Mini 2308 | Deal with the Devil Hydra PT

[Deal With The Devil]

Every time I ask about a vote and someone responds, "because they're scum," it makes me want to call them informed and accuse them of bussing. Not because I actually think it, it's just...that's what the post suggests if I take it literally.

- Alianna

[Doctor Drew]

Every time I ask about a vote and someone responds, "because they're scum," it makes me want to call them informed and accuse them of bussing. Not because I actually think it, it's just...that's what the post suggests if I take it literally.

- Alianna

I hate that, clearly if I am asking the question it means you see something I don't see.

[Doctor Drew]

Camel, my strongest town read, so sussing out a few of the people pushing there.

Strongest town read???

- Alianna

Ya I just read that, I definitely could see FL open wolfing like that.

[Deal With The Devil]

Camel, my strongest town read, so sussing out a few of the people pushing there.

Strongest town read???

- Alianna

Ya I just read that, I definitely could see FL open wolfing like that.

Openwolfing as in blatant pocketing or they're partners or...?

- Alianna

[Doctor Drew]

Camel, my strongest town read, so sussing out a few of the people pushing there.

Strongest town read???

- Alianna

Ya I just read that, I definitely could see FL open wolfing like that.

Openwolfing as in blatant pocketing or they're partners or...?

- Alianna

I was thinking partners, but it could be just pocketing as well.

[Deal With The Devil]

Camel, my strongest town read, so sussing out a few of the people pushing there.

Strongest town read???

- Alianna

Ya I just read that, I definitely could see FL open wolfing like that.

Openwolfing as in blatant pocketing or they're partners or...?

- Alianna

I was thinking partners, but it could be just pocketing as well.

Yeah, I could go either way on that.
Merlyn seems to have noticed something's up with them too.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

I just flat out said it, I feel like FL will give some sort of tell with the type of post I made

-Drew

[Alianna]

this cruel cruel game sucks because i can't tell who is partners with cakez yet..

this cruel cruel game sucks because i can't tell who is partners with cakez yet..

Why Cakez?

Hes doing this thing where hes complaining but doing nothing to fix the problem. It makes it look like hes here, but hes really just doing nothing. Usually people would just not say anything about having no reads unless theyre prompted.

not feeling anything AI from anyone yet so I'll sit on my rvs for now

and not pushing to find out info anywhere

Like okay this stuff is valid I understand where's she's coming from. But that was like five days ago.

this cruel cruel game sucks because i can't tell who is partners with cakez yet..

Why Cakez?

Hes doing this thing where hes complaining but doing nothing to fix the problem. It makes it look like hes here, but hes really just doing nothing. Usually people would just not say anything about having no reads unless theyre prompted.

It's a little early for that to be an issue, I think.

I think I only have like two games with him and they were a while back, but in the one I remember most I was scum vs town!Cakez and your description doesn't sound far off from his play there. He caught me pretty early on so I know he can hunt when it comes down to it.

isnt cakez a "good player" though?? drew seems to think so at least!

if drews confident hes town then im confident cakez will come in and give us some hella good reads to make me change my mind!!!

cakez will lead us to victory! everyone needs to believe in our angelic god cakez!!!!

There was this post which was just whatever.

i still dont like cakez LOL

VOTE: sircakez

can we just vote cakez out pls

bcuz hes scum

And then the remainder is this riveting scum hunting here. Your read literally has not progressed at all but you act like you've solved the game already. Pretty lame push.

This is a weird reaction to me. Why does it matter if her push is lame? It doesn't look like you scum read her; this response just looks pointless.

It reads like a discredit, but Marci's case is nothing and you're pretty much saying it's nothing. So it's like...it feels like you're looking for an argument with her. I think it would make more sense to look at the other people on your wagon who either followed Marci or came up with their own reason for voting you.

This feels like a weird thing to accuse someone for, something feels unintuitive about it. Like, of course he'll take issue with the person treating him as lockscum over a case like that. Also, Penguin is the only other Cakez voter who actually expanded on his scumread, and Cakez did look at Penguin. And why does it even matter if he scumreads marci or not? He can still have problems with her push, and I think he's justified.
Thoughts? AI? Worth mentioning?

[Alianna]

Aaaaaaaand I forgot about CSF.

[Alianna]

This is kind of just a blank vote. Suggesting that Cakez could be town but still voting him feels weird.

I suppose Merlyn could go vote somewhere else if she's more sure of another read, but this just doesn't feel like a natural or reasonable sentence to me. I make votes I'm not sure of all the time and I don't just cease to acknowledge the possibility that the person I'm voting, or as Merlyn puts it, "don't feel the town in," could be town.
Maybe this is just one of those playstyles I tend to scumread? I remember I helped run Roden up as cop last time I played with him (t'was a while ago, though).
Why have you been townreading him again?

[Doctor Drew]

It is mainly gut on Roden, I think I even see myself in them lol. Just feel like they are being earnest and open, like not too worried about how they look.

