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[Gregory]

aaaaaaaand if scum was only with 2 we are totally going the wrong way and are probably lynching 2 townies right? seems like a good plan

[Parama]

Toon's definitely scum. 100% certain.
player Q is alive because they bussed twice for no reason also there's probably a SK and mafia so I could be one and the other would murder me etc.
The problem is that's never true. Scum are hunting PRs, not hunting players who lynched them.


BTW BabyBlue was YamiChan and is banned <3

[Gregory]

unvote

[ChaosOmega]

Vote Count 3.01

Toon Fighter (3) - Parama, mykonian, MattP
Parama (1) - Toon Fighter

Not Voting (4) - wierdalexv, Scumhunter, Gregory, FightingShadow

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

~13 days and 19 hours

[wierdalexv]

BTW BabyBlue was YamiChan and is banned <3

OH MY GOD.
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So the vig should claim? I guess that's probably not a bad idea.

It's me. I'm a two-shot vig. I've been breadcrumbing since my very first post (I bolded the breadcrumbs, they're all grammatical errors.)

VOTE: BabyBlue
Glad I finally have time

two

play again.

BabyBlue, could you give links to the past board and games you'

V

e played in?

More later when I'm not on an iPod.

This actually was an accident when I was on my iPod, but I realized it work as a breadcrumb too >_>

Holy crap, fluffy fluffy thread.

i

'm done reading now, post in a couple minutes.

Post #273: There is one place where you can get experienced enough to play these games without discrimination: the newbie queue. I suggest you try a game there. Another bit of advice: read a completed game that you are NOT part of, and write down who you think is scummy and why. When they flip, see how many you got right. Then reread. (When you know who scum is, it's easier to figure out what they did that was scummy.) Then apply what you learned to a game. Seriously, I

G

reatly improved my play by doing just this.

...Making TWO VIG.

So there's no SK. I killed Arugula (mainly for the reasons I stated early day 1) and I no-killed last night, since I really didn't know who to kill and didn't want to waste it.

So let's end this SK speculation and hunt for scumz.

[Parama]

Powerlynch/kill Toon/myko
If the kill part even needs to happen.
Someone put toon at L-1 and make him claim so we can lynch him and win

[FightingShadow]

God damn this game moves fast . . . I was out of town for a very short trip, and while I was gone you managed to lynch Echo without letting me get in on the fun.

Greg is town because SH cleared him. If SH is lying about clearing him then SH is scum and there is only one scum left, meaning Gregory would still be town. Therefore, Gregory is conftown.

And Parama is scummy as fuck for voting him.

The only case in which this logic isn't true is if the Mafia had some kind of a Lawyer role . . . but with a Godfather already, that seems highly unlikely, so I endorse the first part of this post.

Ok, fine, Parama can be town that just made OMGUS votes on Greg and me.

I don't think SH would clear the other top scumread, Gregory, like that were he scum, so SH is town.

That leaves us with myko, toon, and Fighting. We should look at all three of their interactions with BB.

BB called out Echo at the end but noone else, which means that the other scumbuddy was not voting BB.

The following players were voting BB:

wierdalexv, FightingShadow, Arugula, Echo, Shattered Viewpoint, Parama, MattP

Therefore, wierd, Fighting, Parama and me are conftown.

Gregory and SH are town. So we are left with the final mafia in these two players:

mykonian
Toon Fighter

Conclusion: We lynch the two over the next two days, starting with toon.

Vote: Toon Fighter

This is the most analytical logic we can follow.

I feel like Echo wouldn't have gone for a bus on mykonian Day 2, considering BabyBlue had already hit the graveyard.

And, even though it clears me, I don't trust your logic that clears myself and wierd. We can't bank on the fact that Baby would call out both of her partners if they were on the wagon . . . she could have had any number of reasons for only calling out Echo, or she could have had no reason at all.

BTW BabyBlue was YamiChan and is banned <3

Called it. #Winning

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This game has moved very quickly, and I feel like I haven't really gotten the chance to get much of a say in. I believe both of the investigative claims, and I don't see wierdalexv fake claiming a Two-Shot Vigilante.

