Newbie 810 - Game over!

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Official Vote Count

Not Voting - 5 (12Keyblade, BlueRaven, geekalicious, KittyMo, ronnieroo)

3 to Lynch.

Deadline

is the end of Tuesday, September 1.

[12Keyblade]

That's mature VRK. Delete my post. OK, whatever

Nah, just kidding.

[KittyMo]

Lots has happened since I was last here, I see.

Night one I investigated Roskol (or some other dead townie), night two I investigated BlueRaven (or some other townie that would've been an easy lynch (I'm NOT saying he is pro-town)), and (s)he came up scum. Townies follow, mafia win. If I was mafia, why on earth would I've risked claiming a cop with no results?

For one thing, I would risk there actually being a cop

, secondly it would've been an easy mafia win to just say one of the easy town targets, thirdly having no results makes me less belivable.

This is the reason why I am more inclined to believe your claim that not. However, the bolded part is incorrect. The scum have known the setup since Vel-Rahn Koon posted Raskol's death scene, because he was the doctor. They know this because if they have a roleblocker, they know there is a cop. If they do not have a roleblocker, there is no cop. (This also answers a question Keyblade had for me.)

and for future reference i havnt used the noob card for ages ¬_¬... not in day 2 or 3 and for the last 1/3 or 1/4 of day 1.

Your posts still kind of scream the noob card. It's difficult to tell whether you're pretending to be a noob or really are a noob.

I also have been looking into 'how to be a good mafia' or 'finding mafia' sort of guides cus i have a feeling that kitty and her accumplis (if she is scum) are driving this bus to hell.

Wtf. When did you switch from "Kitty is protown" to "Kitty is most likely to be scum."

And she some of the criteria:

> wishy washy voting (this is an unstable scum tell though)
> third person an wagon here
> saying someone is town without 'if'

It is true that I have been the third person on a wagon twice. However, didn't the wiki also mention that the 4th vote on a bandwagon is a scumtell? Show me examples of my wishy-washy voting and saying someone is town without 'if' and I will be glad to respond to you, but I honestly do not think I have done either of those things. (Also - while the Wiki is smart, I wouldn't reccommend following it as closely as you are. It's a guide, not a rule book.)

Do you really think I'm dumb enough to make that post without an ulterior motive?

Ooooh. A gambit. Interesting. I do like it, but I don't like how you seem to be avoiding stating your opinion on ronnie's claim. What is it?

Kitty--You jumped on me immediatly. However, you may have contradicted yourself. In your first post, you say "I'm leaning toward it being true." In your EBWOP, you say "Did you even consider she might be scum?" Yes, yes I did. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised. But the question is, did you?

I'm not that naive to not consider it... o.O I just find it extremely unlikely that it would occur to someone to forge that kind of claim. I could be convinced otherwise, though. I find the fact that I suddenly seem to be one of the scummier people on your list because I "may have contradicted myself", when for the entire game you've found me the most pro-town. Please don't say "acting wishy-washy/scummy is my playstyle" again. You stated what your playstyle was a long time ago, and you haven't been following that.

I find Keyblade and BlueRaven's sudden jumps on me that seem contradictory with earlier reads scummy.

@KittyMo, No not a compliment. Overplaying innocence can be just as bad as playing very scummy.

What exactly do you mean by "overplaying my innocence"? I have a feeling I'm missing something here. What can I do to not "overplay my innocence" in the future?

[KittyMo]

That's mature VRK. Delete my post. OK, whatever

Nah, just kidding.

???

[12Keyblade]

That's mature VRK. Delete my post. OK, whatever

Nah, just kidding.

???

Tell you after the game.

[12Keyblade]

Oh, and ronnie's claim? False. Double-roleblocked cop? Please.

Also, please answer my question about the setup.

[KittyMo]

The scum have known the setup since Vel-Rahn Koon posted Raskol's death scene, because he was the doctor. They know this because if they have a roleblocker, they know there is a cop. If they do not have a roleblocker, there is no cop. (This also answers a question Keyblade had for me.)

Already answered.

[12Keyblade]

The scum have known the setup since Vel-Rahn Koon posted Raskol's death scene, because he was the doctor. They know this because if they have a roleblocker, they know there is a cop. If they do not have a roleblocker, there is no cop. (This also answers a question Keyblade had for me.)

Already answered.

