claim would help us here, honestly.
Kinda sus. Not sure why we'd IC vig's either.
vigs are ICs as long as the mafia kill is identified.
As long as everyone claims their shots right after making them and there’s still 1 left for mafia, those who claimed will have to be town
The shots are at night so you mean everyone claims who they killed the next day? Scum would just have one of their own claim to be a vig and then claim the nk as their shot.
we’d know that there’s 1 scum there then
or that the mafia no-killed (with or without having info about the vig shot prior to that)
I THINK as long as we don’t talk about the future vig shots too much and just leave it up to choice, the mafia will have no reason to no-kill
So IF by chance all kills are claimed, we’ll get a PoE of 1 scum among the claimants anyway
That doesn’t seem like a bad deal to me
All of ejji's contentful posts before any actual non-iioa popped up and then they be hypocritical and then SR Kop for doing the same, or at least that's what I understood of their post.
i cant understand if this is criticism or a scum lean hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Passion or coincidence once prompted you to say
"Pride will tear us both apart"
Well, now pride's gone out the window
Cross the rooftops, run away
In post 14, ejjinami wrote:I wasn’t really planning to play this game but here I am
don’t expect any sort of amazing activity from me
What do you think of a massclaim right at the beginning?
Vigs are potential ICs while super saints/bombs could be used to get a double lynch (if the person who’s supposed to hammer doesn’t hammer, they’ll get shot)
So theoretically it’d be better if we lynch among the bomb/supersaint group
I admit that I haven’t analyzed all aspects of it but at first glance claiming [vig] or [not vig] might be beneficial
In post 14, ejjinami wrote:I wasn’t really planning to play this game but here I am
don’t expect any sort of amazing activity from me
What do you think of a massclaim right at the beginning?
Vigs are potential ICs while super saints/bombs could be used to get a double lynch (if the person who’s supposed to hammer doesn’t hammer, they’ll get shot)
So theoretically it’d be better if we lynch among the bomb/supersaint group
I admit that I haven’t analyzed all aspects of it but at first glance claiming [vig] or [not vig] might be beneficial
1. says not to expect any sort of amazing activity
2. asks for a massclaim
alright buddy, the bar has been lowered.
??????????????
the question about the massclaim was serious lol
I feel like people rn are rejecting it jsut because “oh no massclaims aren’t great in most setups so they surely won’t help now”, without even bothering to stop for a moment and think
We have a few potential ICs in the game but besides that, absolutely no investigative power. That alone makes me really unwilling to lynch among that bunch
Bombs and super saints can be used to find scum as well. Lynching a supersaint can give us advantage over the mafia (lower their kill to lynch ratio)
so at first glance, claiming [vig, not vig] doesn’t seem like a bad idea
I’m NOT good at setup spec and I DON’T have a lot of experience with it, which is why I’m asking. Please think of it and provide me with an answer different from just “lol no”
In post 25, nepenthe wrote:no but on a serious note, i don't think massclaiming is beneficial in that if i'm understanding this correctly, it just sets scum up with an easier path on who to kill/needlessly sets town back a bit.
In post 26, Raya36 wrote:I can see a massclaim being helpful later in game to lie detect and try to mechanically solve the game but as it is now I don't think town would gain much info whereas it would really help scum
welp... ok
I should have read the entire thread before posting
In post 28, Flea The Magician wrote:I can't see ANY reasonable situation where even a partial vig claim would help us here, honestly.
Kinda sus. Not sure why we'd IC vig's either.
vigs are ICs as long as the mafia kill is identified.
As long as everyone claims their shots right after making them and there’s still 1 left for mafia, those who claimed will have to be town
In post 28, Flea The Magician wrote:I can't see ANY reasonable situation where even a partial vig claim would help us here, honestly.
Kinda sus. Not sure why we'd IC vig's either.
vigs are ICs as long as the mafia kill is identified.