I'm not sure how comfortable, mainly because of who is leading the charge. BabyBlue would have been a really easy bus target Day 1 for anyone, and her incriminating Echo subsequently put him in the same category. I could

easily

see Parama as the third scum realizing he needed to bus his two partners, and then just trying to ride that town cred to the end.

VOTE: Parama

[Parama]

I can cite some 5 games where the same argument was made.
Can't people just accept the fact that I can in fact scumhunt?
By the way Baby made it obvious that she can't bus :V

[FightingShadow]

What does Baby's inability to bus have to do with what I posted?

My argument revolves around your recognizing that there was no way Baby would survive, and promptly powerbussing her, not her trying to bus anyone?

[Parama]

I don't give a damn about what you posted. Because it's false. The point is... what does it mean if Baby can't bus?
Also, you're not looking into the posts themselves but generalizing. Why does my push on Baby look like a bus, if at all?

[MattP]

PARAMA IS TOWN BECAUSE OF BABYBLUE'S OUTING OF ECHO WHEN PARAMA WAS ON THE SAME WAGON.

LETS GET THIS FUCKING STRAIGHT.

WE ARE ONLY LYNCHING TOON OR MYKO TODAY.

IF ANYONE LEADS ANY OTHER WAGON THEY WILL BE TAGGED A VI BY ME FOR THE REST OF MY PLAY ON THIS FORUM.

SERIOUSLY DONT BE AN IDIOT. JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO STUBBORN TO AGREE THAT MY REASONING MAKES PERFECT SENSE BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU ARE FOLLOWING GOD'S GIVEN AGENDA TO YOU AS SOME HIGHER BEING DOES NOT MAKE YOU RIGHT, IT MAKES YOU WRONG.

SO STFU AND VOTE TOON.

THAT IS ALL.

[Gregory]

10-3 with a GF, Framer on scum side and Tracker, GS, Cop and 2-shot Vig on town side. Does that seems rational to anyone?
ah well, I guess it doesnt matter much. SH and I will keep clearing out town and we win anyway.

toon fighter

[mykonian]

10-3 with a GF, Framer on scum side and Tracker, GS, Cop and 2-shot Vig on town side. Does that seems rational to anyone?
ah well, I guess it doesnt matter much. SH and I will keep clearing out town and we win anyway.

toon fighter

Not really, it's townsided imo. But we'll know soon enough after a couple of nightkills. They aren't going to kill weird, because after tonights shot, he has no action anymore. So scum will have to kill the other investigative roles in the next two nights. If they don't, they are giving investigations away which confirm people. Matt and gregory are confirmed inno's, as is Weird.

SH : cop
Greg : tracker (confirmed inno by scumhunter)
Myk: didnt move first night (prob town)
Mattp: didnt move second night (confirmed inno by gregory)
Wierd: null (confirmed inno because he shot people and people with guns scare me)
Parama: Not mafia
Toon fighter: possible scum
Fighting shadow: had him high on my scumlist

As long as weird claims who he is going to kill tonight (so people don't track/cop w/ever the killed player), tomorrow more then half of the town is confirmed, which means the end of the game.

weird, could you do that for me?

I don't really believe parama is scum. He has such an easy time getting a wagon on someone, he would have definately killed SH and then I would have been prime suspect, right? parama would have finished that for sure. Just an opinion, dont know how ballsy parama is in his other games. It's just a feeling I'm getting from him.

arrogant is the word I'd use.

[Toon Fighter]

Well, I'll just

Claim: Townie

I don't think MattP is 100% correct. BabyBlue could have outed one other scum, but keep quiet about the other. Besides, the one she seemed to have outed (Greg) is pretty much confirmed town by this point. We can't be 100% sure that the remaining scum wasn't in her wagon.

Myk could still be the last scum, with the kill made by Echo, he'd still be cleared by the tracker. I'm not sure about this, though, I'd need to reread D1 and D2 to see the interactions between the known scums.