*facepalm*

Thank you.

[KittyMo]

Well, you're not alone, since Ronnie doesn't seem to know either, and the other 2 didn't comment...

[geekalicious]

(bold added)

Ok, Geek, if I was mafia and was planning to roleclaim cop, in a LyLo situation, here is exactly what I would've done:

Night one I investigated Roskol (or some other dead townie), night two I investigated BlueRaven (or some other townie that would've been an easy lynch (I'm NOT saying he is pro-town)), and (s)he came up scum. Townies follow, mafia win. If I was mafia, why on earth would I've risked claiming a cop with no results? For one thing, I would risk there actually being a cop, secondly it would've been an easy mafia win to just say one of the easy town targets, thirdly having no results makes me less belivable.

That first statement made your explanation WIFOM, so I'm not believing it.

@KittyMo, No not a compliment. Overplaying innocence can be just as bad as playing very scummy.

What, so do you prefer an occasional scumtell from a player in order for you to not be suspicious of them?

Thoughts on Geekalicious:
A. Has been a suspect basically the whole game. He slightly confuses me. I honestly never really know who he suspects.

Not sure what you mean by that.... I think I've been clear on who I suspect.

kitty & key
kitty & geek
key & geek (both look scummy and thus could create a pair)

Why these particular combos? And I don't recall you finding KittyMo suspicious before.

And bravo. Really. Well played by all. Do you really think I'm dumb enough to make that post without an ulterior motive? No. No I'm not.

If your play hadn't been so scummy lately, then I would have an easier time seeing your post as testing for reactions. However, judging by your poor defenses lately, consistent rolefishing, etc., I wouldn't be shocked if you made that post, realized the scumminess of it, then pinged it as a post to test reactions.

Well, you're not alone, since Ronnie doesn't seem to know either, and the other 2 didn't comment...

*is slightly confused* Comment on what...?

[ronnieroo]

KeyBlade, ok you have me listed three times, meaning you think that I could be a scum buddy to anyone, and you don't believe my claim. The thing that I really don't like, is that you're not voting for me. Shouldn't that be enough? If you think I'm lieing about being cop, then wouldn't that make me mafia? So why aren't you voting for me?

Ok, when I say too innocent, it means everything is too sugar coated. It sounds too nice and perfect. I don't want scum tells.

[geekalicious]

Ok, Geek, if I was mafia and was planning to roleclaim cop, in a LyLo situation, here is exactly what I would've done:

Night one I investigated Roskol (or some other dead townie), night two I investigated BlueRaven (or some other townie that would've been an easy lynch (I'm NOT saying he is pro-town)), and (s)he came up scum. Townies follow, mafia win. If I was mafia, why on earth would I've risked claiming a cop with no results? For one thing, I would risk there actually being a cop, secondly it would've been an easy mafia win to just say one of the easy town targets, thirdly having no results makes me less belivable.

I just noted something in a portion of your post here. You say that you would have run the risk of someone else saying that they're a cop.

This isn't true as everyone else claimed before you did.

Before you put your claim out there, everyone else had claimed vanilla town and thus, even if someone else was a cop, they wouldn't be able to come out and claim it later without being called a liar.

[KittyMo]

@Ronnie: I think that may have to do with the fact that I'm a shy, young girl that likes to be helpful...but I guess I'll try to be more aggressive, since that's the only thing I can think of to do to be less "sugar-coated". I would have to disagree that it's as bad as the other way around, though...

I'll comment on everything else in a bit.

[12Keyblade]

KeyBlade, ok you have me listed three times, meaning you think that I could be a scum buddy to anyone, and you don't believe my claim. The thing that I really don't like, is that you're not voting for me. Shouldn't that be enough? If you think I'm lieing about being cop, then wouldn't that make me mafia? So why aren't you voting for me?

Ok, when I say too innocent, it means everything is too sugar coated. It sounds too nice and perfect. I don't want scum tells.

By the slight, itty bitty chance you're town, I don't want a scum quickhammer.

[KittyMo]

Keyblade and Geek's reactions to Ronnie's claim are making me think I'm missing something here. Hmmm...I suppose I'll make a list. Feel free to add to it, anyone:

Reasons Why I Believe Her Claim:
~ It is so unlikely fakeclaiming scum wouldn't think to consider it.