As long as everyone claims their shots right after making them and there’s still 1 left for mafia, those who claimed will have to be town
The shots are at night so you mean everyone claims who they killed the next day? Scum would just have one of their own claim to be a vig and then claim the nk as their shot.
we’d know that there’s 1 scum there then
or that the mafia no-killed (with or without having info about the vig shot prior to that)
I THINK as long as we don’t talk about the future vig shots too much and just leave it up to choice, the mafia will have no reason to no-kill
So IF by chance all kills are claimed, we’ll get a PoE of 1 scum among the claimants anyway
That doesn’t seem like a bad deal to me
All of ejji's contentful posts before any actual non-iioa popped up and then they be hypocritical and then SR Kop for doing the same, or at least that's what I understood of their post.
i cant understand if this is criticism or a scum lean hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
nepenthe did sth weird but not necessarily scummy
T-bone would just ignore me
Raya seems to be just chilling in an adorable way xD
you’re doing something...
kop seems to want to do something serious but did something completely useless instead
and the rest just doesn’t exist
In post 49, nepenthe wrote:weirdly worried about raya versus ejj being tvt though, i don't sr either of them after reading their exchange.
Odd thing to be worried about? What's wrong with us being TvT?
I think this a general hole in nepenthe's logic. I need an answer to this question
Also I'm tinfoiling a Raya/nepenthe team simply because this post's tone seem somewhat too questioning. I'm going to wait for flips until I act much further on association reads but for now I need an answer.
VOTE: nepenthe
why do you think raya is scum?
In post 68, Raya36 wrote:I'll join you here. That statement made no sense. VOTE: Nepenthe
and that’s how a wagon, with even less reasoning than my vote on kop, forms.
Not opposed, you just likely won’t get anything from that. This is not a good reason to lynch a player who’s at least trying to progress the game
In post 70, MiniVirgo wrote:Come to think of it, from memory ejji yeeted iioa on us immediately and is reading Kop as scum because they are doing iioa as well?
- JV
there’s a difference between “talking about mechanics and then pushing people on my own” and “talking about mechanics and doing nothing else”
In post 14, ejjinami wrote:I wasn’t really planning to play this game but here I am
don’t expect any sort of amazing activity from me
What do you think of a massclaim right at the beginning?
Vigs are potential ICs while super saints/bombs could be used to get a double lynch (if the person who’s supposed to hammer doesn’t hammer, they’ll get shot)
So theoretically it’d be better if we lynch among the bomb/supersaint group
I admit that I haven’t analyzed all aspects of it but at first glance claiming [vig] or [not vig] might be beneficial
In post 14, ejjinami wrote:I wasn’t really planning to play this game but here I am
don’t expect any sort of amazing activity from me
What do you think of a massclaim right at the beginning?
Vigs are potential ICs while super saints/bombs could be used to get a double lynch (if the person who’s supposed to hammer doesn’t hammer, they’ll get shot)
So theoretically it’d be better if we lynch among the bomb/supersaint group
I admit that I haven’t analyzed all aspects of it but at first glance claiming [vig] or [not vig] might be beneficial
1. says not to expect any sort of amazing activity
2. asks for a massclaim
alright buddy, the bar has been lowered.
??????????????
the question about the massclaim was serious lol
I feel like people rn are rejecting it jsut because “oh no massclaims aren’t great in most setups so they surely won’t help now”, without even bothering to stop for a moment and think
We have a few potential ICs in the game but besides that, absolutely no investigative power. That alone makes me really unwilling to lynch among that bunch
Bombs and super saints can be used to find scum as well. Lynching a supersaint can give us advantage over the mafia (lower their kill to lynch ratio)
so at first glance, claiming [vig, not vig] doesn’t seem like a bad idea
I’m NOT good at setup spec and I DON’T have a lot of experience with it, which is why I’m asking. Please think of it and provide me with an answer different from just “lol no”
In post 25, nepenthe wrote:no but on a serious note, i don't think massclaiming is beneficial in that if i'm understanding this correctly, it just sets scum up with an easier path on who to kill/needlessly sets town back a bit.
In post 26, Raya36 wrote:I can see a massclaim being helpful later in game to lie detect and try to mechanically solve the game but as it is now I don't think town would gain much info whereas it would really help scum
welp... ok
I should have read the entire thread before posting
In post 28, Flea The Magician wrote:I can't see ANY reasonable situation where even a partial vig claim would help us here, honestly.
Kinda sus. Not sure why we'd IC vig's either.
vigs are ICs as long as the mafia kill is identified.
As long as everyone claims their shots right after making them and there’s still 1 left for mafia, those who claimed will have to be town
In post 28, Flea The Magician wrote:I can't see ANY reasonable situation where even a partial vig claim would help us here, honestly.