Parama is still a suspect to me, he just seems to me the kind of person that would bus like that. I've been scum with him once, and he did a similar play (only that time, it was with me as the bussed scum). I could definitely see him doing the first bus, realizing Echo had to be the second lynch, and going for him after that, riding the town cred to the win.

weird as the vig seems believable enough. His clues are there, and I don't think he'd fakeclaim at this point. But, this gives town way to much power. If the setup really is 10-3, I can't imagine what the last scum PR is to counter a Cop, a Gunsmith, a Tracker AND a 2-shot vig.

That is all for now. Go Town!

[Gregory]

unvote

I'd like to know first what is going to happen tonight. I dont wanna investigate anyone who is allready being investigated or being killed by wierd.

[mykonian]

unvote

I'd like to know first what is going to happen tonight. I dont wanna investigate anyone who is allready being investigated or being killed by wierd.

I know the solution

[Gregory]

unvote

I'd like to know first what is going to happen tonight. I dont wanna investigate anyone who is allready being investigated or being killed by wierd.

I know the solution

which is?

[mykonian]

and I'd say you'd investigate scum then as well. And think a little. Which person won't get shot and won't get investigated.

[Parama]

Toon has NO CLUE how I play scum. I don't just decide lollet'sbustwoplayersonthefirsttwodaysandthenhopetododgealynchuntillylo

[Scumhunter]

I still feel the combination of a GS, Cop, Tracker + 2-shot vig is a lot of town power. Although GS does get 2 false positives, as could cop. I feel given the relative weakness of other town power, it wouldn't surprise me at all if mafia has a ninja or something.

I guess if we've learned anything so far with the scum flips, its that reports aren't all that valuable is this setup.

I don't think Parama/weird/MattP are scum. ALthough I'm halfway tempted to lynch Parama just because I don't want to lose to him if he's scum here.

[wierdalexv]

As long as weird claims who he is going to kill tonight (so people don't track/cop w/ever the killed player), tomorrow more then half of the town is confirmed, which means the end of the game. weird, could you do that for me?

First I need to figure out the investigation plans.

Also,

Mod: Could a scum powerrole perform both a factional kill and an extra ability, if there was another member of their faction alive?

^If the above answer is no, Myko is town (unless the third scum is a PR too..).

No.

[Toon Fighter]

That still doesn't clear Myko. Echo could have killed and not framed

[Toon Fighter]

Just to sum up the results and claims so far:

wierdalexv - claimed 2-shot vig, unchecked
Parama - unclaimed, unchecked
Scumhunter - claimed cop, checked as "Having a Gun" by SV
Gregory - claimed tracker, checked as innocent by scumhunter
mykonian - unclaimed, tracked N1 visiting no one by Greg
FightingShadow - unclaimed, unchecked
MattP - unclaimed, tracked N2 visiting no one by Greg
Toon Fighter - claimed townie

[wierdalexv]

But why kill and not frame, when somebody else can do the killing anyways? It doesn't completely clear him, but I'd say he's likely town. Unless scum has three PRs, of course.

[Toon Fighter]

Just to sum up the results and claims so far:

wierdalexv - claimed 2-shot vig, unchecked
Parama - unclaimed, unchecked
Scumhunter - claimed cop, checked as "Having a Gun" by SV
Gregory - claimed tracker, checked as innocent by scumhunter
mykonian - unclaimed, tracked N1 visiting no one by Greg
FightingShadow - unclaimed, unchecked
MattP - unclaimed, tracked N2 visiting no one by Greg
Toon Fighter - claimed townie

Assuming all claims and results are true, that leaves us with:

Parama - unclaimed, unchecked
FightingShadow - unclaimed, unchecked
mykonian - unclaimed, tracked N1 visiting no one by Greg
Toon Fighter - claimed townie

I know I'm not guilty, so we have Parama, FightingShadow and myk. I'll read on them again and try to see which one is scummiest