Mini 1633 ~ Non-normal Mafias Mafia OVER!!!

[eyestott]

Hey, om. If I'm agreeing you, I MUST be white nighting you!
Because according to Titus, I can't agree with someone as its white nightingale if they're town and buddying if they're scum!

[Randomnamechange]

Can we lynch eyestott? He is probs scum and titus is peob town. I wpuldnt be surprised if Titus got vigged.

[eyestott]

You've given Literally next to no reasons.

[Titus]

Hey, om. If I'm agreeing you, I MUST be white nighting you!
Because according to Titus, I can't agree with someone as its white nightingale if they're town and buddying if they're scum!

It's this right here that's the issue. The desperation of having no one suspect you is problematic.

Your speech is awkward and over the top. There's no hunting. No questions. No thought. Solely defending with a bit of OMGUS attack.

[Titus]

You've given Literally next to no reasons.

Make an ika case or self vote. With deadline looming those are the only options. I will not be voting Om again.

[ika]

so when to we lynch me?

[MTD]

@789: Another excuse to disappear and post no content? How many times have you said this already this game?

This was the first time.

[MTD]

Hey om, still want to lynch eye?

[MTD]

other than that:
ika is town and Titus is right that a lynch on him would most likely give us next to zero info.

I don't really like this:

Can we lynch eyestott? He is probs scum and titus is peob town. I wpuldnt be surprised if Titus got vigged.

since I see no reason to mention the vig possibility on titus right after he says she is probably town, but random is probs still town since that's metal's slot.

Titus is town.
Om is probably town but hard to read for me since I almost never like his posting much as either alignment, still he feels like town.

tn is null to me atmo.
@tn: did you ever answer FourTrouble's question what you meant with this:

Pasch is too controversial to lynch right now. Any of your other proposed targets would be fine.

?
I just stumbled across it and it doesn't make much sense to me.

[MTD]

I feel eye as probable scum right now from reading through and I think it's definitely the most reasonable wagon at this point.
VOTE: eye

I have no idea how much votes he has at this point but I don't think it's L-1.

[Paschendale]

Deadline wagons give zero info. Doubly so if no one actually scum reads the target. It is one thing to have a last second compromise.

All this does is lynch ika for no reason.

I don't disagree in principle, but we have a week until the deadline. Why do you ignore the good reasons to lynch Ika? He is basically steadfastly refusing to participate in the game. He's avoiding discussions, will only entertain lynching lurkers for the consequence free lynches, and is self-voting. He is acting against the interests of town and continues to do so. He's basically pulling a scum Varsoon play.

i dont even care about who makes sense as buddies anymore i just want this day to fucking end i hate how everyone is buying into the buddy suspicions of a guy who has literally been trying to tie himself to me every single chance he gets since the original Zombeh wagon im fucking tired of the fact that i am literally pouring out every single feeling of mine into all these posts and you guys are fucking believing the bullshit tunnels laid forth by pasch im fuckin tired of the fact that titus over here is being blatantly useless and hypocritical and everyone in this game is too fucking apathetic (which by the way was not helped in the slightest by the actions of Titus) to actually notice the fact that people other than myself, pasch and eye actually may have a chance at being scum and i swear to god i am just so fucking angry at town for being useless fucks i am angry at the fact that half the playerlist had to be replaced already this game makes me so fucking mad i swear to god

Maybe if you made a compelling case instead of yelling at us we'd go along with you. I opposed you because you did literally nothing to make me believe the authenticity of your suspicions on Zombehs or Mathdino. You failed to sell your cases, and they both looked completely disingenuous. The only person you should be angry at is yourself.

I agree about the replacements and inactivity though. I hate letting inactivity determine how a game goes. Of course, your blanket idea to just lynch lurkers means letting inactivity determine how the game goes. Funny how you are "angry" about that, yet you try to take advantage of it for a free lynch.

just everyone get the fuck on titus i dont even care to argue my points anymore at this time

And this is even less compelling than your previous attacks on people. Why exactly should I listen to you?

