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[hitogoroshi]

Trollie mentioned to me in skype that his read on Matt was actually a town one, and I want to hear more from him before blindly wagoning. I don't think his absence in thread is alignment related, so I'm willing to wait. If his reason for thinking MattP is town is fakey, made up bullshit it should be obvious enough.

As for Amrun, I found ISO 12 to be pretty scummy. Her recent posts seem kind of unlikely to be from scum, though. Especially ISO 35/36 - I think that, if she's been called out for deferring read responsibility, she wouldn't be so explicit about this "trading her vote" deal.

So basicially, I'm not really feeling either of the current wagons but I don't have a solid alternative. We have a solid week though and I imagine that in that time either Trollie's reason will turn out to be bullshit or a sexy new scumtell will pop up. For now, on the principle that votes without real justification that almost certaintly can't start wagons are at least better than no votes at all:

Vote: kdowns

Five fluffy posts in a row, still on Trollie wagon. He's making my lizard brain antsy but I haven't pinned down any source so let's say gut! even though midbrain is more accurate.

Reck, I'll try to catch you tonight - my sister's coming back from Belgium tomorrow and she is infinitely cooler than you kids so I'll probably be hanging out with her for the next few days.

BBM, can I take it from your post you have some knowledge of Bitmap that'd help you read him?

[Amrun]

Also, apology accepted. Thanks.


And I forgot to mention - as for reck, that's why I wanted to talk to you about it, BECAUSE you know him so well face to face. That was WHY I said I wanted to ask your opinion. And I respect that opinion, and will consider it heavily when I am thinking about Reck's alignment. As it is, I've already decided to let that rest for a few days and focus on other things.

p-edit: I am not comfortable with the weakness of hitogoroshi's reads. However, he is at least being explicit about where they come from. hito, don't you have any other scum reads?

[xRECKONERx]

Vote: kdowns

Five fluffy posts in a row, still on Trollie wagon. He's making my lizard brain antsy but I haven't pinned down any source so let's say gut! even though midbrain is more accurate.

...what.

Hito, no...

[InflatablePie]

As for MoS, YES, I've talked to him 3-4+ times privately, and we've even talked in thread about having private conversations. The things I said came from private conversations, which I even clarified in that same exact post, before you snipped it. Why would you ignore that?

To clarify, in case I'm reading this wrong, you're saying you clarified that you and MoS talked in this post?

I did not snip that section, nor do I see any other mention of MoS except in that paragraph. If it's in another post, correct me.

Please, then, post the things you were talking about from one of these inside chats. And I'd like to hear from MoS in-thread as well, now.

[hitogoroshi]

[hitogoroshi]

p-edit: I am not comfortable with the weakness of hitogoroshi's reads. However, he is at least being explicit about where they come from. hito, don't you have any other scum reads?

Nah, it's basicially just some big towns, some little towns, and then a pile of no read. kdowns is the one that pings my gut the most in no read. I have a secret meta tell on NS so I'm holding on to that for him.

[DeasVail]

Vote: kdowns

Five fluffy posts in a row, still on Trollie wagon. He's making my lizard brain antsy but I haven't pinned down any source so let's say gut! even though midbrain is more accurate.

...what.

Hito, no...

I don't understand how you could be opposed enough to his vote to post this.

[Fate]

I just listened to 5mins in the background of Hito being CHEEKY AS FUCK and fluffing it up with his documentary on how2niceguy

[Amrun]

He said to me

that he thinks Reck's scumslip could have been genuine, but the way he's gone about pushing it has come across as very fence-sitty and wishy washy.

That's what I was referring to from that post.

However, after that, I said here:

sooooooooooooooo

mos and i talked about it and i am p sure both him and trollie are town

Which is explicit.

And MoS posted part of that conversation here:

sooooooooooooooo

mos and i talked about it and i am p sure both him and trollie are town

This.

For everyone else's benefit (abridged):

MoS: read the quote very carefully...he says "the NK" not "a NK" or "being NK'd"
MoS: which implies that he realizes there is only one mafia faction NK and he just mixed up which team had it
MoS: and I find it highly unlikely that he'd do it on accident, since I'm relatively confident that if he was NY mafia his role pm says his team makes the kill
MoS: even if [his role pm] doesn't mention the sicilian lack of kill specifically we know via his posts that he realizes there is only one kill, those two points together make it nearly impossible he did this as scum

How much more explicit can it get, Pie?

[Amrun]

ALSO I enjoyed hito's rant.

[xRECKONERx]

Vote: kdowns

Five fluffy posts in a row, still on Trollie wagon. He's making my lizard brain antsy but I haven't pinned down any source so let's say gut! even though midbrain is more accurate.

...what.

Hito, no...

I don't understand how you could be opposed enough to his vote to post this.

Because kdowns is usually this scummy as town or scum, is a heavy D1 mislynch target, and I actually have a town read on him for some kind of conversation we had over AIM while drunk that gave me a town read on him. It was something where he didn't believe I was town previously, but pointed to a specific post I made and was then convinced I was town. I don't see scum-Kdowns trying to contact town-Reck, simply because I think Kdowns would even admit he's not the GREATEST of players.

[InflatablePie]

[MoS] said to me that he thinks Reck's scumslip could have been genuine, but the way [MoS]'s gone about pushing it has come across as very fence-sitty and wishy washy.

Please explain to me how this has fuck-all to do with the posts you quoted.

Actually, the last relevant post before "I'm p sure him and trollie are town" says:

Theoretically, Trollie could have been like, "Wow, that makes sense. Maybe MattP is town. I will open up to him and allow him to read me better and perhaps move on to other suspects," if Trollie was town, or any other myriad of reactions that could help read him. I think that's silly, to put down the question because some reactions might not move the game forward. The same is true of any question.

p-edit: I could see you just fine, Reck.

So unless you're trying to say that posts 477 or 474 are talking about Reck when it's obviously MattP and Trollie, or unless I'm retarded, you're pulling things out of nowhere.

[InflatablePie]

*talking about MoS

or Reck

you know what I meant

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, you free tonight?

Yes. Get me on AIM. AngeMammon.

[InflatablePie]

Anyway, Amrun, point is: if I

am

being retarded, do you have any convo logs that support your claim of MoS being wishy-washy on Reck's "scumslip"?

[MattP]

Trollie and I are up for a g+ hangout tonight, just a heads up.

[esuriospiritus]

Does it HAVE to be gchat? that lags the shit out of my computer. Would much prefer skype.

[Grimmjow]

I'm in.

[Nuwen]

NuNest might make an appearance

[MattP]

If skype works for people then we can do that. If we are not skype friendsies then add me at mattypjhu

[BBmolla]

On the mumble, come chat with me whenever and tell me who is scum

[BBmolla]

BBM, can I take it from your post you have some knowledge of Bitmap that'd help you read him?

I modded a game he was in and talk to him frequently on mumble. Anything in particular you want to know?

[MattP]

Trollie will be home in 20

[BBmolla]

Trollie will be home in 20

Where we meeting? Skype? Invite if so.

Skype sucks ass though, the bigger the call the shittier it will be for everyone. Just saying.

[BBmolla]

Trollie will be home in 20

Where we meeting? Skype? Invite if so.

Skype sucks ass though, the bigger the call the shittier it will be for everyone. Just saying.