Reasons Why I Don't Believe Her Claim:
~ It's

incredibly

convenient to not have anyone cleared.

Um, gee, my brain isn't very creative right now. Little help from everyone else?

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SINCE THE START OF DAY 3, THE SCUM HAVE KNOWN THE SETUP.

(Just wanted to get that straight.)
Please don't ask me to explain why, as I have already done so. This is what I was talking to Keyblade about up above. This also means that Geek's last post was incorrect, because waiting for everyone else to claim doesn't matter. This is assuming, of course, that one or more of Ronnie, 12Keyblade, and Geekalicious (since at least one of them, from my perspective, is scum) lied about not knowing the setup. I guess the scum could've not put 2 and 2 together and not realized the thing about the setup, but...I find that unlikely. So yup.

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Sorry my brain isn't working well. :/ Zachrulez basically dared me to read a game he's in that's 98 pages long (and counting). I read about 60 pages today, so...yeah. It kinda makes your brain explode. I'm not sure if I'd reccomend it. :s And I just got done standing in a parking lot for 4 hours giving out parking passes. Bleh.

Reminder to Everyone:

Do not vote for anyone unless you are *sure* they are scum, because if you are wrong, the scum can quickhammer. That is, until the deadline, because if the deadline hits and we no lynch, we lose. =/ Only 11 days to the deadline. We should definitely be able to find the scum before then, though.

~ Kitty

[geekalicious]

Please don't ask me to explain why, as I have already done so. This is what I was talking to Keyblade about up above. This also means that Geek's last post was incorrect, because waiting for everyone else to claim doesn't matter. This is assuming, of course, that one or more of Ronnie, 12Keyblade, and Geekalicious (since at least one of them, from my perspective, is scum) lied about not knowing the setup. I guess the scum could've not put 2 and 2 together and not realized the thing about the setup, but...I find that unlikely. So yup.

Looking at how you explain the scum knowing the setup, there could still be the possibility of scum waiting until everyone claimed. If they know that there is a cop actually in the game since they have a roleblocker, then they would withold from claiming cop until the end, seeing if the actual cop would come out and claim. If the actual cop decided to withold, then claiming as cop would be safe.

[BlueRaven]

i never said anything about thinking kitty was inoccent. To me its guilty untill proven inoccent. And dont bring up that post after my epic slip up. That was just me trying to dig my self out of that hole and fail.

But i must add this was all driven by a gut feeling... so you know....

[KittyMo]

i never said anything about thinking kitty was inoccent. To me its guilty untill proven inoccent. And dont bring up that post after my epic slip up. That was just me trying to dig my self out of that hole and fail.

But i must add this was all driven by a gut feeling... so you know....

Oh, wow, this post reeks of scumminess.

I had to go (away from the comp) so i didnt have to finish my answer. I think you and reckoner are not scum because you both have been trying to work everyone off my case, which a mafia wouldnt try to do because if they can get someone easyly out of the picture it will give them to kills in 24hours. either that or you both are using a stratergy i dont know about yet.[/ooc]

The above is the only time you've ever mentioned whether you think I'm scummy. So, yes, you did in fact say something about thinking I'm innocent.

Guilty until proven innocent? The only way to "prove" someone's innocence is to see their death scence. You really have the mentality that everyone in this game besides you is scum? o.O

I'm still waiting for a reason that I'm the scummiest one here, besides gut feeling and being third on a bandwagon. I am also still waiting on examples of when I did wishy-washy voting and called someone a townie without saying "if."

Quit. Avoiding. My. Questions.

[12Keyblade]

i never said anything about thinking kitty was inoccent. To me its guilty untill proven inoccent. And dont bring up that post after my epic slip up. That was just me trying to dig my self out of that hole and fail.

But i must add this was all driven by a gut feeling... so you know....

Oh, wow, this post reeks of scumminess.

I had to go (away from the comp) so i didnt have to finish my answer. I think you and reckoner are not scum because you both have been trying to work everyone off my case, which a mafia wouldnt try to do because if they can get someone easyly out of the picture it will give them to kills in 24hours. either that or you both are using a stratergy i dont know about yet.[/ooc]

The above is the only time you've ever mentioned whether you think I'm scummy. So, yes, you did in fact say something about thinking I'm innocent.