Shit this is town.

A temper tantrum is all it takes to get you to change your mind? Seriously? This is the only scummy thing I've seen you do, but it's a doozy.

titus you have still failed to fucking give a read on anyone else but myself an eye and you have given an entirely myself-alignment-dependent read on pasch you are coasting you are coasting you are coasting and nobody is doing anything about it because they are buying into the fucking paranoia about my towniness that you laid forth

PEDIT: eye get on her if you dont want to be the lynch for today

The lack of reads on many other players is unsurprising since few of them are talking. If you want that to change, you should clam up for a while since half this game is you talking or people responding to you.

Hey, om. If I'm agreeing you, I MUST be white nighting you!
Because according to Titus, I can't agree with someone as its white nightingale if they're town and buddying if they're scum!

Why don't you offer some actual reasons for voting Titus beyond simple OMGUS.

Can we lynch eyestott? He is probs scum and titus is peob town. I wpuldnt be surprised if Titus got vigged.

And you reach these conclusions... why?

It's this right here that's the issue. The desperation of having no one suspect you is problematic.

Your speech is awkward and over the top. There's no hunting. No questions. No thought. Solely defending with a bit of OMGUS attack.

See, this is why not reading the parts of the game that happened before you arrived is problematic. Eye has been one of the most active players in this game, and he has been contributing the whole time. Maybe he's not doing especially well at the moment, but taken as a whole, his actions aren't the way you're describing them. I don't think you're intentionally misrepping, but you are very clearly working from incomplete information. You should go back and ISO Eye and tell me if you still have this conclusion.

I feel eye as probable scum right now from reading through and I think it's definitely the most reasonable wagon at this point.

Why do you think this?


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I really don't like this sudden flurry of votes and a striking lack of discussion or support for those votes. There are definitely scum among the current pushes and I'd like to some reasons given so that when we have a flip, we'll actually have the information to figure out who the scum are.

[MTD]

Why do you think this?

Reason that stuck in mind were the recent votechanges that seemed really weird (first going on ika which seemed like going for the easy mislynch, then switching to titus which seems like a wagon that isn't going to happen anyway plus it was for meagre reasons) and what Titus said: The posting seems forced and a bit too eager to look good for my liking.

I am not that definitive about this but the other wagons likely to happen are much worse IMO.

[MTD]

Or was the question why I think the other wagons are worse?

In that case: ika is town. I've rarely seen scum display this kind of frustration, also ika was basically one of the more town players all game IMO.
next from that is Titus I think? As I said I'm pretty certain that's town-titus and even though zombeh giving up on this sucks, it's not changing my mind there.

[Titus]

@Pasch, people can town tell. Right now, the choices are ika and eye. That rage wall is a towntell. I have done it myself. A lot. It cannot be faked.

[Ghostlin]

Can we lynch eyestott? He is probs scum and titus is peob town. I wpuldnt be surprised if Titus got vigged.

This is bizarre. I mean, cognitively dissonant, balls to the walls, ride me and call me Sally bizarre.

Why would a Vig waste a shot in Town, when he could target lurker fucks and scum with near zero chance of being lynched?

This is the narrative you are setting up, btw. Ignore ika because he's Town and a Vig is likely to get him.

[Ghostlin]

I could possibly get behind ika. I'd be much more willing for an ika lynch than an om lynch.
Also, ika has hardly done anything about the setup.
Normally he's bouncing ideas off of others, but he's much more quiet about it. Maybe he already knows all he needs to know.

Context for this reasoning? Yes, ika's self vote that happens after this looks like garbage, but at this point I'm willing to even fucking ignore it as a tell because THIS GAME.

[Ghostlin]

New iPad has autocorrect.

Why can't we lynch Om or Eye?

Ika, town play like jester. Lesson 1 I learned at sc2mafia.