Also more leaning FL for town now.

[Deal With The Devil]

Reading now.

Cakez scumspect on me is forced.

They say no initiative with me when they know as scum i have zero issues giving initiative

I really didn’t think I’d hop on, but that was just poor analysis, so I’ll sheep there

And yeah, I haven’t read first 20 pages of this game still.

VOTE: SirCakez

Let’s go to Day 2

I'm lacking context as I haven't played with scum!FL, but this looks pretty bad for Cakez if true.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

DwtD 180 definitely feels weird considering how in they went in defending me against Marci earlier

I don't remember us doing that?

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

Merlyn continues to feel like town.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

Just as I start to come around on Cakez, the push there starts disintegrating.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

It is mainly gut on Roden, I think I even see myself in them lol. Just feel like they are being earnest and open, like not too worried about how they look.

Also more leaning FL for town now.

That's fair enough. I haven't taken issue with any of their other posts so I think I'll just leave it.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

Where are you at for scumreads right now? I'd switch to Cakez, would also be fine staying on Snivy though. Not feeling the marci wagon.

- Alianna

[Doctor Drew]

Where are you at for scumreads right now? I'd switch to Cakez, would also be fine staying on Snivy though. Not feeling the marci wagon.

- Alianna

I am not feeling Marci as well.

I am fine on Snivy

[Deal With The Devil]

Where are you at for scumreads right now? I'd switch to Cakez, would also be fine staying on Snivy though. Not feeling the marci wagon.

- Alianna

I am not feeling Marci as well.

I am fine on Snivy

We can stick to our vote then.

- Alianna

[Alianna]

UNVOTE:

hi i've read some of the game already. wanted to clear something up--eliminations are good for town and town-directed kills are good for town. if a townie gets killed with sacrifice they probably would've been eliminated later, and otherwise we get a cop guilty. i feel confident we want to use sacrifice twice this game. maybe there's a catch but we can only go off of the information we have.

we disagree a bit on who's scum, some of us thought that devil were scummy early on but that could be some of drew's confident personality. meow is maybe our biggest scumread tbh, but maybe that's best to address later anyway.

we have no particular desire to eliminate any of the current biggest wagons, so time to read up i guess.

hi i've read some of the game already. wanted to clear something up--eliminations are good for town and town-directed kills are good for town. if a townie gets killed with sacrifice they probably would've been eliminated later, and otherwise we get a cop guilty. i feel confident we want to use sacrifice twice this game. maybe there's a catch but we can only go off of the information we have.

THIS IS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYINGGGGGGGG

tbh im fine with replacing intellegencia with sacrifice but like, nobody wants to do that

HURT: sacrifice w/e let's try it

-ash

i think marci should not be eliminated today simply due to the adorableness of their avatar

-sonya+ivy

PLEASE NO.

[Alianna]

Ughhhhhh, we can't be doing this near deadline. We'd have to coordinate who should vote for sacrifice to get towny people on that, or decide who we want to sacrifice beforehand, we don't have time for that. We don't even know what we want to do with the money. This is not a good use of D1...
I don't really like this rep-in but calling for Sacrifice and declaring meow their top SR might even be too openwolfy to come from scum?
Definitely not paired with camel unless they're doing some crazy openwolfing.

[Deal With The Devil]

You know what, it's whatever. I'm just skeptical that a plan like that will turn out well.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

I should probably post something along those lines in the public thread but I haven't decided what exactly I want to post yet.
If for some reason you don't think Sacrificing today is a bad idea, I could be convinced, but idk. I don't like this lol.

- Alianna

[Doctor Drew]

I have been adamant I feel sacrifice is really bad today.

I also don't like Aureals subtle defense of Infinity......Penguin clearly was basically mia, don't use a repp out as a defense.

[Deal With The Devil]

meowmeow also had something they wanted you to respond to.

oh, i don't think i actually responded to this. i know the one online is alianna and can't respond but like oh well

I feel like it's a complete waste of time talking to you since you just called my cancelled Penguin push scummy then admitted you haven't even read a Penguin post

I meant to answer the questions/concerns last night, but then got tired and the bed called my name(530 am wake up call).

Just seemed over the top to me and trying to find any angle to discredit FL. I hate when someones defense is finding even the tiniest of smoking guns, and I get getting upset(town or scum). But I also feel Cakez showed signs of frustration being run up as scum, even if he doesn't agree with the reasoning......trust me I have been there.

And I came after FL initially because I thought I could suss him out a bit, and it was probably more his back and forth with Cakez tbh, but I feel pretty good that I am seeing townFL.

-Drew

how do you differentiate 'town being frustrated at getting voted for bad reasons' from 'scum being frustrated at getting voted for bad reasons'?
can you elaborate on why you think cakez was like, trying to find any angle to discredit FL, and how does this work along with the idea that he's getting angry at being pushed for bad reasons?