Kinda sus. Not sure why we'd IC vig's either.
vigs are ICs as long as the mafia kill is identified.
As long as everyone claims their shots right after making them and there’s still 1 left for mafia, those who claimed will have to be town
The shots are at night so you mean everyone claims who they killed the next day? Scum would just have one of their own claim to be a vig and then claim the nk as their shot.
we’d know that there’s 1 scum there then :P
or that the mafia no-killed (with or without having info about the vig shot prior to that)
I THINK as long as we don’t talk about the future vig shots too much and just leave it up to choice, the mafia will have no reason to no-kill
So IF by chance all kills are claimed, we’ll get a PoE of 1 scum among the claimants anyway
That doesn’t seem like a bad deal to me
All of ejji's contentful posts before any actual non-iioa popped up and then they be hypocritical and then SR Kop for doing the same, or at least that's what I understood of their post.
.......... :/
what was the point of all of that. If you think I’m scum, why not just vote me?
Reading experienced players based on 1 post is near impossible... SL them, they’ll answer in any sort of longer way, people will say that “eh, it’s ok” and change votes.
I’ve seen this happen many times and I really doubt it will be different here. Placing pressure on a player you aren’t actually ok with lynching doesn’t really help at the beginning of the game
The fact that I’m pushing kop doesn’t mean that I think he’s scum either, more like: he’s a good target to vote, who scum could actually get worried about and I don’t mind getting rid of him myself.
Even if there’s a quickhammer for some reason and this flips town, we don’t lose much.
This could MAYBE pressure scum to reveal some sort of agenda if he’s not town after all
For the same reason I’d be willing to give raya and virgo a pass (not because I think they’re town, just because they contribute enough to either be sortable later on or to get night-killed)
flea might be a good target to vote as well as they sort of contribute but sort of don’t. Might become readable with some pressure.
Focusing on a player who won’t get lynched will do absolutely nothing.
Pressuring the slot? yeah
Just place the vote somewhere else, there’s no need to focus on them only
I like to move my vote around and vote players for pressure to help sort, not necessarily because I'd be ok with them being elimed. Targeting players for low contribution is ok but I don't think necessarily the best move and what I'm doing is equally good. Focusing on a player that won't get elimed does help and it doesn't mean I'm only focusing on them.
In post 42, Raya36 wrote:Idk, personally too much wifom about the 1 scum or no kill for me to be happy with that plan. Mafia no kills and then we're just picking off our vigs because we assumed mafia had no reason to no kill.
All kills will be claimed though. If we go through with this mafia have no choice but to have 1 claim vig and the kill or else we have a bunch of confirmed townies. Unless they're assuming there won't be many vigs that aren't blank and they're ok with that amount getting confirmed. Then they're obvious targets for the kill because they're confirmed town and also confirmed not to be bombs.
disagree but let’s just see how it goes then. Discussing mafia actions that haven’t happened yet is not a good idea
Reading experienced players based on 1 post is near impossible... SL them, they’ll answer in any sort of longer way, people will say that “eh, it’s ok” and change votes.
I’ve seen this happen many times and I really doubt it will be different here. Placing pressure on a player you aren’t actually ok with lynching doesn’t really help at the beginning of the game
The fact that I’m pushing kop doesn’t mean that I think he’s scum either, more like: he’s a good target to vote, who scum could actually get worried about and I don’t mind getting rid of him myself.
Even if there’s a quickhammer for some reason and this flips town, we don’t lose much.
This could MAYBE pressure scum to reveal some sort of agenda if he’s not town after all
For the same reason I’d be willing to give raya and virgo a pass (not because I think they’re town, just because they contribute enough to either be sortable later on or to get night-killed)
flea might be a good target to vote as well as they sort of contribute but sort of don’t. Might become readable with some pressure.
Focusing on a player who won’t get lynched will do absolutely nothing.
Pressuring the slot? yeah
Just place the vote somewhere else, there’s no need to focus on them only
Admitting votes are just pressure never works.
Also, keep dreaming. (◍•ᴗ•◍)❤ This is literally just me. I AM DA FLOOF!
In post 50, Saudade wrote:Why are you worried about having two townreads
this is an interesting way to misrepresent what i'm saying. i do appreciate the creativity but i encourage you to try again if the endgoal is to stir me up for a reaction you can get a read off of.
-- Or here if you just wanna see fae/faer used in context.