Until it's accepted canon that Town do this, then scum do it, win because no one voted them because OMFG, DAT SELF VOTE, IT SO CRAZY.

It's better to at least punish players for their ridiculous behavior, then assume it's protown.

[Paschendale]

Or was the question why I think the other wagons are worse?

In that case: ika is town. I've rarely seen scum display this kind of frustration, also ika was basically one of the more town players all game IMO.
next from that is Titus I think? As I said I'm pretty certain that's town-titus and even though zombeh giving up on this sucks, it's not changing my mind there.

I have displayed that much frustration as scum. I also don't have any good meta read on Titus. She's pretty similar as scum and as town, so I'll definitely need more info before reaching a conclusion about her. I definitely don't see town from Ika at all. Either currently or earlier in the day. Can you elaborate on that read?

@Pasch, people can town tell. Right now, the choices are ika and eye. That rage wall is a towntell. I have done it myself. A lot. It cannot be faked.

I have faked it. I have seen others fake it. And no, the choices are not Ika and Eye. We have many more choices. Don't artificially limit our options. And don't lie about fake absolute towntells.

PeEdit: Ghostlin is 100% correct.

[MTD]

first going on ika which seemed like going for the easy mislynch

nvm this actually

[ika]

I don't disagree in principle, but we have a week until the deadline.
Why do you ignore the good reasons to lynch Ika? He is basically steadfastly refusing to participate in the game.

misrep, i am but nobody is doing jacks shit and we are talking about lurkers and nothign about the game

He's avoiding discussions,

misrep, i am not. plz tell show me a USEFUL converstation that i have ignored. tell me something that has been brought up thats worth a grain of my attention right now?

will only entertain lynching lurkers for the consequence free lynches, and is self-voting.

its bastardized and we have inacitve slots right now. for the self vote, so what?

He is acting against the interests of town and continues to do so.

how outside of what you have listed and i have refuted what am i doing thats not in intrest of town?

He's basically pulling a scum Varsoon play.

nope, i dont do that shit as scum

you want to draw m fire from me pash? if you really want to contiune down this we could have a good old fashin 1v1 right now

[CooLDoG]

VOTE COUNT 1.13

Om of the Nom (1) ~ FuDuzn
tn5421 (0) ~
MTD (0) ~

ika (3) ~ ika, Paschendale, tn5421,

Ghostlin (1) ~ Flubbernugget,
randomidget (1) ~ , Mathdino,
Mathdino (1) ~ , Ghostlin
Flubbernugget (0) ~
FourTrouble (0) ~
FuDuzn (1) ~ , FourTrouble
Paschendale (0) ~

eyestott (3) ~ randomidget, titus, MTD

titus (2) ~ Om of the Nom, eyestott

It takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is: 17:00 (CST) Monday, January 19, 2015

Not Voting (0):

Guess I'm going to have to find a replacement for Mathdino

[Om of the Nom]

for fucks sake pasch shut up and play the fucking game i am not scum you are terrible at reading me move the fuck on
dont go fucking blaming the inactivity on me talking when titus specifically fucking claimed that she changed the fucking gamestate to be between you and i and everyone offered their opinions like once and then fucking shut up
i have been generating so much discussion in all the fucking players of the game and you are fucking acting like a town powerhouse when all you have been doing for the entire game is fucking tunneling on the most active and helpful townie in this game for pushing a lynch you didnt agree with

pasch is fucking operating on extreme bias at this point and literally anything he says is fucking stupid dont even say a single word to me anymore pasch
just fucking read a scum as scum for once instead of going after me or ika

[FourTrouble]

I'm like 15 pages behind. Anyone want to give me a summary?

[FourTrouble]

Ghost, why is your vote on math?

Om, can you give me 1 or 2 reasons why Titus is scum?

MTD, why is eye scum?

[FourTrouble]

ika, why are you self-voting? What pro-town goal are you pursuing?