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Post Post #900 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 9:25 pm

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[Low Key] wrote:
cjdrum wrote:If you are not a Mason, then you cannot know with 100‰ certainty that these three are Masons.

This statement a false over-simplification.

You missed my post where I said I can prove who the masons are and can do so
in-thread
.

How do you plan on doing that?

And what was that sentence I just pulled apart meant to be, huh?
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Post Post #901 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 9:27 pm

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I think CJ's last post makes him look bad. I have have found bad looking things in practically all of his posts. The list of Evil Four is confusing. That's why they are in the list though.
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Post Post #902 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 9:28 pm

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If the head Mason asked me to I would.
I realized that I was planting seeds, and that it was important to stay low-key, because once you say, 'I've got it' or 'This is it,' then resistance starts to build. But, if you start giving away seeds, people will claim their seeds. Some nurture them and grow them, and that makes a foundational change.
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Post Post #903 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 9:31 pm

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"list of Evil Four"?

I never did this, as far as I know.

In fact,
you
did like reminding us of that list of four: "Two of these are definitely scum"; "TWO OF THESE GUYS ARE SCUM GUYS"; "
GUYS WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME TWO OF THESE FOUR ARE SCUM".

Not those exact words, but that's exactly how it felt. We came, we saw, we didn't like. We saw again, we ignored. We saw another time, we got the point you can stop repeating yourself.
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Post Post #904 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 9:32 pm

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@CJ: You pulled apart the sentence. You are correct that I am not claiming Mason. You are incorrect that I cannot possibly know with certainty who the Masons are unless I am a Mason.

What more is there to respond to about that sentence?

You have failed to see why I named the Masons? I'm not going into why I did it if you can't see why from within this thread.
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Post Post #905 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 9:34 pm

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WHAT OTHER WAY IS THERE TO KNOW? HOW CAN YOU KNOW WITH
100%
CERTAINTY?

YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE BLOODY A) MODLY CONFIRMATION, B) THE MASONS CODE SOMETHING TO YOU, OR C) YOU'RE F***ING LYING
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Post Post #906 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 9:35 pm

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cjdrum wrote:"list of Evil Four"?

I never did this, as far as I know.

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GUYS WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME TWO OF THESE FOUR ARE SCUM".

Not those exact words, but that's exactly how it felt. We came, we saw, we didn't like. We saw again, we ignored. We saw another time, we got the point you can stop repeating yourself.

You are in the list of Evil Four. The reason each of those people are in the list is because their in-thread behavior has been +scum and they cannot be reasonably cleared.
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Post Post #907 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 9:37 pm

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I won't recommend Low Key's lynch just because of assuming who the masons are. It's not scummy.

He did it so that he can show to the town that Muffin's suspects are his
Mason picks
*. It's nothing near scummy.

*
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Spadille
? Because the name 'Ace Of Spades' is already taken."

No, seriously. I'm one of those town guys.
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Post Post #908 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 9:38 pm

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LowKey: Please. I would like to see complete cases on all four of us. Period. I'm not listening to you until you do.

I know it seems childish, but this is what it has to come down to. You can't just make a list of four and tell everyone who doesn't vote for one of them plain wrong.


And of course he has different reads to Muffin, he's f***ing scum! Bloody hell all he does is make random lists and wants everyone to sheep after him, aka NOT TOWN.
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Post Post #909 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 9:39 pm

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Well the original list was: Toro, CJ, Dj-Chkflip,
Snarky


You saw Snarky flipped scum. With Muffin's shennanigans he had to be added back into the list but the list above (minus Snarky obviously) is guaranteed to contain one scum.

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Post Post #910 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 9:40 pm

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It's not random. I believe he brands those who he thinks is towniest as mason. Right Loki?
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No, seriously. I'm one of those town guys.
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Post Post #911 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 9:49 pm

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cjdrum wrote:LowKey: Please. I would like to see complete cases on all four of us. Period. I'm not listening to you until you do.

This is a very reasonable, pro-town request.

My case on you has already been made in thread. You can add to that your latest +scum reaction to the list itself.

The outlines of my case against Toro has been made in thread. You can add to that his passive acceptance of the whole thing in the face of immediate vig danger.

Snarky's case I have laid out in thread and you can add to that the terrible timing of his appearance to declare his vig support of Toro (out of the blue but
immediately
after Toro became the vig target).

DJ-Chkflip: I have not outlined his case yet. In general and off the top of my head:

* His ISO is filled with fluff, snipes and lacks the character of a pro-town replacement
* The few actions of his predecessor everyone has seen and know are scummy
* He has done nothing pro-town to bring himself to be removed from that list

Every other player can be at least reasonably cleared by their behavior in thread. That leaves the Evil Four.
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Post Post #912 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 10:00 pm

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Toro's case is my ISO #125

Your case is my ISO #217
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Post Post #913 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 10:02 pm

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Snarky's case is my ISO #22
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Post Post #914 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 10:03 pm

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You can also add to your case your terrible scum suspects.
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Post Post #915 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 10:05 pm

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I've already said what I think of your saying simply that our suspects are terrible suspects.

I'll read through your cases.
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Post Post #916 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 10:16 pm

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Ok thank you.
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Post Post #917 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2011 11:41 pm

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Vote chkflip


Chfkflip is being way to persuasive in having [Low Key] lynched, he doesn't even have a solid reason, chkflip should die for that.


@
Archaist, and Spadile

Are you guys the Mason team?
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Post Post #918 (ISO) » Sun May 29, 2011 3:38 am

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DK, cj, and chkflip:

Please review the "pops plan" and either agree to it or give me a solid explanation of why it's bad.


Lynching chkflip or cj before muffin to ensure that my plan gets majority support for the rest of the game works out fine, since we want to lynch them anyway.

@muffin: do you think LK is town?
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Post Post #919 (ISO) » Sun May 29, 2011 3:45 am

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Still working on the Loki case.

I approve of the "pops plan" if I'm reading it correctly.
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Post Post #920 (ISO) » Sun May 29, 2011 5:29 am

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popsofctown wrote:DK, cj, and chkflip:

Please review the "pops plan" and either agree to it or give me a solid explanation of why it's bad.


Lynching chkflip or cj before muffin to ensure that my plan gets majority support for the rest of the game works out fine, since we want to lynch them anyway.

@muffin: do you think LK is town?


Link me to the post.
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Post Post #921 (ISO) » Sun May 29, 2011 5:55 am

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"http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p3081274"

The important part of it is, if muffin flips town, LowKey needs to be treated as conftown for the rest of the game.
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Post Post #922 (ISO) » Sun May 29, 2011 5:56 am

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"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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Post Post #923 (ISO) » Sun May 29, 2011 6:17 am

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chkflip wrote:Still working on the Loki case.

I approve of the "pops plan" if I'm reading it correctly.

Please verify what you think the Pops plan is, so we can know you have read it correctly.
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Post Post #924 (ISO) » Sun May 29, 2011 6:22 am

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[Low Key] wrote:If the head Mason asked me to I would.


And all of this is going off a mere shot in the dark...pfft.
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