Guilty until proven innocent? The only way to "prove" someone's innocence is to see their death scence. You really have the mentality that everyone in this game besides you is scum? o.O

I'm still waiting for a reason that I'm the scummiest one here, besides gut feeling and being third on a bandwagon. I am also still waiting on examples of when I did wishy-washy voting and called someone a townie without saying "if."

Quit. Avoiding. My. Questions.

You are scummy because I find your case on me to be full of holes.

[KittyMo]

What does that have to do with the thing you just quoted?

I'll answer back to you on the case, though. Hang on a moment.

[KittyMo]

He starts off the game in a fairly normal manner, until this post, where he begins buddying ronnieroo

ORLY? How so? By being helpful and answering my own questions?)

Saying "I like you!" in that manner is blatant buddying.

and states that his playstyle consists of careful thinking and interrogation. (Has anyone noticed this being his playstyle? I sure haven't...)

Good catch!

Yeah. I know. o.O

After FOSing TFGM, Keyblade then makes this post that reeks of scumminess. It's incredibly non-commital and insincere, like he's waiting for other people to decide if they find it scummy before he decides how he feels about it.

What the heck???

>_> Saying "what the heck?" doesn't really mean anything. If you have a counter-argument or a more specific question, we can further discuss this.

Pretty soon afterwards, he points out here that I supposedly cop-breadcrumbed, which is very much anti-town, which ends up leading to an awkward response from ronnieroo, which is probably the reason why the roleblocker roleblocked ronnie. (Assuming she's the cop, of course.)

It's what I do. If you're going to breadcrumb, do it better.

Hahaha. Funny. Trying to blame me for your anti-town actions. All I did was type in the word "investigation", realized it sounded like a cop-breadcrumb, but left it in hopes of redirecting the nightkill. I didn't go out and say that a long time ago because then that would've been a softclaim, which is baaaad. Also, "It's what I do" is a horrible defense for acting antitown.

He also lies here about how I marked the word investigation with quotes.

Accident! Honest!

You sure "accidentally" do things a lot. Why didn't you respond to this a long time ago, back when Zach originally asked?

Start of Day 2, he does more active lurking. (Though, that is partially my fault...but still, this guy active lurks way way way too much.)

How is it your fault?

Because I was active lurking for part of it too, having a conversation with you about Harry Potter... However, my point still stands that I have never seen someone active lurk this much that hasn't been scum.

In fact, that's what he does most of the first half of Day 2. Most noteworthy post is here, where not only is he active lurking, but he buddies Geek in the same post. o.O

(Not buddying. MErely commenting.)

Yeah, you totally said without any buddying motive "You are so my favorite in this game!" I find that unlikely.

Okay, so you commented against about half my case. But you left another half of it totally alone. I disagree that it was a failed case. It's certainly not the best case I've ever made, but quite a few of my points do stand. However, I think we need to clear up the situation with Ronnie first before coming back to this.

[KittyMo]

You are scummy because I find your case on me to be full of holes.

Okay. Might wanna update your scum-o-meter then...probably on everyone, since your reads on people seem to have drastically changed. Reasons this time, please.

[geekalicious]

You are scummy because I find your case on me to be full of holes.

I found her case to be rather solid, and you probably did too since you didn't comment on a lot of the second half of it. And at least KittyMo's not explaining her actions by saying that she's having "delusional days" or by making explanations for posts that amount to "tee hee, don't think I'm scum, I just play like that!"

Also, why is everyone suddenly finding KittyMo suspicious? BlueRaven places her in several scum pairings, 12Keyblade finds KittyMo's logic faulty and scummy, and ronnieroo says that she deserved to be investigated because she's "overplaying innocence".

[KittyMo]

Also, why is everyone suddenly finding KittyMo suspicious? BlueRaven places her in several scum pairings, 12Keyblade finds KittyMo's logic faulty and scummy, and ronnieroo says that she deserved to be investigated because she's "overplaying innocence".

I have the same question.

[ronnieroo]

To clear this up, I do NOT currently find KittyMo most suspicous, at this moment she's in my bottom two.

Secondly, I thought she was overplaying innocence on day one. I don't think she is anymore, and I never said I still did. She was worth investigating on day one.

@KeyBlade, ok I've noticed I've gone from obviously town to 99% sure mafia. I find it odd that you've thought I was town the whole game, and now after role claiming a town role you think I'm mafia. What has caused you to change your mind? The unlikly hood of it happening changed your mind?